Rejoinder to Bristows Reply, Part 2 · Book 7 · Chapter 3
CAP. III.
Sand.
That Christes body is receaued by mouth, & not by faith onelyonly.
Iew.
The body of Christ is to be eaten by faith only, and none otherwise.
Sand.
You are the mainteiner of a blasphemous heresie, and affirme the same which the Arrians did.
Fulk.
Master Iewel is more free from Arrianisme, then you from Eutychianisme.
Sand.
Christ saide after bread taken, &c. Take, eate, this is my body, but he spake of eating by mouth, and not by faith alone, and the thing eaten to bee his owne body: therefore his body is not eaten by faith only, but by mouth also.
Fulke.
That which was to be eaten with mouth, was breade in nature, and his body in mystery, which body was to be eaten by faith, and not by mouth, as the bread was to bee eaten by mouth and not by faith.
Sander.
All that was eaten by mouth or by faith, at Christes supper, came from Christ: but all that he is writen to hauehave giuen, came from his handes: therefore either his body was not eaten by faith at all, or his bodye came then from his owne handes. Answere the Gospell, master Iewel, or els blaspheme no more.
Fulke.
I denie your minor. For it is writen: The spirite it is, that giueth life, the flesh profiteth nothing. Ioh. 6. Life, remission or sinnes, participation of his death &c. were giuen, but not all, nor at all, by his handes, but by his diuine spirit.
Sander
The fathers teach, that we eate Christes body by our mouthes, and not dy faith onelyonly.
Fulke.
They teach, we eate the Sacrament, which is so called, and which after a certaine manner is the body of Christ, but not absolutely.
Sander.
S. Cyprian saith of euill men. Ser. de lap. 5. Plus modo, they sinne now more against our Lord, with their handes and mouth, then when they denied our Lord.
Fulke.
They sinne against our Lord in receiuing the Sacrament vnworthily, more then in denying, because denying was of weakenes, this other of hypocrisie.
Sander.
Cyprian saith, the sinne is inuading and doing violence to our Lordes body and bloud.
Fulke.
That is to the Sacrament thereof, for our Lords body is impassible.
Sander.
Chrysostom witnesseth, vsus to take in our handes, in our mouthes, to touch, to eate, to receiue into vsus Christes flesh: is all this done by faith onelyonly?
Fulke.
Chrysostom witnesseth we see, All the people to be made red, with the bloud of Christ. Is that otherwise then by faith? Desacerd. lib. 3. Hee saieth Christ i… broken in the Sacramēt, which he was not on the crosse. Is that done really? in 1. Cor. Hom. 24.
Sander.
Pope Leo writeth thus of the matter, ye ought so to communicate, that ye doubt nothing, &c.
Fulke.
Pope Leo is answered lib. 5. Cap. 8.
Sander.
Cyril against the Arrian lib. 10. Cap. 13. sheweth vsus to eate Christ corporally.
Fulke.
You slander Cyril, he saith the vertue of the mysticall blessing, maketh Christ to dwel in vsus corporally, by participation of the flesh of Christ, & not by faith and louelove onelyonly.
Iewel.
Christes body is meat of the mind, not of the belly, saith S. Cyprian.
Sander.
I find no such wordes in Cyprian, but whosoeuer spake them, it will follow, that the meat he speaketh of, is not materiall bread.
Fulke.
If you finde not the wordes in Cyprian, you may finde them in Gregory, who by error of the printer, is called Cyprian, and you may finde the sense in Cyprian: wee sharpen not our teeth, nor prepare our belly, but with syncere faith, we breake the holy bread. You find in ser. de coena Dom. That the body of Christ is not material bread, we agree with you, and euer did.
Iewel.
Beleeue and thou hast eaten, saith S. Augustine of Christes blessed body.
Sander.
These words are not offacramental eating, but of spirituall eating.
Fulke.
He saith, vt quid paras dentes &▪ ventrem? to what end doest thou prepare thy teeth and belly? beleeue and thou hast eaten. Therefore he sheweth, that Christ is not receiued by mouth and belly, but by faith onelyonly.
Iewel.
It is better to vse the worde figure, than the wordes really, corporally.
Sander.
It is better to vse the wordes body, bloud, flesh, which are the wordes of scripture, than the worde Figure, which is vsed of the fathers only.
Fulk.
Master Iewel compareth not the worde figure, with the wordes of scripture, but with the wordes really, corporally, vsed neither in scripture, nor in the fathers.