Rejoinder to Bristows Reply, Part 2 · Book 7 · Chapter 2
CAP. II.
Sand.
That the supper of Christ is a naked and bare figure according to the doctrine of the Sacramentaries.
Fulk.
Sander wil acknowledge nothing in the sacrament, whatsoeuer we teach, protest, and beleeue, excepte we acknowledge his real presence, but a bare figure.
Sand.
S. Hilarie, and S. Cyrill teach, that the nature of signes or seales is such, as setteth forth y• whole forme of the kinde of thing, printed in them and hauehave no lesse in them, then those things whence they are sealed.
Fulk.
Such a seale we beleeue the Lords supper to be of Christes death and our redemption.
Iew.
He must mount on high, saith Chrysostome whoso will reach to that body.
San.
Accedere is to come to, & not to reach He spake of comming to the visible table.
Fulk.
He spake of cōming to the visible table, so as we might attaine to ye body of Christ, which is in heauen, & for yt cause he said, we must be eagles in this life. Chrys. in 1. Cor. Ho. 24.
Sand.
He saith, Ipsa mensa, The very table is our saluation, & life. And again: This mysterie maketh yt while… we be in this life, earth may be heauen to vsus.
Fulk.
As earth is heauen to vsus, & the table saluation, so is the sacrament the body of Christ.
Iew.
Send vp thy faith (saith Augu.) & thou hast taken him.
Sand.
The place is abused. See lib. 2. cap. 29.
Fulk.
And see the answere there.
Iew.
The bread yt we receiue wt our bodily mouthes, is an eathly thing, and therefore a figure, as the water in baptisme.
Sand.
The water in baptisme is no figure, but ye figure is ye word cōming to the water. As the water in baptisme is no figure, when ye words are absent, so bread could not be a figure any longer, when the words are fully past.
Fulk
Maister Iewel speaketh of ye water wherevnto ye word is come, which as it remaineth no sacrament, after the vse of baptisme, no more doth ye bread out of the vse of receiuing. That consecration consisteth in the onelyonly words, This is my body, it is false: For Christes wordes are more, Take, eate, &c.
Iew.
The body of Christ is y• thing it selfe, & no figure.
Sand.
The body of Christ vnderunder ye forme of bread, is it self both ye thing, & also a figure of y• mystical vnity of the Church. So S. Hilary teacheth. The natural propertie by a sacrament, is a sacrament of perfect vnitie. See libr. 5. Chap. 5.
Fulk.
The natural propertie is not the personal substance, or proper nature of Christ. See ye answer as aboue.
Iew.
In respect of the body, we hauehave no regarde to the figure, wherevnto S. Bernarde alluding saith: The sealing ring is nothing worth: it is the inheritance I sought for.
Sand.
What a desperate custome is it for you, to alleadge alwaies ye fathers of the last 900. yeres, whom you hauehave alreadie condemned?
Fulk.
What a diuelish custome is it for you, alwaies to lie and slaunder?
Sand.
S. Bernard saith, the bodie and blood it selfe to bee the signe: Vt securi suis &c. That you may bee without feare, you hauehave the inuestiture of our Lordes sacrament, his precious bodie and bloode.
Fulk.
You falsifie Bernards wordes in translation, and peruert his meaning: Vt securi suis sacramenti dominici corporis & sanguinis preciosi inuestituram habetis. That you may bee without feare, you hauehave the inuestitute of the sacrament of the body of our Lorde, and of his precious bloode. The sacrament is the inuestiture as the ring, and not the bodie of Christ. If the bodie of Christe were the ring of the inuestiture, Bernard woulde not hauehave saide, the ring is nothing worth. Yet the sacrament as a seale putteth vsus in assurance of the inheritance, and not bate bread, as Sander bableth.