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Childrens Talk · Charles Hoole

Childrens Talk, Colloquy 17 – Colloquy 18

Col. 17. Theodore an old man, and Venantius a ſchollar.Col. 17. Theodorus ſenex, & Venantius discipulus.
T.Have you a pen and inke child?Habes the cam pennáriam ſili?
V.Yes ſir. If you wil have any thing I wil furniſh you.Euam dómine. Si quid vis ſuppeditábo.
T.I would write two or three words.5Duo verba volo exarare.
V.Yea, write ten if you wilVel decem.
T.Stand ſtill whileſt I write,Subſiſte tantiſper dum ſcribo.
V.I will goe no whither write as much as you will.Nuſquam digrédiar, ſcribe, quantum vis prolixè.
T.Tak your pen and ink again, child, I have ſet down what I had a minde to ſet down. I thanke you.Recipe, fili, calamárium tuum, notavi quae volui. Habetur tibi gratin.
V.Why ſhould you thanke me? ſhould an old mā thanke a boy eſpecially for no ſervice?15Quid mihi, gratiam habeas? ſenex adoleſcentulo praeſertim ob nullum officium?
T.Your manuerly ſaying ſets me on, child, ſo that I have a mind to talk with you a litle, if you be content.20Honeſt a oratio tua, mi fili, …, ut tecum colloqui velim paulifper, ſi ánnuis.
VI am not unwilling indeed to talke with you Sir: but I wonder what the matter is that you would ſpeak with me.Non abnuo quidem tecum loqui, domine: ſed quid ſit miror, quod mecum loqui velis.
T.I would firſt know of you, who is your father and mother.5Scire ex te primum volo, qui ſint parentes tui.
V.They dwell not here, & therefore I ſhould name them to you but in vainNon hîc habitant, proinde fruſtra eos nóminem tibi.
T.No? where then?Non? ubi igitur?
V.At Wert.30Guertë.
TThat is a place altogether unknown to me.Iſte locus perquàm ignotus mihi.
V.I believe you Sir. It is not ſo much frequented as this.Credo domine. Non eſt tam céleber, quàm hic eſt.
T.Is that, that Wert, a good town or a countrey-village?35Oppidum eſt, an pagus Guerteum iſtud?
V.A good town, indeed, & that very populous. It is commonly called Wert.Oppidum ſarè, & quidem populoſiſſimum. Vulgò vocátur Wert.
T.Now I know it: There is great ſtore of cloathing in that place.40Nunc ſcio: magnum exercetur lanificium in eo loco.
V.Now you hit it.Jam tenes.
T.I thaught you had been a ſcholar.Scholaſticum te eſse credidi.
V.Indeed I am a ſcholar45Sum equidem ſcholaſticus.
T.How fals it out then, that you come hither to learn.Quid igitur áccidit, ut huc ſtudendi cauſâ advenias?
V.I do not learn here. but in my own countrey. Now I came hither for my minds ſake with my father to the Mart.50Non hic ſtudeo ſed in patriâ. Nunc huc animi cauſâ cum patre profectus ſum ad mercátum
T.Now have you brought me into my way againe.Nunc me redux ſti in viam.
V.By whom then art thou taught?A quo igitur es inſtitútus?
T.By the ſchoole-maſters of that place where I was born.55A ludimagiſtris iſtius loci ubi natus ſum.
V.What like maſters have you there?Cujuſmodi Praeceptores habes illic?
T.The one leane, the other fat.Alterum macrum, ping…m alterum.
V.Are they batchelours or married men?60Caelibes ſunt an mariti?
T.Both married men.Ambo mariti.
V.Are they men of great learning, i e. great ſcholars?Magnâ ſunt eruditione?
T.I doe not know truly. I think indifferent.65Neſcio herclè. Tolerábili opìnor.
T.How many ſchollars have they?Quot diſcipulos habent?
T.A great company indeedMagnum ſané gregem.
V.What do they teach youQuid docent vos?
T.Truly that which we do not know It is a fond anſwer ſir, but I hope you will pardon it.70Herclè quod neſcimus. Ridicula eſt reſponſio, Domine, ſed ignoſcenda.
T.I like it well enough. Is any of your ſchool fellowes a very good ſchollar?placet. Ecquis inter condiſcipulos tuos eſt inſignitèr doctus?
V.Herein I am not able to anſwer you.75Hic nihil habeo quod reſpondeam.
T.Can they ſay any thing what one will in Latine?Poſſunt quidvis Latinè dicere?
V.I thinke ſo. I am ſure they prattle every day in Latine.Opinor, certè garrium aſſidue Latinè.
T.What doe you learn?Tu quid diſcis?
V.The Grammer rules.80Grammátices paecepta.
T.Have you done any good at your learning?Ecquid operae pretium feciſti in literis?
V.I am not able to judge of my learning.Ego meam eruditionem non poſſum aeſtimáre.
T.Shall I make tryall of you?85Licet periculum tui facere?
V.I doe not ſay nay. If you will you may.Non recuſo. Si libet, licet.
T.Can you ſay any verſe by heart?Ecquem verſiculum tenes memoriter?
V.A great many.90Permultos.
T.Reapeate ſome one.Proſer unum quémpiam.
V.To pleaſe great men deſérves no little praiſe.Princibus placuiſſe viris, non ultima laus eſt.
T.Conſtrue it,Cóllige conſtructionem.
V.It is not the laſt praiſe, to pleaſe chief men.95Non eſt ultima laus, Placuiſſe principibus viris.
T.What meaneth that ſentence?Quid ea oratie ſibi vult?It is not the laſt praiſe.Non eſt ultima laus.
V.That it is exceeding great praiſe; expreſſed by the contrary, like as we ſay a boy is not unlearned, whom we would ſay is learned.100Quòd ſit laus eximia; per contrárium expreſſa, ſicut dicimus, pú…rum quempiam non eſſe indectum, quem doctum volumus dicere.
T.What ſignifieth the laſt?Ultimum quid ſignificat?
V.That which is laſt in order, but here, as oft other-where it is put for the leaſt, or very little, or the loweſt, as the firſt is put for the chief & moſt excellent110Quod eſt ordine poſtremum, verùm hic, ut & aliás ſaepe pro minimo aut exiguo, aut inſimo ponitur, quemádmodum primus pônitur pro ſummo & eximio.
T.What part of ſpeech is Ultima?115Quae Pars orationis eſt Ultima?
V.My maſter reckoned it amongſt the Nounes ordinal. For he is not wont to diſpute curiouſly about ſuch matters.120Meus magiſter retulit inter nómina ordinália. Nam de tálibus rebus non ſoles anixè diſputáre.
T.And he had rather have ſuch ſchollars as can tell how to uſe words then how to wrangle about them.Et ipſe diſcipulos habére mavult, qui ſciant vocibus ut, quám qui de illis degladiári noverint.
V.Whence is the infinitive Mood, placuiſſe governed, or upon what doth it depend?125Infinitum placuiſſe unde regitur, aut á quo pendet.
T.I thinke this may bee ſpoken two ways: firſt that it dependeth on the Verb eſt, ſo that an Accuſative caſe may be underſtood; as the old faſhion is for Verbs to have an accuſative caſe after them with an Infinitive mood, as this may be the conſtruction: It is not the laſt praiſe (underſtand) for a man to pleaſ great men: that it may be like this ſpeech * It is fit for a ſchollar to love his maſter. Again it may be ſaid that the Infinitive mood placuiſſe is put inſtead of a nominative caſe, as it is for the moſt part; that it may be like this ſpeech. To love is a moſt hurtfull thing; or this, to play at dice is a moſt hurtfull thing.130 135Duplicit'r hoc poſſe dici exiſtimo: Primùm, quòd pendeat á verbo eſt, ut ſubaudiatur Accuſativus, ſicut mos eſt verb is priſtinus accuſativum poſt ſe régere cum infinito; ut ſit iſta conſtructio: Non eſt ultima laus (ſubaudi) hominem placuiſſe vitis principibus: ut ſit ſimilis huic orationi.140 145 150* Eſt aequum diſcipulum amare praeceptorem. Deinde, poteſt dici, quòd infinitum placuiſſe ponátur vice Nominativi, ſi cut plerun que ut ſit, huic orationi ſimilis, A máre eſt res damnoſiſſima; vel huic. Ludere álcâ non eſt honeſtum.
T.What meaneth chiefe men?Quid ſibi vult principibus viris?
V.By chiefe men I think are meant men that are mightie, Noble, rich and the like, that chiefe may be put here inſtead of a noune Adjective, as it is uſed in Lucius Florus, the chief people.155Per principes viros puto ſignificari viros praepotentes, nòbiles, divites, & similes: ut princeps hîc ponátur loco nominis Adjectior, ſicut apud Lucium Florum uſurpatur Princeps pópulus.Nor is that any ſtrange thing; For Terence alſo ſaid an old Merchant. And an old wife as cunning as a fox is to be found in Eraſmus.160Nec id novum eſt; Nam & ſenex mereator dixit Terentius.Anus vulpes extat apud Eraſmum:
T.What kinde of verſe is this?165Cujuſmodi verſic ulus eſt iſte?
V.An Heroick HexameterHeroicus Hexameter.
T.Whereof doth it conſiſt?Ʋnae conſtat ille?
V.In the firſt four feet of a Spondie, & Dactyle indifferently: in the fift of a dactyle onelyonly; in the ſixt of a Spondie or Trochie.170In quatuor primis pedibus indifferenter ex Dáctylo, vel Spondaeo: in quinto è ſolo Dáctylo; ïn ſexto, Spondaeo: vel Trochaeo.
T.How many ſylables hath a Dactile foot?175Dáctylus quot ſyllabas récipit?
V.Three.Ternas.
T.Of what ſort?Cujuſmodi?
V.The firſt long, and the latter two ſhort.Primam longam, duas poſteriores breves.
T.Do your maſters teach you theſe things?180Haeccine docent vos magiſtriveſtri?
V.I beſeech you, from whence elſe ſhould I learn them?Obſecro, unde ego alioqui háuſerim?
T.He muſt needs be a rich man.185Oportet illum eſſe virum opulentum.
V.How ſo?Qui?
T.Becauſ they get a great deal of money, that teach boyes ſo.Quia magnum quaeſtum faciunt, qui ſic erudiunt adoleſcentes.
V.But our maſter hath much adoe to live.190At noſter vix ſeſe á penuria tuétur.
T.Is he ſo poore?Ita pauper eſt?
V.Verily he is not rich.Certè non eſt opuléntus.
T.Truely, he deſerves a better fortune.195Dignus hercle meliore fortúnâ.
V.So he doth indeed: but he cannot make fortune his friend.Ita eſt quidem: ſed non peteſt fortunae litáre.
T.How doth he and the citizens agree?Quomodo civibus & ipſi convenit?
V.Well, I thinke.Opinor bene.
T.They all ſtrive to doe him any kindneſſe.200Favent illi certátim omnes.
V.This I am ſure on.Hoc ſcio.
T.Doe they give him nothing?Nihil dant?
V.He is no asker.Non eſt petax.
T.Hee doth ſo much the more deſerve their baunty.205Hócmagis promerétur munificentiam.
V.Your common-wealths are able, but ours are not ſo.Veſtrae Reſpúblicae potentes ſunt, at noſtrae non item.
T.What ones are your ſchool-fellowes?Quales ſunt tui condiſcipuli?
V.Good and diligent at their bookes.210Boni ac studióſt.
T.Doe they love you?Amant hi te?
V.As a brother.Tanquam fratrem.
T.Do you love your maſter?Ecquid praeceptorem tuum amas?
V.Paſſing well.215Mirificé.
T.You do well. But can you tell me readily, why you love him.Honeſtè facis. At verò potes mihi expedire, cur ames?
V.Firſt, becauſe he is a good ſchollar.Primùm, quod ſit vir doctus.
T.He is worthily beloved of all good men for his learning.220Ob eruditiónem amátur méritò ab omnibus bonis.
V.And then becauſe he is ſo diligent in teaching us.Delnde, quod in docendis nobis tam diligens ſit.
T.In this reſpect …e owe him a great deale of honour and love too.225Hoc nomine vos illi potiſſimum debetis honórem pariter & amórem.
V.And alſo becauſe hee chides no body but gently.Tum quód néminem niſi clementér objúrget.
T.Truly he deſerves to be a Tutor to a Prince.230Dignus herclè, qui regum liberos dóceat.
V.Nor doth he ever beate any unleſſe he be admoniſhed a fore.Necunquam caedit quenquam niſi admónitum antcà.
T.He is a good man, as far as I can beare.235Vir bonus eſt, quantum audio.
V.Beſides all this. He doth ſo provoke all to follow their books, and to live well, that a Mother cannot more kindly win her child to ſuck or eat.240Ad haec univerſos ſic próvocat ad literárum ſtudium & honeſtatem, ut non poſſit mater benigniùs provocare ſuum infantem ad ſugendum, aut edendum.
T.He muſt needs be a naughty boy that lovs not ſuch a maſter.Júvenis ſit improbus, qui praeceptorem talem non amer.
V.Therefore I ſaid I did love him, leſt I ſhould be thought a naughty boy.245Ergò me dixi amare, njuvenis cenſear improbus.
T.I have asked you my childe, what I had a minde to, now I let you go.255Percontátus ſum, fili, quae volui. Nunc te dimitio.
V.Fare you well, Sir.Bene vale, Domine.
T.Farewell heartily.Vale faeliciter.And when you come to your maſter, comend me kindly to him.Et praeceptorem tuum meo nomine fac officioſe ſalutes adveniens,
V.I will doe it indeed with all my heart.260Faciam ac lubens quidem.
Col. 18 Arnold the maſter, Bernard the ſcholar.Col. 18. Arnoldus praeceptor, Bernardus diſcipulus.
A.Is there any among you that hath a good mind to play?Ecquis inter vos eſt ludendi cúpidus?
B.We all of us indeed deſire that.Ʋniverſi herclé id cúpimus.
A.What will you give me if I grant you leave to play?5Quid dābitis mihi ſi vobis ſáciam ludendi copiam.
B.We will all love you moſt dearly.Omnes amábimus te plurimum.
A.In what will you ſhew that love.Quâ in re declarábitis iſtum amórem;
B.We will conſtantly obey your commands.10Obtemperábimustuis praeceplis uſque.We will never diſpleaſe you; we will ply our books as faſt as we canNunquam offendémus: ſummam operam impendémus in ſtudendo.
A.What puniſhment ſhal I inſtict upon you, in caſe you deceive me?Si fefelléritis, quam poenam irrogábo?
B.Impoſe what puniſhment you will, or keepe us here perpetually hereafter bound in this priſon, like a company of melefactors.20Quamvis p…nam ir…og… to, aut nos …îc perpetu… deinceps, tanquam maleficos, de…inéto vinc…o… in h…c cárcere.
A.I yeild to what you ſay, I like the motion.Sententiae veſt …ae accédo Place… conditio.
B.Play al; but ſo as to behave your ſelvs civi…y.25Ludi…e univerſis; ſed honeſtè.