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T. C. page 38. He that readeth his grace his answer, and M. Cartwrights reply, shall see which is the better learned of the two. So he shall indeed T. C. and he were very simple which could not discerne that; And there is so much answered already as thou saist, that his grace dare answer no more for shame. And T. C. you your selves grant Thomas Cartwright to bee learned, so did I neuer thinke Iohn Whitgift to be, what comparison can you make betweene them? But Thomas Cartwright, shall I say that thou madest this booke against me, because T. C. is set to it, well take heed of it, if J find it to be thy doing▪ J will so besoop thee, as thon never bangedst Iohn Whitgift better in thy life. I see heere that they have quarrelled with thee Water Traverse, Iohn Penri, Thomas Sparke, Giles Wiggington, Master Davison, &c. Nay it is no matter, you are een well served, this will teach you I trow to become my Chaplaines, For if you were my Chaplaines once, I trow Iohn Whitgift, nor any of his, durst not once say blacke to your eyes, And if I had thy learning Thomas Cartwright, I would m…ke them all to smoak. But though I were as very a… A…ehead as Iohn Cat…rcap is, yet I could deale well enough with Clergie men: yea with old Wink…n de word, D. Prime himselfe: And ile bepistle you D. Prime, when I am at more le…sure, though indeed J tell you true, that as yet J do… disdame to deale with a contemptible trencher Chaplaine, such as you D. Banckcroft, and Chaplain D…port are. But ile be with you all three to bring one day, you shall never scape my fingers, if I take you but once in hand. You see how I have dealt with Deane Iohn, your entertainment shall be alike. But Thomas Cartwright, thou art T. C. so is Tom Cooper too. The distinction then betweene you both, shall be this; he shall be profane T. C. because he calleth Christ Iesus, by whom the government by Pastors, Doctors, Elders, and Deacons was commanded to be he knowes not whom: and thou shalt bee simple T. C.
Concerning Mistresse Lawson profane T. C. is it not lawfull for her to goe to Lambeth by water, to accompanyQui pergit quod vult dicere quae non vult audiet. a Preachers wife, going also (as commonly godly matrons in London doe) with her man: No saith T. C. I doe not like this in women: Tush man, Thomas Lawson is not Thomas Cooper, hee hath no such cause to doubt of Dame Lawsons going without her husband, as the Bishop of Winchester hath had of Dame Coopers gadding. But more worke for Cooper, will say more for Mistresse Lawson.
From whomsoever Charde had his protection, his Face is glad of it, for otherwise he knoweth not how to get a Printer, for the established government, because the books will not sell.
Touching the Premunire, let the Libeller and his, doeT. C. page 40. what he dare. Why brethren, what wisedome is this in you to dare your betters? doe you not know that I can send you my mind by a Pistle, and then prove you to bee petty Popes, and Enemies to the State: And how can you mend your selves? It is certaine you are in a premunire: If his Majesty will give me leave to have the Law, J will be bound to bring 10 000 pounds into his Coffers upon that bargaine. And therefore soolish men, dare your better… no more. And heare I pray thee marke how I have made the Bishops to pull in their Hornes. For whereas in this place they had printed the word dare, they bethought themselves, that they had to deale with my worship, which am favoured at the Court, and being afraid of me, they pasted the word can vponupon the word dare, and so where before they bad me and mine doe what we durst. now they bid vsus doe what we can. hoping thereby to have a friend in a corner, who would not suffer us to doe what we ought and durst: and so our ability should not be according unto their demerit. Marke now the Bishops of the Divell, whither you be not afraid of mee: I will see you jolled with the premunire one day.
The like thing you shall find in the 135 page. For there having said, that they will not deny the discipline to have beene in the Apostles time, they have now pasted there upon that, That is not yet proved. So that although their Consciences do tell them, that the discipline was then, yet they will beare the world in hand, that that is not yet proved. Here you see that if this patch T. C. had not used two patches to cover his patchery, the Bishops would have accounted him to be as very a patch as Deane Iohn.
A, but these knave Puritans are more unmannerly before his grace, then the Recusants are, and therefore the Recusants have more favour. I cannot blame them▪ for wee ought to have no Popes. The Papists like the Archiepisc… pall Pall, and therefore reverenceth a petty Pope thsrein. And though the Recusant come not to hence the sermons, yet he is an informer very often, upon other mens information.
His grace denyeth that ever he heard of any such matter, as that the Iesuit should say, he wouid become a brave Cardinall, if Popery should come againe. I know T. C. that long since he is past shame, and a notorious Lyer, otherwise how durst he deny this, seeing Cliffe an honest and a godly Cobler, dwelling at Battle bridge, did justifie this before his grace his teeth, yea and will justifie thepage 41. same againe if he be called. So will Atkinson too: Send for them if he dare; Ministers of the Gospell ought to bee page 46.called Priests, saith his grace, what say you oy that? Thenpage 44. good sir Iohn O Cant. when wilt thou say Mas…e at our house? His grace is also perswaded, that there ought to be a Lordly spueriority among Ministers. So was Iudas perswaded to sell his Master; if you would have these things proved, profane T. C. referreth you to his grace his answer unto simple T. C. and to Doctor Bridges▪ That is, if you would learne any honesty, you must goe to the stewes, or if you would have a good favour, you must goe to the sincke for it. Why thou vnsavourly snu…fe, dost tow thinke that men know not D. Bridges and Iohn Whitgift. Yea but his grace also firmely beleeveth, that Christ in soule descended into Hell. This is the third point of his Catholike pe…swasion: but tell him from me, that he shall never bee saved by this beliefe, and my finger in his mouth. Let him tell what our Saviour Christ should doe, if hee did not harrow Hell. Where thou sayest Mr. …oung had onelyonly the dealing with Thakwel the Popish Printer, without his graces privity, thou lyest in thy throat: M. Young himselfe brought him to his grace, who ordered the matter as it is set downe in my Pistle. But did not I say truly of thee, that thou canst cog, face and lye, as fast as a dog can trot, and that thou hast a right seasoned wainscoate face of ti nowne, chwarnt tee, ti vorehead zaze hard as horne.
Concerning Waldegrave, its no matter how you deale with him, heez a foolish fellow, to suffer you to spoyle his presse and letters, an a had bin my worships Printer, ide a kept him from your clouches. And yet it is pitty to belye the Divell: and therefore you shall not belye him and goe sco…free. As for the presse that Waldegrave sold, hee did is by order, viz. He sold it to an allowed Printer, I. C. one his owne company, with the knowledge of his Warden, Henry Denham, &c. And call you this favour, in releasing him after long imprisonment? But I will give you a president of great favour indeed, wherein you may see what an ungratefull fellow Waldegrave is to his grace, who hath bin so good unto him frō time to time. There being a controve…e betweene another Printer and Waldegrave (all matters of Printing being committed by the Lords of the Counsell to his grace) Waldegrave made one of his Company his friend (who could do much with his grace) to deale for him, who brake the matter to his worship, being at Croydon in his Orchard; so soone as the party named Waldegrave, he sweetely answered him, saying: if i… had bin any of the company save him, he would have granted the suite, but in no case to Waldegrave. Well Waldegrave, obtained the K. H, Lord Treasurers Letter in his behalfe to his grace, who when he had read it, said, J will answer my Lord Treasurer, with that Waldegrave intreated for his favourable Letter to the Wardens of his Company, which in the end through D. Coosins hee obtained (though late) yet went home at night, thinking to deliver it in the Morning: but before he was ready, the Wardens were with him, and rested him with a Pursivant upon his graces Commandement, Waldegrave telling them there was a letter from his grace, which hee receiued late the last night at Croydon: who answered, they knew it well enough, but this is his pleasure now, so they carryed Waldegrave to prison, and in this his Grace was so good unto him, as to helpe him with an hundred marks over the shoulders. If this be your favour, God keepe mee from you, ka. M. Marprelate. Bishops have justly received according to their deserts, having found greater favour at my Worships hands then ever they deserved, being notorious, disobedient and godlesse persons, unthrifty spenders and consumers of the fruits, not of their owne labors, (as you say Waldegrave was) but of the possessions of the Church, persons that have violated their faith to God, his Church, his Majesty, and this whole Kingdome, and wittingly bring us all without the great mercy of God to our undoing, so that ou… wives, children & servants have cause to curse all L. Bp. Lo T. C. you see that I have a good gift in imitation, and me thinkes I have brought your words into a marvailous good sence, where as before in the cause of Waldegrve, they were illfavouredly wrested: and as for his wife and children, they have just cause to curse Iohn of London and Iohn of Canterbury, for their tyrannizing over him: by imprisoning and spoiling his goods, and vexing his poore wife and children, with continuall rifeling his house with their Pursivants, who in November last, violently rusht into his house, breaking through the maine wall thereof after midnight, taking away his goods, for some of the Pursivants sold his bookes vp and downe the streets, to Watchmen and others. Ah you Antichristian Prelates, when will you make an end of defending your tyranny, by the bloud and rapine of her Majesties subjects? You have bin the consumers of the fruits of Waldegraves labours: for have you not sent him so often to prison, that it seemed you made a common occupation thereof? For assoone as any booke is printed in the defence of Christs holy Discipline, or for the detecting of your Antichristian dealings, but your ravening pursivants flye city and country to seeke for Waldegrave, as though he were bound by statute unto you, either to make known who printed seditious bookes against my L. Face, or to goe to prison himselfe, and threatned with the racke. And are you not ashamed to say, that he ever violated his Faith? you know well enough, that he is neither Archb. nor L. B. The case thus stood, after he had remained a long time in Prison, not that time when Hartwell his graces secretary wisht that his grace might never eat bit of bread after hee released him, Nor at that time when you profane T. C. told him, that all Puricans had trayterous hearts. Nor at that time Waldegrave told her grace, that hee was worse then Bo…er in regard of the time. Nor that time when hee was strangely released by one of the Lord of good Londons Swans. Neither was it at that time, when his grace (good conscionable Noble man) violated his promise, in that he told the Wardens of the Stationers, that if Waldegrave would come quietly to him, and cease printing of seditious bookes, he would pardon what was past, and the Wardens promised his wife, that if he were committed, they would lye at his graces gate till he were released, and for all this yet hee was committed to the white Lyon, where he lay 6 weeks, Nor it was not at that time, when his grace allowed Watson the Pursivant, to take of Waldegrave, 13…. 4 pen…c, f…r carrying of him to the white Lyon, But it was that time when his grace kept him 20 weekes together in the white Lyon, for printing the complaint of the Comminalty, the practise of Prelates▪ a learned mans judgment &c. Meanes being used for his liberty, his friend who was bound for him told him, his liberty was obtained in manner following. You must be bound faith he, in a 100 pounds, to print no more bookes hereafter, but such as shall be authorized by her Majesty or his grace or such as were before lawfully authorized: whereunto he answered that it was not possible for him to containe himselfe withinWhere … it may appeare …e swore not to his friend. the compasse of that bond, neither should his consent ever goe to the same (the same will D, Coosins witnesse (that maidenly Doctor, who sits cheeke by joll with you) if he will speake a truth, which words Waldegrave uttered to him, going in the old Pallas at Westminster with his Keeper before hoe was released) yet hee would gladly have his liberty if he might lawfully. For said he I being a poore workman to my company, cannot possibly observe it▪ For many bookes heretofore printed, had cum privilegio, and yet were never authorized: and againe, that it were but a …olly for him to sue to her Majesty, the Office were very base and unsit for her. And he might be well assured that Caiphas of Cant. would never authorize any thing for his behoofe, and so it fell out. And thus Martin hath proved you in this, as in all other things, to bee lyars. And what is it that you Bp. and your hangones will not say by Waldegrave, whom you would hang if you could I will be briefe in the r…st, but so, as the Reader may perceive that T. C. was hired to lye by commission.
I will stand to it, that his grace accounteth the preaching of the Word, being the only ordinary meanes of Salvationpage 46. to be an heresie, and doth moreally persecute the same: his appellation to the obedient Clergy shall stand him in nopage 47. steed, when more worke for Cooper is published. And there I will pay thee for abusing Master Wiggington, and Mr. Davison, whose good names can take no staine from a Bishops chops. If his grace rejected Master Evans forpage 47. want of conformity, why is the quare impedit gotten against the Bishop of Worcester, by the noble Earle of Warwicke his patron. J hope he will see both the quare impedit, and the premunire too, brought upon the bones of father Edmond of Worcester. It is a common bragge withpage 48, 49. his grace, his parasites, and with himselfe, that he is the second person in the land. More worke shall pay his grace for commending the Apocrypha, a profane and a lying2 Esdras, 14. 21. 37, &c. story in many places, to bee unseparably joyned with the holy Word of God. You grant D. Spark to have set his grace and your selfe T. C. at a non-plus for the septuaginta page 50.is contrary to the Hebrew, and therefore you maintaine contrary translations, and require men to approve both. Martin hath marred Richard patriks Market, for otherwife he was in good hope to have a benefice at his grace his hand, and to be made a Minstrell. Shamelesse and impudent wretches that dare deny Iohn of Canterbury to have bin at any time under D. …erne, but as a fellow of the house, where he was master, whereas all the world knoweth him to have bin a poore scholler in that house, yea and his grace hath often confessed, that hee being there a poore scholler, was so poore as hee had not a napkin to wipe his mouth, but when he had gotten some fat meate of O the fellowes table, would goe to the Skrine, and first wipe his mouth on the one side and then O the other, because he wanted a napkin, judge you whither this be not a meane… state, then to carry a clo…kbag, which is not spoken to upbraid any mans poverty, but to pull the pride of Gods enemy an ase lower. Although we cannot beleeve D. Perne in the Pulpit, yet in this point wee will not refuse his testimony. I am glad Iohn of London you will not deny, but you have the Dyars cloath, make restitution then: thou madest thepage 51, 52▪ 53, 54. Porter of thy Gate a Minister Iohn, and thou mightest do… it lawfully. Why so J pray thee, why ma…, because hee was almost blind, and at Paddington being a small people▪ hee could not starve as many soules, as his master doth, which hath a great charge, I hope Mr. Madox will thinke scorn, to aske Iohn of London forgivenesse. The substance of thepage 55, 56 Tale is true. I told you that I had it at the second hand.
Are you not ashamed to deny the elmes to be cut downe at Fulham? Why her Majesties taker tooke them from Iohn of London. And simple fellowes, are you not able to discerne betweene a pleasant frump given you by a counsellour, and a speech used in good earnest. Alas poore Iohn O London, doest thou thinke, that Mr. Vice-chamberlaine spake as hee thought. Then it is time to begge thee for a swagge. And so it is if thou thinkest wee will beleeve the …urncoate O. Perne speaking unto us in his owne name, who like an Apostatae, hath out of the pulpit, told so many untruthes. And as it is lawfull to boule▪ O the Sabboth, as it is to cat, and for you to make dumbe Ministers, as it waspage 57, 58 for DAVID to eate of the shew bread page 110. or for the Machabees to fight on the Sabboth, or for Moses to grant a bill of divorcement? J perceive these men will have thepage 62. good Divinity, if it be to be gotten for money. Yea and our Saviour Christ, sware by his Faith very often. How so good Iohn, I never heard that before, why saith T. …. hee said Amen Amen very often, and Amen, is as much as by my faith, page 62. horrible and blasphemous Beasts, whither will your madnesse grow in a while, if you bee not restrained▪ M. Allen the Grocer is paid all save 10 pound: for the use of that, the Executors have Iohn O Londons blessing. And J thinke they are reasonably well served. Ifpage 58. the tale of Benison be not true, why was Iohn of London alorted by the counsell, to pay him (I thinke) 40 pounds,page 59. for his false imprisonment. Iohn of London is not dumbe, because hee preacheth sometimes thrise a yeare at Pauls Crosse. Then we shall never make our money of it I see. But I pray thee T. G, how canst thou excuse his blasphemypag. 6. 61 62 of Eli, Eli, lamasaback…hani, there have beene two outragious facts amongst others committed in the world, by those that professe true Religion, the one was the betraying of our Saviour by Iudas an Apostle, the other was the horrible mocking of his agony and bitter passion, by Iohn Elmar a Bishop in this speech▪ If he had bin in some reformed Churches, the Blasphemer would have hardly escaped with his life. And is it true sweet Boy indeed Hath Liecestershire so embraced the Gospell without contention, and that by dumbe Iohns meanes? Little doest thou know what thou hast done now, how if Martin be a Liecestershire man, hast not thou then set out the praise of thine owne bane?
For Martin I am sure, hath wrought your Caiphas Chaire more wracke and misery, then all the whole Land beside. And therefore thou seest, a man may be so madde sometimes, that he may praise he cannot tell what. The Bishop of Rochester in presenting himselfe to a parsonage, did no more then Law allowed him. And doe so againe good Iohn of Rochester, and it will be for thy oredit, Fo,page 63, these Puritans would find fault I thinke with Iohn of Cant, (if he beleeving that Christ in soule went to Hell) should hold it unlawfull for a man to pray unto Christ being in Hell. And sweet Iohn of Cant, if ever thou prayedst in thy life for any bodies soule, now pray for thy brother D, Squire and Tarletons soules. They were honest fellowes, though I think Deane Iohns eares be longer. For why good sweet Iohn may not your worship doe this, as well as William of Lancolne might pray, that our soules page 63, 64should be with the soules of professed traiterous Papists.
The good B. of Winchester did not protest, that at Sir M. Overies which was layd to his charge, but hee spake some things that way. Well brother Winchester, you confessepage 14, 65, 66, &c. the most part, & we will beleeve the rest for your sake without witnesse. The B. of Winchester never said that it was an her esie, to hold that the preaching of the Word waspage 71. the onelyonly ordinary meanes to salvation, but inasmuch as P…nri held that the effect of salvation could not bee wrought by the word read, he said that was not farre from heresie: why Brother Cooper, what is this else but open confession. For Iohn Penri as appeareth in his writings holdeth the word read, to be no ordinary meanes of salvation at all, This I know you will account an heresie, otherwise your case is damnable, that cause the people to content themselves with reading, and hold that they may ordin…rily be saved thereby. Yea but T. of Winchester disputedpage 7…, 75. a M of Art, 45 yeares …goe in Divinity. Here is an old Lad once: I hope that disputation was very cholerickly performed. And he did once as pretty a thing as that came to. For once preaching a… Canter. he was disposed to note out T. C. I meane simple T. C. in his Sermon, his part he plaid after this sort. He noted 4 great Hidraes of the Gospell in his sermon, 1 Carnall Security, 2 Heathenish Gentility, 3 obstinat Papistry, 4. Saith he (when I looke in his forehead, … find T. C. written therein, which I cannot otherwise interpret, then thanklesse Curiosity▪ thanklesse for the benefits already received, and more curious then needs, in vaine and needlesse questions: the old student did not know himselfe to be T. C. when hee thus spake: and this is the thanklesse curiosity, that hath answered Martin: yea he saw Martins picture drawne, when he was a young man. I perceive then he was not so blind, as the old Porter of Paddington, whom Iohn of London bedeaconed and beministred: Lucian of Winchester was himselfe the Painter, Mydas of Cant. the Iudge: the one of the 2 women called Ignorance was the goodwife of Bath. Dr. Culpable Warden of New Colledge: the other called jealous suspition, was the Fox; Iohn of Exceter, then Camwinkadeward, alias Dr. Prime Calumniator: this Winken and his Lord of Winchester drew innocency, to wit, Martin Marprelat Gent: by the heire of the head then followed: Dolus, …aus, insidiae, to wit: Dr. Perne, …. Renold, and Dr. Cosins: the Treader was cankered Mallis, his Eyes was fiery, his face thinne, wrink…led, pin'd away with melancholy: and this was Dr. Copcot, then followed dolefull Repentance, that is, Deane Iohn repenting that ever hee had written in the Bishops behalfe, because his grace is not as good as his word, T. C. cōsider this picture untill we meete againe. Now my businesse calls me away, I am going towards Banbery? for I heare say, there hath bin old adoe; for Bakers daughters would have Knights whither they would or no. I will learne the truth thereof, and so I will post to shohill: and visiting some parts of Stratford, Warwick, and Northampton shires. I may well make a journey backe againe to Norfolk and Suffolke: J have a Regester at Bury, and by that time my visitors will come out of Cornwall, Devon and Hamshire: and now farewell good profane T. C. I cannot now meddle with a long period, which thou hast in the 33. 34. page of thy Booke, it is but 38 lines, thou art longer winded then Deane Iohn is I see, though he hath longer periods then that I set downe, whereas thou dost complaine that the Livings of our Bishops are so small that some of their Children are like to goe a begging, there is present Remedy for that, for to what end else is Iohn of Cant, unmarried, but to provide for the Bishops Children, who shall bee poorely left, though indeed I never said in my life, that there was any great familiarity betweene Mistresse Toye and Iohn Whitgift, and ile befie em, ile befie em that will say so of me; and wherefore is Rich. of Peterborough unmarryed but to provide for other mens Children; O now I remember me, he hath also a charge to provide for, for his Hostes and cosen of Sibson, the Peticote which he bestowed upon her, within this sixe months was not the best in England, the Token was not unmeere for her state, farewell, farewell, farewell, old Martin keepe thee out of their hands for all that, for thou art a short fellow, thou wilt one day overthrow them Amen, and then thou swearest by thy Faith, quoth Iohn of London.
Martin the Metropolitan to Iohn the Metropolitan, saith Nemo considat nimium secundis.
Martin to his troubled Sonne, saith Nemo desperet Meliora Lapsus.
Anglia Martinis Disce favere tuis.
Faults Escaped.
Title line 10, Read, Chapleine hath shewed himselfe in his late admonition to the people of England to b. &c.
Epist. page 3 read Eulegein for Euldgeni, beare with the rest of the Faults.
FINIS.
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