Work for a Cooper, Response 8 – Statement 11
Reverend Martin.
Bishop West phaling. But what then? Parson Gravat, parson of sir Iohn Pulchres in London (one of dumb Iohns bousing Mates) will be drunke but once a weeke, But what then? good Children should take linkes in a cold morning, & light them at his nose, to see if by that meanes some part of the fire that hath so flashed his sweete face, might be taken away: this were their duty, saith T. C. and not to cry redde nose, redde nose. But T. C. what if a man should find him lying in the kenill, whether should hee take him up (all to be mired like a Swine) in the sight of the people, and carry him home on his backe, or fling a coverled on him, and let him there take his rest, untill his legges would be advised by him to carry him home. But me thinkes brother T. C. you defend the Bishops but evill favouredly in these points. For you doe, as though a Thiefe should say to a true man, I must needes have thy purse, thou must beare with mee, it is my nature, J must needes play the Thiefe. But yet thou dealest uncharitably with me, if thou blasest it abroad: for though I make an occupation of Theft, ye… charity would cover it. So say you, though our Bishops make a Trade of persecuting and depriving Gods Ministers, though they make a Trade of continuing in Antichristian callings, yet charity would have their faltes covered, and have them mildly dealt with. As though T. C. there were no difference, betwixt those that fall by infirmity into some one sinne, not making it their Trade, and not defending the same to be lawfull, and our Bishops which continue in an Antichristian calling, and occupation, and defend they may doe so. But will they leave thinke you, if they be mildly and gently dealt with. Then good Iohn of Canterbury, J pray thee leave thy persecuting, good Iohn of Canterbury leave thy Popedome: good Father, Iohn of London, be no more a Bishop of the Divell: be no more a Traytor to God and his Word. And good sweet Boyes, all of you become honest men: maime & deforme the Church no longer: sweet fathers now make not a Trade of persecuting; gentle fathers keep the people in ignorance no longer: good fathers now maintaine the dumbe Ministery no longer. Be the destruction of the Church no longer, good sweete Babes now leave your Nonresidency, and your other sinnes, sweete Popes now: and suffer the truth to have free passage. Lo T. C. now I have mildly dealt with the good Fathers. I will now expect a while, to see whether they will amend by faire meanes, if not let them not say, but they have bin warned.
Reverend T. C. from the 20 to the 30.
Though the Bishops be falty, yet they are not to be excused that find fault with them for sinister ends. And the Prince and Magistrates, is to take heed that by their suggestions, they be not brought to put downe L. Bishops, to take away their livings, and put them to their pensions. For the putting of them to their pensions, would discourage young students from the study of Divinity.
Reverend Martin.
I thought you were afraid to lose your livings, by the Cour…er Martins meanes. But brethren feare it not. I would not hauehave any true Minister in the Land, want a sufficient living. But good soules. I commend you yet, that are not so b…shfull, but you will shew your griefes. Is it the treading under foote of the glory of God, that you feare good men. No no say they, we could reasonably well beare that losse. But we dye if you diminish the allowance of our Kitchin. Let us be assured of that, and our Lordly callings, and we doe not greatly care, how other matters goe. I will when more worke is published, helpe those good young students unto a meanes to live, though they have none of your Bishopdomes, if they will be ruled by me.
Reverend T. C. page 5. 36.
They have beene within these few weekes 3 or 4 pamphlets bublished in Print, against Bishops. The Author of them calleth himselfe Martin, &c.
R. Martin.
But good Tom Tubtrimmer, if there have been 3 or 4 published, why doth Bishop Cooper name one onelyonly, why doth he not confute all▪ why doth he invent objections of his owne, seeing he had 3. bookes more to confute, or 2 at least then he hath touched, nay, why doth he confute one of them throughly, seeing therein his Bishopdome was reasonably caperclawed. I have onelyonly published a Pistle, and a Pitomy; wherein also I gra…t that I did reasonably Pistle them. Therefore T. C. you begin with a lye, in that you say that I have published either 3. or 4. bookes.
Reverend T. C. page 38.
His grace never felt blow as yet, &c. What is he past feeling, wilt thou tell me that T. C. he sleepeth belike in the top of the roust. I would not be so well thwacked for the Popedome of Ca…ter. as he hath borne poore man. He was never able to make good syllogisme since I am sure: He allowed D. Bridges his booke quoth T. C. I pray thee what got he by that, but a Testimony against himselfe, that either he hath allowed Treason, or confessed himselfe to be the Bishop of the Divell▪