Vindication of Answer About Unity and Authority of the Catholic Church, Treatise · Part

Vindication of Answer About Unity and Authority of the Catholic Church · Treatise · Part

p. 102An ANSWER to the DEFENCE of the THIRD PAPER.

I Have now done as to matter of Reason and Argument; the third Paper chiefly relates to Matter of Fact: which, if I were mistaken in, even the brisk Defender of it, doth me that Right, to say, the Bishop of Winchester did mislead me. For the whole Body of my Answer, he saith, is in effect a Transcript from the Bishop's Preface; that I purloin his Arguments, without altering sometime so Des. p. 111.much as the property of his Words. That I have quoted him five times only in the Margin, and ought to have quoted him in almost every leaf of my Pamphet. In short, if the Master had not eaten, the Man (saving Reverence) could not have vomited. This is a Tast of the Decency and Cleanliness of his Stile; especially in writing for Princes and great Ladies, who are not accustomed to such a sort of Courtship to others, in their Presence. But as course as the Complement is, it clears me from being the Author of any Mistakes, and lays the blame on the Bishop, who is not able to answer for himself. Yet, as if I had been the sole Contriver and Inventer of all, he bestows those civil and obliging Epithets upon me, of disingenuous, foul-mouth'd, and shuffling; one of a virulent Genius, of spiteful Diligence Pag. 85. 87. 88.and Irreverence to the Royal Family; of subtil Calumny, and sly Aspersion; and he adds to these Ornaments of Speech, that I have a Cloven Foot, and my Name is Legion; and that my Answer is an Ib. 125.infamous Libel, a scurrilous saucy Pamphlet. Is this indeed the Spirit of a New Convert? Is this the Meekness and Temper you lvixintend to gain Proselites by, and to convert the Nation? He tells us in the beginning, that Truth has a Language peculiar to it self; I desire to be informed whether these be any of the Characters of it? Pag. 85.And how the Language of Reproach and Evil-speaking may be distinguished from it? But Zeal in a new Convert is a terrible thing; for it not only burns but rages, like the Eruptions of Mount AEtna, it fills the Air with noise and smoak; and throws out such a Torrent of liquid Fire, that there is no standing before it. The Answerer alone was too mean a Sacrifice for such a Hector in Controversy. p. 103All that standeth in his way must fall at his Feet. He calls me Legion, that he may be sure to have number enough to overcome. But he is a great Prosicient indeed, if he be such an Exorcist, to cast out a whole Legion already. But he hopes it may be done without Fasting and Prayer.

If the People continue stedfast to their Religion, they are the Rabble; and the only Friends I can perceive he allows us. My good Friends the Rabble in one place, and in another, Our Author Page 92. 125.knows he has all the common People of his side; What nothing of Honour, or Dignity, or Wit, or Sense, or Learning left of our side? Not so much as a Poet, unless it be Robbin Wisdom. I pray, Sir, 126.when was it that all our Friends degenerated into the Rabble? Do you think that Heresy, as you call it, doth ipso facto degrade all Mankind, and turns all Orders of Men, even the House of … Lordsit self, to a meer Rabble? If all the common People be of our side, we have no Reason to be troubled at it; but there is another thing of our side, which you like worse, and that is common Sense; which is more useful to the World than School-Divinity. But methinks he should not be angry with the common People, when he takes such pains to prove, That the Kingdom of Heaven is not only Pag. 95.for the Wise and Learned; and that our Saviour's Disciples were but poor Fishermen; and we read but of one of his Apostles who was bred up 93.at the feet of Gamaliel; and that poor People have Souls to save as precious in the sight of God as the grim Logicians. Would not any one take this for an Apology for the common People, rather than for the Dutchess of York? Whose Wit and Understanding put her far beyond the need of such a mean Defence? Could she be vindicated in no other manner than by putting her into the rank of the Persons of the meanest Capacities? But this is another part of the Decency of this Defence. He had several pretty sayings, as he thought, upon this Subject, and therefore out they come, without regarding the Reflection implied in them on a Person of her Capacity as well as Dignity. And so h… goes on in his Plea for the Ignorant, i. e. for the common People, as I am resolved to understand it. Must they be damned unless they can make a regular Approach to Pag. ….Heaven in Mood and Figure? Is there no entring there without a Syllogisin? or ergotcering it with a Nego, Concedo, & Distinguo? This may pass for Wit and Eloquence among those I think he pleads for. And so I am content to let it go for the sake of my Friends, the common People. But this is somewhat an unusual way of defending, p. 104to plead for those he professes to despise, and in such a manner, as to reproach the Person he undertakes to defend.

From the Common People, we come to Church-M…n, to see how he uses them. And he hath soon found out a Faction among them, whom he charges with juggling Designs: but Romantick …eroes must be allowed to make Armies of a field of Thistles, and to encounter Pag. 87.Wind-mills for Giants. He would fain be the Instrume…t to divide our Clergy, and to fill them with suspicions of one another. And to this end, he talks of Men of a Latitudinarian Stamp: For it goes a great way towards the making Divisions, to be able to fasten a Name of Distinction among Brethren: This being to create Jealousies of each other. But there is nothing should make them more careful to avoid such Names of Distinction, than to ob…rve how ready their common Enemies are to make use of them, to create Animosities by them: Which hath made this worthy Gentleman to start this different Character of Church-men among us; as tho there were any who were not true to the Principles of the Church of England as by Law established: If he knows them, he is better acquainted with them than the Answerer is; for he professes to know none such. But who then are these Men of the Latitudinarian Stamp? To speak in his own Language, they are a sort of Ergoteerers, who are for a Concedo rather than a Nego. And now I hope they are well explained. Or, in other words of his, They are, saith he, for drawing the Non-conformists to their Party: i. e. they are for having no Non-conformists. And is this their Crime? But they would take the Headship of the Church out of the King's Hands. How is that possible? They would (by his own description) be glad to see Differences lessened, and all that agree in the same Doctrine, to be one entire Body. But this is that which their Enemies fear; and this Politician hath too much discovered: for then such a Party would be wanting, which might be plaid upon the Church of England, or be brought to joyn with others against it. But how this should touch the King's Supremacy I cannot imagine. As for his desiring Loyal Subjects to consider this matter; I hope they will, and the more sor his desiring it; and assure themselves, that they have no cause to apprehend any juggling Designs of their Brethren; who, I hope, will always shew themselves to be Loyal Subjects, and dutiful Sons of the Church of England.

p. 105The next he falls upon, is, the Worthy Answerer of the Bishop Pag. 88.of Condom's Exposition, and him he charges with picking up Stories against him, and wraping them up with little Circumstances. How many Fields doth he range for Game, to sind Matter to sill up an Answer, and make it look big enough to be considered? But that Author hath so well acquitted hims…lf in his Defence, as to all the little Objections made against him, that I can do the Reader no greater Kindness, than to refer him to it.

I must not say, the poor Bishop of Winchester is used unmercifully by him; for he calls him that Prelate of rich Memory. As though, Pag. 97.like some Popes, he had been considerable for nothing, but for leaving a Rich Nephew. But, as he was a Person of known Loyalty, Piety, and Learning; so he was of great Charity, and a publick Spirit, which he shewed both in his Life-time, and at his Death. Could nothing be said of him then but that Pr…late of rich Memory? Or, had he a mind to tell us he was no Poet? Or, that he was out of the Temptation of changing his Religion for Bread?

The Bishop of Worcester is charged with down-right Prevarication, i. e. being in his Heart for the Church of Rome, but for mean Reasons continuing in the Communion of the Church of England. P. 104, 105, &c.Therefore, saith he, take him Topham. And now what can I do more 108, 109.for the poor Bishop? The most he will allow him is, that he was a peaceable old Gentleman, who only desired to possess his Conscience and his Bishoprick in Peace without Offence to any Man, either of the Catholick Church, or that of England. Yet he hath so much kindness left for the poor Bishop, that for his sake he goes about to defend, that a Man may be a true Member of the Church of England, who asserts both Churches to be so far Parts of the Catholick Church, that Pag. 109.there is no Necessity of going from one Church to another to be saved.

This is a very surprising Argument from a new Convert. Why might he not then have continued still in the Communion of this Church, tho he might look on the Church of Rome as part of the Catholick Church? The Reason I gave against it was, that every true Member of this Church must own the Doctrine of it contained in the Articles and Homilies; which charge the Church of Rome with such Errors and unlawful Practices, as no Man who believes them to be such, can continue in the Communion of that Church; and therefore he must believe a Necessity of the forsaking of one Communion for the other; and that no true Member p. 106of this Ch…rch can, with a good Cons…ience, leave this Church and embrace the other.

Let us now see what a Talent he hath at Ergoteering. If this be true, saith he, then to be a Member of the Church of England, one must assert that either both Churches are not Parts of the Catholick, or that they are so Parts, that there is a necessity of going from one to another. He would be a strange Member of the Church of England, who should hold that both Churches are not Parts of the Catholick; for then he must deny that Parts are Parts; for ev…ry true Church is so far a Part of the Catholick Church. Therefore, I say, he must hold, tho it be in some respects a Part of the Catholick Church; yet it may have so many Errors and Corruptions mixed with it, as may make it necessary for Salvation to leave it. The second, he saith, is Nonsense. How Nonsense? He doth well to hope that Men may be saved that do not understand Controversy; nor approach Heaven in Mood and Figure. A necessity of a Change, saith he, consists not with their being Parts; for Parts constitute one Whole, and leave not one and another to go to or from. We are not speaking of the Parts leaving one another; but of a Person leaving one Part to go to another. Suppose a Pestilential Disease rage in one part of the City, and not in another; may it not be necessary to leave one Part and go to the other, tho they are both Parts of the same City, and do not remove from one to the other? But he saith, with great assurance, that necessity of Change makes it absolutely impossible for both Churches to be parts of the Catholick. Which plainly shews, he never understood the Terms of Communion with both Churches. For, no Church in the World can lay on Obligation upon a Man to be dishonest, i. e. to profess one thing, and to do another; which is Dissimulation and Hypocrisy. And no Church can oblige a Man to believe what is false, or to do what is unlawful; and rather than do either, he must forsake the Communion of that Church.

Thus I have given a sufficient taste of the Spirit and Reasoning of this Gentleman.

As to the main Design of the Third Paper, I declared that I considered it, as it was supposed to contain the Reasons and Motives of the Conversion of so great a Lady to the Church of Rome.

But this Gentleman hath now eased me of the necessity of further considering it on that account. For he declares, That none of Pag. 90.those Motives or Reasons are to be found in the Paper of her Highness. Which he repeats several times. She writ this Paper, not as to the p. 107Ibid.Reasons she had her self for changing, &c. As for the Reasons of Ibid.it, they were only betwixt God and her own Soul, and the Priest with whom she spoke at la…t.

And so my Work is at an end as to her Paper. For I never intended to ransack the private Papers, or secret Narratives of great Persons. And I do not in the least question the Relation now given, from so great Authority as that he mentions of the Passages concerning Her; and therefore I have nothing more to say as to what relates to the Person of the Dutchess.Page 11….

But I shall take notice of what this Defender saith, which reflects on the Honour of the Church of England.

(1.) The Pillars of the Church established by Law, saith he, are to Page 94.be found but broken Staffs by their own Concessions. What! is the Church of E…gland Felo de se? But how, I pray? For after all their undertaking to heal a wounded Conscience, they leave their Proselytes finally to the Scripture; as our Physicians, when they have emptied the Pockets of their Patients, without curing them, send them at last to Tunbridg Waters, or the Air of Montpellier. As tho the Scripture were looked on by us as a meer Help at a dead Lift, when we have nothing to say. One would think he had never read the Articles of the Church of England; for there he might have seen, that th… Scripture is made the Rule and Ground of our Faith. And, I pray, whither should any Persons be directed under Trouble of Mind, but to the Word of God? Can any thing else give real Satisfaction? Must they go to an Infallible Church? But whence should they know it to be Infallible, but from the Scriptures? So that on all hands, Persons must go to the Scriptures if they will have Satisfaction. But this Gentleman talks like a meer Novice as to Matters of Faith, as tho believing were a new thing to him; and he did not yet know, that true Faith must be grounded on Divine Revelation, which the Pillars of our Church have always asserted to be contained only in the Scripture; and therefore whither can they send Persons but to the Scripture? But it seem… he is got no farther than the Collier's Faith; he believes as the Church believes, and the Church believes as he believes; and by this he hopes to be too hard for a Legion of Devils.

(2.) He saith, We are Reformed from the Vertues of good Living, i. e. Pag. 98.from the Devotions, Mortifications, Austerities, Humility and Charity, which are practised in Catholick Countries, by the Example and Precept of that lean mortified Apostle St. Martin Luther.

p. 108He knows we pretend not to Canonize Saints; and he may know, that a very great Man in the Church of Rome, once said, That the new Saints they Canonized, would make one question the old Ones. We neither make a Saint nor an Apostle of Martin Luther; and we know of no Authority he ever had in this Church. Our Church was reformed by it self, and neither by Luther nor Calvin, whom he had mentioned as well as the other, but for his lean and mortified Aspect. But after all, Luther was as lean and mortified an Apostle as Bishop Bonner; but a Man of far greater worth, and sit for the Work he undertook, being of an undaunted Spirit. What a strange sort of Calumny is this, to upbraid our Church, as if it followed the Example and Precept of Martin Luther? He knows, how very easy it is for us to retort such things with mighty advantage; when for more than an Age together, that Church was governed by such dissolute and profane Heads of the Church, that it is a shame to mention them; and all this by the confession of their own Writers. But as to Luther's Person, if his Crimes were his Corpulency, what became of all the fat Abbots and Monks? But they were no Apostles, or Reformers. I easily grant it. But must God chuse Instruments, as some do Horses, by their fatness to run Races. As to Luther's Conversation, it is justified by those who best knew him, and are Persons of undoubted Reputation, I mean, Frasmus, Melancthon, and Camerarius. And as to Matters in dispute, if he acted according to his Principles, his Fault lay in his Opinions, and not in acting according to them.

But whether our Church follow Luther, or not, it is Objected, that we have reformed away the Vertues of good Living. God forbid. But I dare not think there is any Church in the World, where the Necessity of good Living is more earnestly pressed. But I confess we of the Church of England, do think the Examples and Precepts of Christ and his Apostles, are to be our Rules for the Vertues of good Living. And according to them, I doubt not, but there are as great Examples of Devotion, Mortification, Humility and Charity, as in any place whatsoever. But I am afraid this Gentleman's Acquaintance did not lie much that way; nor doth he seem to be a very competent Judg of the Ways of good living, is he did not know how to distinguish between outward Appearances and true Christian Vertues. And according to his way of judging, the Disciples of the Pharisees did very much outdoe those of our Blessed Saviour; as appears by a Book we esteem very much, called the New Testament: but if I mention it to him, I am p. 109afraid he should think I am like the Physicians, who send their Patients …ag. 101.to Tu…bridg-Wells, or the Air of Montpellier.

(3.) That two of our Bishops, whereof one was Primate of all England, renounced and condemned two of the established Articles of our Church.

But what two Articles were these? It seems they wished we had kept Confession, which no doubt was commanded of God; and praying for the Dead, which was one of the ancient things of Christianity. But which of our 39 Articles did they renounce hereby? I think I have read and consider'd them, as much as this Gentleman, and I can find no such Articles against Confession, and praying for the Dead. Our Church, as appears by the Office of the Visitation of the Sick, doth not disallow of Confession in particular Cases, but the necessity of it in order to Forgiveness in all Cases. And if any Bishop asserted this, then he exceeded the Doctrine of our Church, but he renounced no Article of it. As to the other Point, we have an Article against the Romish Doctrine of Purgatory, Art. 22. but not a word concerning praying for the Dead, without respect to it. But he, out of his great skill in Controversy, believes, that Prayer for the Dead, and the Romish Doctrine of Purgatory, are the same. Whereas this relates to the deliverance of Souls out of Purgatory, by the Suffrages of the Living; which makes all the gainful Trade of Masses for the Dead, &c. but the other related to the Day of Judgment, as is known to all who are versed in the Writings of the Ancient Church. But this our Church wisely passes over; neither condemning it because so ancient, nor approving it because not grounded on Scripture, and therefore not necessary to be observed.

(4.) But his great spite is at the Reformation of this Church; which, he saith, was erected on the Foundation of Lust, Sacrilege, Pag. 1…2.and Usurpation. And that no Paint is capable of making lovely the hideous Pa…. 117.Face of the pretended Reformation.

These are severe Sayings, and might be requited with sharper, if such hard Words, and blustering Expressions, had any good effect on Mankind. But instead thereof, I shall gently wipe off the Dirt he hath thrown in the Face of our Church, that it may appear in its proper Colours.

And now this Gentleman sets himself to Ergoteering; and looks and talks like any grim Logician, Of the Causes which produced it, Pag. 117.and the Effects which it produced. The Schism led the way to the Reformation, for breaking the Unity of Christ's Church, which was the p. 110Foundation of it; but the immediate Cause of this, which produced the Separation of Hen. 8. from the Church of Rome, was the refusal of the Pope to grant him a Divorce from his first Wife, and to gratify his Desires in a Dispensation for a second Marriage.

Ergo, the first Cause of the Reformation, was the satisfying an inordina…e and brutal Passion. But is he sure of this? If he be not, it is a horrible Calumny upon our Church, upon King Henry the 8th, and the whole Nation, as I shall presently shew. No; he confesses he cannot be sure of it: For, saith he, no Man can carry it so high as the Original Cause with any certainty. And at the same time he undertakes to demonstrate the immediate Cause to be Henry the 8s. inordinate and brutal Passion. And afterwards assirms as confidently as if he had demonstrated it, That our Reformation was erected on the Foundations of Lust, Sacrilege, and Usurpation. Yet, saith he, the King only knew whether it was Conscience or Love, or Love alone, which moved him to sue for a Divorce. Pag. 117.Then by his Favour, the King only could know what was the immediate Cause of that which he calls the Schism. Well! but he offers at some Probabilities that Lust was the true Cause. Is Ergoteering come to this already? But this we may say if Conscience had any part in it, she had taken a long Nap of almost twenty Years together before she awakened. Doth he think that Conscience doth not take a longer Nap than this, in some Men, and yet they pretend to have it truly awaken'd at last? What thinks he of late Converts? Cannot they be true, because Conscience hath slept so long in them? Must we conclude in such Cases, That some inordinate Passion gives Conscience a jog at last? So that it cannot be denied, he saith, that an inordinate and brutal Passion, bad a great share at least in the production of the Schism. How! cannot be denied! I say, from his own words it ought to be denied, for he confesses none could know but the King himself; he never pretends that the King confessed it; How then cannot it be denied? Yea, how dare any one affirm it? Especially when the King himself declared in a Solemn Assembly, in these words, saith Hall, (as near, saith he, as I could carry them away) speaking of the dissatisfaction of his Conscience,—For this only Cause, I protest before God, and in the Word of a Prince, I have asked Counsel of the greatest Clerks in Christendom; and for this Cause I have sent for this Legat, as a Man indifferent, only to know the Truth, and to settle my Conscience, and for none other Cause, as God can judg. And both then, and afterwards, he declared, that his Scruples began upon the p. 111French Ambassador's making a Question about the Legitimacy of the Marriage, when the Match was pr…posed between the Duke of Orleance and his Daughter; and he affirms, That he moved it himself in Confession to the Bishop of Lincoln, and appeals to him concerning the Truth of it in open Court. Sanders himself doth not Sand. de Schism. Angl. l. 1. p. 11.deny that the French Ambassador (whom he calls the Bishop of Tarbe, afterwards Card. Grammont; others say it was Anthony Vesey, one of the Presidents of the Parliament of Paris) did start this Difficulty in the Debate about this Marriage of the King's Daughter; and he makes a set Speech for him, wherein he saith, That the King's Marriage had an ill Report abroad. But then he adds, That this was done by the King's appointment, and that Card. Wolsey put him upon it; but he produces no manner of Proofs concerning it, but only, that it was so believed by the People at that time, who cursed the French Ambassador. As tho the suspicious of the People were of greater Authority than the solemn Protestation of the King himself.

But I think it may be demonstrated, as far as such things are capable of it, from Sanders his own Story, that the King's first Scruples, or the jogging of his Conscience, as our Author stiles it, could not come from an inordinate Passion to Ann Bolleyn. For he makes Card. Wolsey the chief Instrument in the Intrigue. Let us then see what Accounts he gives of his Motives to undertake it. He not only takes notice of the great Discontent he took at the Emperor Charles V. the Queen's Nephew; but how studious he was upon the first intimation of the King's Scruples, to recommend to him Pag. 9.the Dutchess of Alençon the King of France's Sister; and that Pag. 10.when there were none present but the King, Wolsey, and the Confessor. Afterwards Wolsey was sent on a very splendid Ambassy into France, and had secret Instructions to carry on the Match with the King of France's Sister. But when he was at Calais, he received Orders from the King to manage other Matters as he was appointed, but not to say a word of that Match. At which, saith Pag. 15.Sanders, he was in a mighty rage, because he carried on the Divorce for nothing more, than to oblige the most Christian King wholly to himself by this Marriage. How could this be, if from the beginning of his Scruples he knew the King designed to marry Ann Bolleyn? But Sanders thinks to come off with saying, That Wolsey knew of the King's Love, but he thought he designed her only for his Concubine. But this is plainly to contradict himself; for before he said, That Pag. 10.Wolsey knew from the beginning whom he intended to marry. Besides, p. 112what Reason could there be, if the King had only a design to corrupt her, that he should put himself and the World to so much trouble to sue out a Divorce? For the Divorce was the main Thing aimed at in all the Negotiations at Rome; other Applications had been more proper, if his Design was only upon having her for a Concubine. But she would not be corrupted. If this were the Reason, he must again contradict himself, for he makes her a lewd vicious Woman. And it doth not …eem so probable, if she had been such a Person as he des…ribes her, that she would have put the King to so much trouble, and such a tedious method of proceeding, by so many Forms of Law. But again, Sanders saith, Pag. 18.when she returned from France, and was at Court, she found out what Wolsey designed. Which makes it evident, by Sanders his own words, that the Design of the Divorce was before the thoughts of Ann Bolleyn. And it seems very probable, that Card Wolsey might carry on a Publick Design by it, to draw the King off from the Emperor, and to unite him with France. And the Pope at that time being highly displeased with the Emperor, he might think it no dissicult thing to procure a Dispensation, the King of France's Interest being join'd with our King's. Some have written, That the Pope himself was in this Intrigue at first; but seeing no Acworth. c. Sander. l. 2. …. 14, 17.Proof of i…, I dare not affirm it: It is sussicient for my purpose, that the first Design was laid quite another way. I confess afterwards, when Wolsey upon his return from France, saw how things were like to go, he struck in with the King's Humour, as appears by the Letters of Ann Bolleyn to him: But yet carried himself so coldly afterwards in the Matter of the Divorce, that it proved one occasion of his Fall. Thuanus, being an Historian of great Judgment, saw the inconsistencies of Sanders his Relations; and therefore concludes that Wolsey was surprized with the Business of Ann Bolleyn, after he went into France, having notice sent him by his Friends; and that Wolsey wholly aimed at the French Match. Mezeray saith, The Cardinal could not foresee the Love of Ann Bolleyn, but his Design was to be reveaged on the Emperor; and he questions whether the King were smitten with her, till Wolsey was sent into France; when the King so unexpectedly forbad him to proceed in that Match, cum summo eras dosore, as Sanders confesses. From all this we see plainly, that since Sanders makes Card. Wolsey the Pag. 22.great Contriver and Manager of this Business, the immediate Cause of the Schism could not be the Love of Ann Bolleyn.

p. 113But we have other kind of Proofs concerning this Matter, besides Sanders his Inconsistencies, and those shall be from some of the greatest and most a…live Men of that Time, and some remarkable Circumstances.

The sirst is a Person of unquestionable Integrity, a…d accounted a Martyr for his Conscience at that Time; I mean Sir Thomas More then Lord Chancellor; who after he had delivered to the House of Commons the Original Papers of the Universities in favour of the Divorce, he then sa…d, That all Men should clearly perceive that the King hath not attempted this Matter of Will and Pleasure, as Strangers say, but only for the Discharge of his Conscience, and the Security of the Succession to the Crown. Which was a Reason alleadged by the King himself; and seems to have been built on the Grounds which Charles the 5th assigned for breaking his Oath which he made to marry the Lady Mary, by the first Article of the Treaty at Windsor. Lord Herbert owns that the Emperor, to avoid the History of H. 8 p. 216.Force of this Treaty, had alledged something against the Marriage between the King and his Aunt: But another Author, who lived much nearer the Time, doth affirm, That when the Match was Servi Fidelis Responsio, &c.debated in the Spanish Council, it was then said, That altho the Match between the King and his Brother's Relict were not yet disputed, yet if the King should die without Issue Male, rather than the Kingdom should pass to Foreigners, the English Nation would dispute the Validity of the Marriage. And to confirm this, in Sir Henry Spelman's Manuscript-Register of the Proceedings of the Legatine Court about the Divorce, subscribed by the three Notaries there present, the Witnesses deposed, That at the time of the Marriage, the People said commonly, that it was unfit one Brother should marry the other Brother's Wife. And Arch-bishop Warham then upon Oath declared, That he told K. Henry the 7th, that the Marriage seem'd to him neither Honourable, nor well-pleasing to God. And he confesses, the People then murmur'd at it, but that the murmuring was quieted by the Pope's Dispensation. So that all the Satisfaction that was given about it, arose from the Pope's extraordinary dispensing Power with the Laws of God. Which was a thing vehemently opposed by many in the Church of Rome; and the University of Bononia it self afterwards declared, That the Match was abominable, and that the Pope himself could not dispense with it; and this they say was, after they had read Card. Cajetan's Defence of the Marriage. The like was done by the University of Padua; besid…s many others which I shall not mention, and are easily to be seen.

p. 114So that the Succession to the Crown by this Match, must depend upon an extravagant Power in the Pope, which the Roman Church it self never owned; and the wisest Statesmen thought by no means sit to depend upon.

The notice of this Debate in the Spanish Council being sent over to Card. Wolsey, seems to have been the first Occasion taken of starting the Question about the Lawfulness of the King's Marriage; which Wolsey, out of a private Grudg to the Emperor, as well as for other Reasons, was not wanting to carry on, till he saw which way it was like to end. And the Pope himself was willing enough to grant the Bull for the Divorce, till he made a secret Peace with the Emperor: and it is easy to see that the Pope went forwards and backwards in the whole Affair, merely as politick Considerations moved him. Which being fully known to so discerning a Prince as Henry the 8th, it gave him just occasion to question, whether that Authority were so Divine as was pretended, which in so great a Matter did not govern it self by any Rule of Conscience, but by Political Measures.

One remarkable Circumstance in this Matter ought not to be omitted, viz. That the King's Agent at Rome sent him word, That the Pope's Advice was, that if the King's Conscience were satisfied, … Herb. …. 219.he should presently marry another Wife, and then prosecute the Suit; and that this was the only way for the King to attain his Desires. But the King refused to do it. And when Card Wolsey sent a Message to the King to the same purpose: the King replied, If the Bull be naught, let it be so declared; and if it be good, it shall never be broken by any by-ways for me. And when he objected the tediousness of the Suit, he answered, Since he had Patience eighteen Pag. 217.Years, he would stay yet four or five more, since the Opinion of all the Clerks of his Kingdom (besides two) were lately declared for him: Adding, That he had studied the Matter himself, and Writers of it; and that he found it was unlawful, DE JURE DIVINO, and undispensible.

Thus we have found the King himself declaring in Publick and Private, his real dissatisfaction in Point of Conscience; and that it was no inordinate Affection to Ann Bolleyn which put him upon it: and the same attested by Sir Tho. More, and the Circumstances of Affairs. I now proceed to another Witness.

The next is Bishop Bonner himself, in his Preface to Gardiner's Book of True Obedience: For thus he begins; Forasmuch as there be some, doubtless, now at this present, which think the Controversy between p. 115the King's Royal Majesty, and the Bishop of Rome, consisteth in this Point, for that his Majesty hath taken the most excellent and most noble Lady Ann to his Wife; whereas in very deed, notwithstanding, the Matter is far otherwise, and nothing so. So that if Bishop Bonner may be believed, there was no such immediate Cause of the Schism, as the Love to Ann Bolleyn. And withal he adds, That this Book was published, that the World might understand what was the whole Voice and resolute Determination of the best and greatest learned Bishops, with all the Nobles and Commons of England; not only in the Cause of Matrimony, but also in defending the Gospel's Doctrine, i. e. against the Pope's usurped Authority over the Church. Again, he saith, That the King's Marriage was made, by the ripe Judgment, Authority, and Privilege of the most and principal Universities of the World; and then with the Consent of the whole Church of England. And that the false pretended Supremacy of the Bishop of Rome was most justly abrogated; and that if there were no other Cause but this Marriage, the Bishop of Rome would content himself, i. e. if he might enjoy his Power and Revenues still; which, he saith, were so insupportable, that there lay the true Cause of the Breach: For his Revenues here were near as great as the King's; and his Tyranny was … and bitter, which he had exercised here under the Title of the Catholick Church, and the Authority of the Apostles, Peter and Paul; when notwithstanding he was a very ravening Wolf, dressed in Sheeps clothing, calling himself the Servant of Servants. These are Bonner's words, as I have transcribed them, out of two several Translations, whereof one was published while he was Bishop of London.

Stephen Gardiner Bishop of Winchester, in his Book, not only affirms the King's former Marriage to be unlawful, and the second to be just and lawful; but that he had the Consent of the Nation, and the Judgment of his Church, as well as foreign Learned Men for it. And afterwards he strenuously argues against the Pope's Authority here, as a meer Usurpation.

And the whole Clergy not only then owned the King's Supremacy, (Fisher excepted) but in the Book published by Authority, called, A Necessary Doctrine and Erudition of a Christian Man, &c. The Pope's Authority was rejected as an Usurpation, and confuted by Scripture and Antiquity. K. James I. declares, That there was a General and Catholick Conclusion of the whole Church of England in this Case. And when some Persons suspected, that it all came from the King's Marriage, Bishop Bonner we see undertakes Apol. for the Oath of All…giance.to assure the World it was no such thing.

p. 116The Separation was made then by a General Consent of the Nation, the King, and Church, and People, all concurring: and the Reasons inducing them to cast off the Popes Usurpation, were published to the World at that time. And those Reasons have no relation at all to the King's Marriage; and if they are good, as they thought they were, and this Gentleman saith not a word to disprove them, then the Foundation of the Disunion between the Church of Rome and Us, was not laid in the King's inordinate Passion, but on just and sufficient Reasons.

Thus it appears, that this Gentleman hath by no means proved two parts of his Assertion, viz. That our Reformation was erected on the Foundations of Last and Usurpation.

But our grim Logician proceeds from Immediate and Original, to Concomitant Causes; which; he saith, were Revenge, Ambition, Pag. 118.and Covetousness. But the Skill of Logicians used to lie in proving; but this is not our Author's Talent, for not a word is produced to that purpose. If bold Sayings, and confident Declarations will do the Busines, he is never unprovided; but if you expect any Reason from him, he begs your Pardon; he finds how ill the Character of a grim Logician suits with his Inclination. However, he takes a leap from Causes to Effects; and here he tells us, the immediate Effects of this Schism, were Sacrilege, and a bloody Persecution, of such as denied the King's Supremacy in Matters wholly Spiritual, …id.which no Layman, no King of Israel ever exercised.

What the Supremacy was, is best understood by the Book published by the King's Order, and drawn up by the Bishops of that Time. By which it appears, that the main thing insisted on was, rejecting the Pope's Authority; and as to the positive Part, it lies in these things. 1. In Defending and Protecting the Church. 2. In overseeing the Bishops and Priests in the execution of their Office. 3. In Reforming the Church to the old Limits and pristine Estate of that Power which was given to them by Christ, and used in the Primitive Church. For it is out of doubt, saith that Book, that Christ's Faith was then most pure and firm, and the Scriptures of God were then best understood, and Vertue did then most abound and excel: And therefore it must needs follow, that the Customs and Ordinances then used and made, be more conform and agreeable unto the true Doctrine of Christ, and more conducing unto the edifying and benefit of the Church of Christ, than any Custom or Laws used or made by the Bishop of Rome, or any other addicted to that See and usurped Power since that time.

p. 117This Book was published with the King's Declaration before it. And therefore we have reason to look on the Supremacy to be taken as it is there explained. And what is there now so wholly Spiritual, that no Layman, or King of Israel, ever exercised in this Supremacy? But this Writer never took the pains to search into these things, and therefore talks so at random about them.

As to the Persecutions that followed, it is well known that both sides blame K. Hen. 8. for his Severity; and therefore this cannot be laid to the Charge of his Separation. For the other Effect of Sacrilege, I do not see how this follows from the Reformation: For although some Uses might cease by the Doctrines of it, as Monks to pray the Dead out of Purgatory; yet there were others to have employed the Church Lands about, as some of them were in founding New Bishopricks, &c. And I have nothing to say in justification of any Abuses committed that way; only that the King and Parliament could not discern the difference between greater and lesser as to the Point of Sacrilege; and since the Pope had shewed them the way, by granting Bulls for the dissolution of the lesser Monasteries, they thought, since the Pope's Power was taken away, they might, with as little Sacrilege, dissolve the rest. I will shut up this with the words of Arch-bishop Laud; But if there have been any wilful and gross Errors, not so much in Opinion as Conference, … p. 156.Fact, (Sacrilege too often pretending to reform Superstition) that's the Crime of the Reformers, not of the Reformation, and they are long since gone to God to answer it, to whom I leave them.

The Method I proposed for Satisfaction of Conscience about the Reformation, was to consider, Whether there were not sufficient cause for it? Whether there were not sufficient Authority? And whether the Proceedings of our Reformation were not justifiable by the Rules of Scripture, and the Ancient Church? He tells me, he may safely join issue with me upon all three Points, and conclude in the Negative. But upon second thoughts, he finds he may much more safely let it alone: And very Pag. 1. 2.fairly would have me take it for granted, That the Church of Rome cannot err in Matters of Faith; (for that he must mean by the Church there) and that our Church hath no Authority ef Reforming her self; and that our Proceedings were not justifiable according to the right interpretation of Scriptures by the Fathers and Councils. But if I will not allow his Affirmations for Proofs, for his part he will act the grim Logician no longer; and in truth, it becomes him so ill, that he doth well to give it over. When he p. 118will undertake to prove, that the Church of Rome is the One Catholick and Infallible Church of Christ, and answer what I have produced in the former Discourses, I will ease him of any farther Trouble; for then I will grant that our Reformation cannot be justified. But till then, I shall think it no want of Humility to conclude the Victory to be on our side. And I would desire him not to end with such a bare-faced Assertion of a thing so well known to be false, viz. That there is not one Original Treatise written by a Protestant, which hath handled distinctly, and by it seif, that Christian Vertue of Humility. Since within a few Years (besides what hath been printed formerly) such a Book hath been published in London. But he doth well to bring it off with, at least that I have seen or heard of; for such Books have not lain much in the way of his Enquiries. Suppose we had not such particular Books, we think the Holy Scripture gives the best Rules and Examples of Humility of any Book in the World; but I am afraid he should look on his Case as desperate if I send him to the Scripture, since he saith, Our Divines do that, as Physicians do with their Patients whom they think uncurable, send them at last to Tunbridg-Waters, or to the Air of Montpellier.

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