A Pleasant Purge for a Roman Catholic, Epigram 1
On, and againſt Popiſh Ave-Maries.
NO Ave-Marie now? No Salutation
Of the bleſt Virgin ſince her Exaltation?
TheaLuk. 1. 28. Angell ſayd it whilſt ſhee here did Live;
Muſt we not then this honour now her give,
In ſtate of Glory, mounted up on High
To GodsbFleurs des vies des Sts. A Paris 1637. part. 2. p. 124. to 132. right hand, above the Starrie skie?
No. Why? becauſe it is AcLuke 1. 29. Salutation,
And ſo Caſheer'd by this Her Elevation.
Friends, Neighbours uſe none to ſalute or greete
By ſpeech, whilſt abſent, but when as they meete.
If Men in England ſhould ſalute with Ave
Their friends in Spaine, & cry to them, God ſave yee,
All Haile good ſirs, and with them Complement
Whiles abſent there, as if they were preſent;
Or ſhould they Aves to their Pictures ſay,
And them Salute, as you doe hers each day,
All would them deeme mad, fooliſh; are not ye
Then Mad, Craz'd, Sottiſh thus to cry Ave,
Hayle Mary full of Grace, to Mary here,
And to her Pictures, as if ſtill ſhe were
Here preſent with you; when you all grant, know,
She's now indFleurs, des vies des Sts p. 124. to 132. La Feſte del Aſſumption noſtre Dame heav'n above, not here below,
*See Burtons Melancholy p. 242. to 252.Ten Millions more remote from you all, then▪
Thoſe now in Spaine are from us Engliſh Men.
No doubt your wits are fled, you quite erre, dote,
Thus to ſalute her from you ſo Remote,
Since Fooles, yea little Children ſtill deny
To aske their Parents bleſſing, if not by;
Go to Salute them with Cap, Congie, Knee,
Except they ſee them, and they preſent be.
The Angell Courted her not till he eLuc. 1. 28. And the Angel came in unto her and ſayd, Haile. &c.came
Into her Preſence; pray doe ye the ſame;
Stay, till you meete her Perſon, then ſalute;
The Angell elſe your folly will confute;
Who in her abſence us'd no Complement,
Nor Ave, but when, where ſhe was preſent.
Nor did he her Salute, nor Ave cry
Till hefLuc. 1. 26. 27. 28. Fox. p. 1310. was ſent by God in Embaſſie
To Her from Heav'n Above, and to her came
With ſpeciall tydings: doe you than the ſame.
Stay till God ſends you to her, then ſalute:
The Angell, elſe, your Dotage will refute.
When you come to her with an Embaſſie
From God, then Her ſalute and Aue cry:
But not before, ſince tis Preſumption
Her to ſalute without commiſſion.
None butgLuc. 1. 26. 28. Fox 1310. An Angell, not one Mortall Man
Saluted her with Ave here: how can
You then (no Angels, but meere men) preſume
The Angels Salutation to Aſſume?
And this greathFlewrs des Sts Part. 2. p. 128. 129. Officium B. Mariae. Pariſiis 1635. Queene of Heav'n greet thus? I feare
You are too bold with Him and Mary here,
Firſt, to Vſurpe his words, and then to cry
Ave to this grand Queene Familiarly,
Without their leave or God's, as if you were
Their equals; till you be ſo, pray forbeare
Your Aves: Its not Manners, nor Decent
For you with this grand Queene to Complement:
It ſtands not with a Princeſſe Royalty,
That all ſhould her ſalute Familiarly.
The Angle ſayd his Ave iLuk. 1. 18.once, no more
Then ceaſt, and did not oft repeate it o're.
How then can you your Aves every Day
Repeate oft times together, when you pray,
And never ceaſe? the Angle certainely
Did never teach you ſuch Battologie.
*Ribadeniera Fleurs, des vies des Sts p. 222.Your Legends write of great St Marguerite,
That ſhe a thouſand times us'd to recite
The Ave Mary, Proſtrate on the Ground
On Each Feaſt, Vigil▪ which ſhe ſacred found
Ʋnto the Virgin, and did cry Ave
When and where ere ſhe did her Image ſee;
Yea, Popes andkRoſarium B. Mariae. Sir Edwin Sandys Relation, p. 7. George Dowly, Briefe inſtruction: Edit. 4. p. 211. 212. Officinm B. Mariae f. 7. Joan. Criſpin L'eſtat, de Legliſe p. 498. 512. Fox 1315 Tho. Beacons Reliques of Rome. vol. 3, f. …34. Maſſe-Bookes order you each day
By ſound of Bell, nine Aves for to Say,
Morning, Noone, Evening, three Aves together
Without one Pater Noſter them to ſever;
So that you pray to Mary nine times more
Each day, than unto God, if not nine Score.
For, in your Ladies Beades or Roſary;
(Which all Dominican Monkes, and ſundry
Beſides, are bound to uſe ſtill) you each day
lRoſarium B. Mariae George Dowley Prieſt, his brief inſtruction p. 211. 212. 213.An hundred fifty Ave Maries ſay.
Succeſſively; ten Ave Maries to
One Pater Noſter; and ſo pray unto,
Her ten times more than to God the Father,
And ſo her ten times before him preferre,
At leaſt, if not farre more,mOfficium. B. Mariae nuper reformatum Pii 5… Pontificis iuſſu A Paris 1636. f. 16. 37. 40. 43. 46. 49. 51. 57. 74. 76. 78. 80. 82. 86. 89. 106. 108. 110. 112. 114. and p 17. 67. 72. 82. 60. 66. 76. 97. 58. 83. 90. Fox p. 1310. 1314. 1315. beginning all
Your houres, with Aves to her, ere you call
On God, your lips to open, and to be
Your Aide; proceeding, ending with Ave
To her: with it you ſtill begin and end
Your Sermons, Prayers; Her, more than God intend.
Fooles, why doe ye thus her preferre before
God, and than him invoke thus ten times more?
Why doe you vexe her with Battologies,
And Peales of oft rehearſt Ave Maries
From day to day? for ſhame this clamour ceaſe,
The Angell elſe will bid you hold your Peace,
Who ſayd his Ave onelyonly once, no more
For ought we reade; give then your Aves o're;
You have repeated them ſo oft Each day,
That now tis time to caſt them quite Away,
The Angell his Ave to Mary ſayd
nLuk. 1. 28 29.Before his tydings to her were diſplay'd;
To informe her of ſomething ſhe before
Knew not at all; which done, he ſpake no more.
You not to informe her of ought that's new,
Or of a thing which ſhe before not knew;
But out of feare leaſt ſhe forget what He
Inform'd her then through flux of time, Ave
ByoSir Edwin Sandys his Relation p. 5. to 9. Roſarium. B. Mariae. Millions to her ſtill cry night and day
Unceaſantly, and nought but Aves ſay;
No doubt ſhe heares them not, for if ſhe did,
She would as many times each day have chid
You for your folly, as you Ave cry,
Not to her honour, but great infamie;
Who thinke her deafe, dull, voyde of Memory,
Forgetfull of her Grace, Felicity,
And of the Angels Meſſage; at leaſt wiſe
Delighted with your vaine Tautologies,
That you ſuch Peales of Aves to her Thunder;
If ſhe heare ought for them it is a wonder.
Ceaſe than to cloy, deafe, ſhame, vex her with Ave,
Elſe ſhee'l heare nought elſe, nor have time to ſave ye;
Tooke up, deaft, tyred with Aves alone;
To her no pleaſing, but diſtaſtefull Tone,
Which at the firſtpLuk. 1. 29. perplext; made her admire,
But now thus babled, her Provokes to Ire.
Learne Manners from the Angell, Ave ceaſe
When utter'd once, then after hold your peace.
Ceaſe Aves now for ſhame; if you proceede
You are no Angels but the Cuckoo's breed.
He, as a qLuk. 1. 28. 29. 30. 31. 32. 33.preface to his Embaſſie
Ʋs'd his Ave, whiles ſhe was here onelyonly
Among Women, in State of Grace, not Glory;
Be you then guided by the Angels ſtory.
You have no Embaſſie unto her Grace,
From God himſelfe, to preface thus; her Caſe,
State, Place, are altred much from what they were
When as the Angell her ſaluted here:
She was thenrLuk. 1. 28. Bleſſed art thou among women. among Women; now on high,
She hath no Women in her Company:
There are no women yet in heav'n; its true
Good womens Soules are there in Bliſſe, but you
Cannot their Soules call women; ſince ſoules are
Not Male nor female, and nought doth declare,
Make, differ Sexes but bodies alone;
And womens Bodies yet in heav'n are none;
Therefore no women doubtleſſe are now there:
But Grant they be, yet no Women are neare
Where you place Her, sRibadineira les Fleurs des vies des Sts part. 2. p. 128. to 132 …afeſte del Aſſumption.at Gods Righth and on high,
On the throne of the Bleſſed Trinity,
Above all Angels, Saints, who come not nigh
The Virgin, whom you mount, advance ſo high.
You cannot then ſay truely, Bleſt art thou
Among Women; Unto the Virgin now;
Sith no Women are in her Company:
When you ſay Aves now, you ſtill doe Lye.
He, as a tLuk 1. 29. See Fox p. 1310. 1311.Salutation, not a Prayer
His Ave Mary uttered firſt to her:
You as a prayer to her it ſay alway;
This doth your Error, ſottiſhneſſe diſplay▪
His Salutation was not, cannot be
A *All the Prelates & Co… vocation of England and King Henry the 8. in their Neceſſary Doctrine and Erudition; write; that although the Salutation be not a prayer of Petition, ſupplication or requeſt or ſuite; yet nevertheleſſe the Church hath uſed to adjoyne it to the end of the Paret Noſter, as a Hymme, of praiſe, partly of our Lord & Saviour & partly of the bleſſed Virgin, &c.prayer to her, as you ſhall clearely ….
Firſt, t'was anvLuk▪ 1. 26. 28▪ Angell ſayd it; Angels pray
Not unto men, whom theyxPſ. 34. 7. Pſ. 91. 11. Hob. 1, 14 gard, ſave alway;
God never ſent an Angell to teach Men,
To pray to Him, much leſſe to Mary; then
It is no Prayer; no Angels but Chriſt may
Preſume once to preſcribe what Men ſhall pray.
He ſpake it when heyLuk. 1. 28. 31. 32. 3… ▪ came her newes to bring
Of Chriſts conception, craving her nothing.
It was azLuk. 1. 26. 28. greete from God; to make it then
A Prayer to her, makes God to pray to Men.
There is no word in it which poſſibly
His greete a Prayer to her can once Imply.
Beſides, theaLuk. 1. 29. Text, bAll Offices and Romiſh Catechiſmes terme it, the Angels or Angelicall Salutation.you, it expreſſely call
A Salutation, and no prayer at all.
And that a meere ſalute a pray'r ſhould be
To her, ſeemes ſtrange, nay ſenſeleſſe unto me.
The Text addes further;cLuk. 1. 29. 30. So he ſayd to Zacharie, v. 13. Fea…e not &c. yet none ſay thus to the Virgin or him though the Angell did it: why then ſay they Ave and not this to? ſhe was troubled at
His ſaying, and did caſt in her minde, what
Manner of Salutation this ſhould be:
Which made the Angell ſay, (c) Feare not: Had ſhe
Thought this a prayer made to her, certainely
She had not thus bin troubled, ſcar'd thereby.
Nought this a prayer, unto her can import,
To make it then a Prayer now is mad ſport,
Unleſſe be for her: if you this deny,
A Prayer for her the words it prove clearely.
Firſt dLuk. 1. 28. foreign, ſignifies properly Gaude, or rejoyce.Ave, which All Haile, or happineſſe
Attend you, ſignifies, is an expreſſe
Prayer for, not to her; and is juſt the ſame
With our ſalute, God ſave you bleſſed Dame;
Which all confeſſe to be a Pray'r not to
But for thoſe we ſalute; than Ave's ſo.
Next, Dominus Tecum; The Lord be with thee,
Is a prayer for, not to her: this to be
So, is moſt cleare by all your Liturgies,
Houres Maſſe-bookes, where the Prieſt thus prayes and cryes.
eOfficium B. Mariae & Miſſale Romanum paſſim.Dominus Tecum oft times; which all call
A prayer to God, for, not to men at all.
By this then ſee your Madneſſe, folly, ſhame,
In ſaying Aves to the Bleſſed Dame.
You thinke thereby you onelyonly pray unto
Not for the Virgin, when you quite croſſe doe,
Praying not to, but for her alwayes when
You ſay your Aves: O mad, ſenſeleſſe Men!
If ſhe thus neede your Aves her to ſave,
Bleſſe, bring to God, how can you then ought crave
Pray, gaine from her? If ſhe needs prayers from you
She can ill ayde, ſave thoſe who to her ſue.
You fFleurs des vies des S…s part. 2. pag. 128. to 130. Bernardinus de Buſtilis Mariale, Pars. 3. Serm. 3. Excellent. 4. 5. Pars. 5. Ser. 7. Pars 9. Ser. 2. Pars 10. Serm. 2. See Biſhop Vſhers anſwer to the Jeſuites challenge p. 475. to 496write, ſhe is in height of Happineſſe;
That God, Chriſt, ſhe, doe now one throne poſſeſſe.
It is meere folly then and ſurpluſage
To Power out Aves for her in this Age:
At leaſt wiſe Salves; which you make the ſame
With Aves in your Maſſe-bookes; where the Dame
Is oft ſaluted, prayd for thus,gOfficium B. Mariae fol. 22. 29. 35. 36. 82. 94. 95. Salve
Maria, or Regina, God ſave thee
Mary, or Queene of heav'n; which doth imply,
That ſhe is not yet ſaved perfectly;
Becauſe you pray God thus to ſave her ſtill;
(A pray… re not to, But for her Grace, as will
Appeare by this prayer often Mentioned,
h1 Sam. 10. 24. 2 Sam. 16. 16. 1 King. 1 25. 34. 2 King. 11. 12. 2 Chro. 23. 11.God ſave the King; us'd when Kings were Crowned,
Not to, but for them, by their ſubjects:) or
If ſhe be ſav'd already, this prayer for
Her (made for none but thoſe not ſaved yet,
And men on Earth, if I doe not forget)
Muſt needes be Idle, Vaine, Abſur'd; and ſhe
With it no doubt, will much diſpleaſed be,
Since it her not yet ſaved doth imply,
As it did when ſhe was iLuk 1 27. 28.here, not on High.
Before ſhe ſaved was you might well ſay,
Aves and Salves for her; but not pray
Thus for her now, when ſaved perfectly,
In Heav'n (as you hold) kFleurs des vies des Sts part. 2. p. 128. to 132.Both ſoule and Body.
The Angell had no Ave Mary lSir …dwin Sandyes his Relation; p. 8.Bell,
Sounding each morning, noone, night, him to tell
When he ſhould ſay his Ave to Mary,
As you have, by whoſe ſound your Aves Cry,
Thrice trebled dayly which Bell, no Popes Ban
Or Interdicts from ringing ſilence Can,
AsmTractar, de interdictis par. 1. nu. 79. Philip de Marnix Talbeau des differens part. 4. c. …. f. 178. a. Calderin moſt ſagely notes; though they.
All other Bells from ringing wholy ſtay.
The ringing theſe Bells is of ſuch Moment,
That the Orders of Monkes at Rome oncenAlbericus de Roſatis in Dictionar, verbum Campanella; Tablean des Differens: 4. part. c. 2. f. 178. a. went
To Law about it, before the Popes Grace,
To know which of them foure ſhould in firſt place
It ring each morning: where after long ſute,
Much coſt, more wrangling, and no ſmall diſpute:
It was at laſt reſolved finally,
By an unalterable Act, that they
Who did firſt riſe, ſhould ring it firſt of all
Each morning, men to Aves thus to call.
But ſince the Angell ſounded no ſuch Bell,
You ſhould not ring it if you would doe well.
The Angell had no Beads whereon to ſay
His Aves by ſet number every day;
He ſayd it but once, without Beads, then you
MuſtoAlanus de Rupe Miroure des Roſaries Sir Edwin Sandy Relation p. 7. Beades and dayly Aves bid Adue.
He ſayd it not by way of Pennance; ye
pSir Edwin Sandys Relation, p. 17.Injoyne men for their Penance the Ave
To Mumble over by ſet Scores, and then
They are abſolved and meere guiltleſſe Men.
The Angell fell not on his knees when he
Unto the Virgin ſpake his firſt Ave.
Why then doeqSee Bellar-mine de Imaginibus, libi Li… wade Provinc. Conſtit. li. 5. de Haeret. c. Nullus. Biſhop Ʋſhers anſwer to Jeſuites challenge. p. 497. you before her Image fall,
And kneele when you with Aves on her call?
The Angell ſayd his Ave onelyonly to
Her rLuk. 1. 28.Perſon, not her Picture; you unto,
Before her sPetr. de Cabreram 3. part Thoma qu. 25. artic. 3. diſp. 2. num. 15. 32.Image, not her Perſon ſay
Your Ave Maries onelyonly, when you pray.
Is it that you her Pictures deeme to be
Her ſelf, that you them greete thus with Ave?
If not, belike it is becauſe you feare
She is ſot1 King. 18. 27. farre off now ſhe cannot heare
Your voyce, but yet her Images cloſe by
May chance to heare you, when you Ave cry
Before them: but I doubt they both have loſt
Their hearing quite, ſhe, and the painted poſt:
And ſo your Babled Aves are loſt, vaine:
You may doe well then from them to abſtaine.
The Angell ſayd no Pater Noſter as
A Prologue to his Ave; neither was
The Ave heretofore joyn'd to the Pater
Ad its part or Apendix why of Later
Times than doe ye in your Houres vOfficium: B. Mariae p. 1. 5 9. 56. 61 62. 73. 88. 92. 94. 121. 125. 193. 399. 352. 354. 362. 366. 367 376Offices
Prayers, Maſſe-bookes uſe to preface your Aves
With Pater Noſters, yea make them a part
Of the Lords Prayer, or Codicell by Art?
Conjoyning them ſo neare, that none may ſay
A Pater without Ave, when they pray:
As if they both were prayers alike, and all
Who pray Ovr Father, ought likewiſe to call
On Mary as their Mother, Queene, elſe they
Shall not be anſwered though they Paters ſay.
Had this beene ſo, the Angell, or Chriſt would
Have them conjoyn'd thus, or at leaſt we ſhould
Have found them coupled thus in ſacred writ;
Which ſince it doth disjoyne them as unfit
To Match, ſute, run together; you both erre
And ſinne no doubt to Yoke them thus together.
Belike the Pater is a Beggerly
Prayer, and Ave*Fox: Acts and Monuments, p. 1…10 1…14. is infinitely
Better than it, as ſome held heretofore,
That you conjoyne them, and ſay halfe a ſcore
Aves for one ſole Pater Noſter; this
Angell neere taught you thus to pray amiſſe.
His Ave did in time and Place preceede
The Pater: you, in both make it ſucceede.
His Ave xLuk. 1. 28. 30. 31. 32. c. 11 2.was before Chriſts birth, but the
Pater long after it; Luke, his Ave
Records in his firſt Chapter; the Pater
In his Eleaventh, in time, place later
Than it: you Ave after Pater ſay,
Place, and ſo from the Text run quite aſtray.
Nay you the Angles Ave farre out-goe
JoyningyLuk. 1. 42. Officium B. Mariae f. 1. 5. 9. &c. Elizabeths ſalute thereto
As if it were the Angels owne; whereby
You Wrong the Text, and make the Angle Lye
And ſpeake Non-ſence, in ſaying, bleſſed be
The Fruite of thy Wombe; when tis cleare that ſhe
zLuk. 1. 31. 32.Had then no Fruite conceived in her wombe:
Whence he tels her, The Holy Ghoſt ſhall come
VponUpon thee, and the Power of the Higheſt
Shall over-ſhadow thee, both theſe expreſt
Not in the Preſent, but the Future Tenſe,
Her clauſe as his, makes him lye, ſpeake non-ſence,
It being true when ſhe it ſpake after
Maries conception; falſe when he to her.
Sayd his Ave before it. This is bad,
But that is worſe which you to his words adde.
aOfficium B. Mariae p. 2. 5. 9.Sancta Maria ora pro Nobis, &c.
Holy Mary pray for us, none of his
Nor of Elizabeths Words, nor once found
In*Neither in the ancienteſt Maſſe-books, witneſſe Officium. B. Mariae ſecundum uſum Sarum Pariſiis. 1538. where this clauſe is not found. ſcripture why then doe you joyne, confound
This curſed Pray'r thus with the Angels ſpeech
As if the Angels Mary did beſeech
To Pray God for men, and this clauſe indite
Which you as part of his ſalute recite,
To make poore people to the Virgin pray,
Who thinke all Scripture, Angels words they ſay.
SincebAll Popiſh Houres, Miſſals, Catechiſmes and writers ſo terme it all it tearme the Angells Salutation,
When theſe words are Romes damned innovation,
Patcht to the Angels greete: which forgery
The ſilly People cannot poſſibly
Diſcover, ſince Rome takes Gods Word away
From them, which ſhould this Jugling trick diſplay
And leaves them none but ſuch bookes where they finde
This clauſe annext, the better them to blinde.
The Angle did not ſuch forg'd Aves ſay:
You muſt them then diſcard and caſt away.
Th' Angell before, and after Offices,
Pſalms, Leſſons, Hymns, Houres, Sermons and Glories
No Aves ſayd,cOfficium: B. Mariae nup. Reformatum Pii 5. juſſu. Pariſiis 16 36. p. 16. 17. 37. 40. 44. 46. 49. 51. 57. 58. 67 72. 76. 78. 80. 82. 65. 66. 83. 90. 86. 89. 97. 100. 108. 110. 112. 114. 118. 193. Sir Edwin Sandys Rela. p. 7. Like, you; much leſſe did he
Into the 95. Pſalme his Ave:
And Lord be with you, inſert, as you doe
Foure times within this Pſalme, annexing two
Aves more unto its cloſe,eRoſarium B. Mariae Officium: B. Mariae Pii 5. juſſu reformatum. Ave Maria. is 86. times repeated and at large, & above an 100. times more in fractions. The Pater Noſt. but 31. times. placing one
Before it, though in the old Teſtment none
Can finde one Ave: Nay, whereas in the
Whoſe Bible there is onelyonly one Ave
Us'd by the Angell, you doe it record
Repeate at large, omitting not one word
An hundred and fifty times in one ſmall
Roſary onelyonly; and in moſt of all
Your Offices, Houres, Miſſalls I it finde,
Well nigh as oft recited in this kinde.
O Monſtrous Babling and Battologie!gGeorge Doul…y his briefe Inſtruction Edit. 4. p. 84. Chachiſmus Tridentinus c. de Oratione Fon p. 1310. 1314.
The Angell taught you no ſuch Cuckooes Cry.
The Angell ſayd his Ave onelyonly to
Mary her ſelfe; you ſay, (Nay write that you
May ſay) theſe Aves, Paters to, before
Thoſe other Saints whom you invoke, implore,
As you now uſe to ſay your Beades and Pater
To Mary and her Image, as your Father,
And then ſay Aves at your Paters end
To God the Father: this for ſhame amend,
Since tis the height of Madneſſe, Blaſphemy
To God, to Saints to ſay Ave Mary,
And to ſay Paters to Saints, and to her
As if they were God, your heav'nly Father.
He never ſayd an Ave too, before
The Croſſe, which you now pray to and adore
With hPontificale Romanum.Ave Lignum Triumphale; nay
With iSee G. before.Ave Maries which you to it ſay
Or kPontificale Romanum cap de Bendictione none crucis. Fox p. 1311. a.Ave Crux ſpes unica; All Haile
O Croſſe our onelyonly hope; doe thou availe
In Godly men to Judgement Righteouſneſſe,
And pardon to the guilty to adreſſe,
He never ſayd an Ave to the ſpeare
That did Chriſts bleſſed ſide both pierce and teare,
When you ſing Ave Lignum triumphale,
Felix Haſta, All Haile,lPontificale Romanum. or God ſave thee
Triumphant Iron, happy ſpeare, theſe you,
Salute, adore withmAquinas 3. part. q. 5. Art 3. & 4. Cajetanus Ibid. Bonaventure Marcellus, Almain, Carthuſian Capicolus, n. 3. ſint Diſtinct. 9. Jacobus Naclantus in Rom 1. Alenſis. part. 3. qu. 30. Latry as their due;
And the Croſſe, Nayles, Speare,nCeremoniale. Romanum. worſhip, deifie,
Becauſe they did Chriſts Body Crucifie,oOfficium B. Mariae, f. 381. 382.
As you ſalute, adore, Mary for that
She bore,pOfficium. B. Mariae, f. 314. preſerved, nurſt Chriſt; and did flat
Contrary to them, theſe your Aves be
Quite Croſſe to hers, and cannot well agree
The Virgin cannot take it well that theſe
Should be ador'd with Latry and Aves
As well as ſhe, and equaliz'd to her
For killing Chriſt, who did him Nurſe and beare.
Yea, you ſay Ave Chriſma to that Oyle
And Chriſme wherwith you children greaſe & ſoile:
And to S. Anne, pOfficium: B. Mariae, f. 314Roch, others Aves ſay,
In all theſe you quite from the Angell ſtray.
He never ſaid his Ave at no one day
By ſound of bell, as you it uſe to ſay
qIohn Creſpin L…eſtat de L…gliſe: f. 498. Stella and others in vita Calixti.By Pope Calixtus precept, to the end
That theſe Aves might thoſe aide and defend
Who did againſt the Turkes fight uſually,
A goodly charme, no doubt, to make Turkes fly.
Nor did he ever chaunt Ave Mary
TorAlanus de Rupe Mirrour des Roſaires Officium: B. Mariae. f. 349. 352. 354. 362. 366. 376. reſcue ſearcht ſovles out of Purgatory,
Or rather Hell, as you doe, when you ſay
Your Ave Mary prayers at Nooneday,
And in your Offices for the dead where
You Ave Maries ſay, and pray God there
TosIon Creſpin. f. 512. free the dead from Satans Power, Gods Ire
Endleſſe Damnation,tAb ira tua libera eos Domine; A fiamma ignis libera eos Domine: a poteſtate Diaboli libera eos Domine: ute Paenis Inferni …ripere digneris: & omnes fideles ab ae…erna damnatione liberare digneris: Officium B. Mariae. bells torments, and fire
Without one word at all of Purgatorie
Whoſe name in Miſſals, Houres, appeares rarely:
Good proofe there is no Purgatory: you
Muſt than this kinde of Aves bid adue.
The Angells Ave was but arbitrary,
Not ſayd of duty but ofvLuk. 1. 28. 39. curteſie,
You deeme your Aves, Maries right and due,
Though neither God, Chriſt, She, them crave from you.
The Angell greeted Mary with Ave
OnelyOnly xLuk. 1. 26. 27. 28. 30. 31 to 37.before Chriſts birth; you ſince, when ye
Cannot produce one Text, proofe, that any
Thus greeted her ſince Chriſts Nativitie:
Whereas we reade, theyMat. 2. 1. 2. 11. Wiſe men from the Eaſt
Who came to worſhip Chriſt, and did not reſt
Ʋntill they found him, when they came into
The houſe, and ſaw him with his Mother too,
Fell proſtrate, worſhipt him onelyonly, not her
And to him offred Gold, Incenſe, and Myrrhe,
But offered naught, we reade, to her at all;
Nor her ſaluted; you quite CroſſezSee Roſari um & Officium Beatae Mariae. downe fall
Worſhip, Salute, Preſent, Invoke onelyonly
Her, and the Babe Chriſt, in her Armes, paſſe by
Uncourted, uninvoked, No Ave
Is ſaid to him, knee bow'd, thing offered; ſhe
(A Crowned Queene) hath all the Ceremonie,
Prayers, Worſhip, Off'rings, whiles he a Babie
In her Armes, is Neglected: O fooles ſee
How oppoſite to the wiſe Men you be,
WhoaMat. 2. 11. did Salute, Adore, Preſent onelyonly
The ſucking Babe, but paſt the Mother by.
No doubt the bHeb. 1. 6. Rev. 19. 10.Angell would have done likewiſe
Had he ſeene Chriſt with her, before his eyes:
Or in her armes: you muſt not Ave cry
Then, or her greet henceforth, if Chriſt be by,
As he is ſtill, in Picture, when you ſay
Your Aves to her Image, as you pray.
He never did his Ave Mary ſay
To purge all Mortall, Veniall ſinnes away,
AscAlanus de Rupe in his Mirror of Roſaries Table and es differens p. 4. p. 188. T. Becons Reliques of Rome, vol. 3. f. 358. you your Aves and your Roſary
Vſe for to ſay; a new found Purgatory
To Purge Men from all ſinnes without Chriſts blood,
Which the Apoſtles never Underſtood.
He did eſtabliſh nodRoſarium B. Mariae Tableau des differens, f. 188. Fraternity
Of our Ladies Chapter or Roſary,
As you have done, to cry Ave each day
An hundred and fifty times without ſtay;
To all of which Order Pope Innocent
The Eight by his hand, voyce and full conſent
eTableau des differens 4. Part. c. 4. f. 188 189. Sir Edwin Sandys Relation. p. 17. 19.Gave two plenary Indulgences; In
Life one, in death the to'ther of all ſinne;
And five yeares after gave an hundred yeares
And Quarantines of Pardons to each beares
The Chaplet but about him; and many
Popes ſince, to thoſe who ſay the Roſary
And Ave, have granted them, ſeven, five, two
Yeares indulgence, with Quarantines thereto.
Nay Alexander the ſixth gave Pardon
For thirty thouſand yeares, to every one
Who before the Altar of our Lady
With Chriſt and her Mother, ſhould ſay onelyonly
A ſpeciall Ave, importing that ſhe
Was without ſinne conceiv'd; ſuch Pardons he
Did neither give nor grant to any here
For ſaying his Ave,fSir Edwin Sandys Relation p. 19 21. Popes may well forbeare
Then for to grant them; till God, Chriſt, Mary,
This Angell give them ſuch Authority.
The Angel which appear'd to Gideon,
Did uſe to him this Salutation;
gJudg. 6. 11 12. c. 13. 3. 4. 5.The Lord is with thee O thou Man of Might:
Yet none this greete to Gideon will recite:
An Angell unto Manoahs Wife, alſo
Brought downe from God theſe happie tidings; Lo
Thou ſhalt conceive and beare a Sonne; the ſame
In ſubſtance with thoſe he to Mary came;
Yet none to her this greeting Meſſage uſe:
You muſt then both repeate, or both refuſe.
An hLuk. 1. 11. to 20. c. 2. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15.Angell to the Shepheards, Zachary
Brought tydings of Johns, Chriſts Nativity;
And ſayd to them as unto Mary here,
Feare not, and ſo forth; yet it is moſt cleare
That none to them theſe greets or Aves ſay;
You muſt your Ave Maries caſt away
Then by the ſelfeſame reaſon, ſince that ye
Can ſhew no Precept, Ground to ſay Ave
To Mary onelyonly, and to pretermit
The Angels words to all theſe, as unfit
To uſe each day alone, or joyn'd to the
Lords prayer, as your Ave Maries be.
The Angell never dreamp't that his Ave,
Could Reprobates and damned Soules ſet free
From hell it ſelfe, when as your Roſary
Of Ave Maries, (If iQuod Reprobi & praeſciti per Devotionem Roſarii vitam aeternam aſſequantur. In his Mirrour of Roſaries, which paſſage is expunged in the Review of his Roſarie ſet forth by Copinger, Printed at Mentz. 1624.Alanus lye
Not,) but devoutly uſed will obtaine
Eternall life for Reprobates, and gaine
Damn'd tortur'd Soules out of hell fire, whence ye
Record, that AbbotkSigeberti Chron. Anno. 988. Petrus Dammian: in vita Odilonis. Tom. 1. Surii Jan. 1. p. 251: 253. 453. in the firſt Editions. Odilo did free
The ſoules of Reprobates and damn'd men by
His Prayers, and his Covents of Clary
From Hell, or Vuleans Pots, in whoſe flames they
By Devils were tormented night and day:
All which the Devills did oft times Lament
In hearing of an Anchorite, who ſent
This newes to Odilo; who then ordaines
All-ſoules day hereupon, damn'd ſoules from paines
Of hell to free, and not from Purgatory,
As moſt now write againſt the ſirſt pend ſtory.
If Ave Maries, Roſaries can free
Damn'd Soules from hell, Few then ſhall damned be.
In fine, his Ave was eſteem'd no part
Of Maries or Gods worſhip: by what art
Have you thenlSee Officium & Roſarium B. Mariae, Miſſale Romanum. The erudition of a Chriſtian Man… by King Henry the 8. & the Convocation: Chap. 1. of the Angelicall Salutation. made it both; who thinke that ſhe,
And God too, by your Aves worſhipt be:
Yet Mary more than God, ſince that you all
Your Offices, Houres, Pſalters; Maſſe-bookes call
Not Gods, but Maries, ſo that you adore,
Serve, her onelyonly now, at leaſt-wiſe her more
By farre than God, Chriſt, ſince your bookes thus beare
Her name and title, not theirs, as is cleare
By your new Printed Maſſe-bookes, which ſtil'd be
In all their Titles, Fronts, as you may ſee,
Our Ladies Pſalters, Primers, Offices,
Houres, Roſaries, and ſuch like: This Aves
Uſe hath in time produced, you to Make
HermSee, Bernardinus de Buſti his Mariale: and the Authors quoted by Biſhop Vſher in his anſwere to the Jeſuites challenge, p. 477. to 496. Servants and Devoti; who forſake
God, Chriſt, the Holy Ghoſt, and Trinity
Adoring none for God, but her onelyonly:
She is Romes Goddeſſe; God, Father, Son, Sp'rite,
Trinity, Mother; and none elſe of Right.
ThebSir Edwin Sandyes Relation. p. 5. to 10 Fleurs des vies des S. part. 2. pag. 129. 130. 131. part. 1. p. 63. 64. Statelieſt Churches, Altars, Images
Moſt Monkes, Nunnes, Orders; all Houres, Offices,
Bookes of Devotion are hers, beare her Name,
And all Grace, Pardon comes from this bleſt Dame,
As Rome Avers now. This Aves have wrought
Beyond, contrary to the Angels thought,
And Maries too; who by them hath undone,
Ungodded both the Father, and the Sonne.