Work More Work and a Little More Work for a Mass-Priest, Text (1 of 3)

Work More Work and a Little More Work for a Mass-Priest · Text (1 of 3)

p. 1VVORKE AND MORE VVORKE FOR A MASSE PRIEST.

SIr Prieſt, I pray you tell me of what Order of Prieſts you are; whether of the Order of Aaron, or of the Order of Melchiſedek: or of that rabblement whereof the Prieſts of Baal were. S^t. Paul witneſſeth, thataaHeb. 7, 12.Heb 7:12 Aarons Prieſthood is changed; and thatbbV. 23, 24. Melchiſedeks is ſuch, as paſſeth not from one vntounto another: ſo that (for any thing I ſee) you muſt be of the rabblement of Baal.

2 Again, Sir Prieſt, I pray you tell me, what is the chiefeſt duty which is required of you by vertue of your Prieſthood, whatſoever: Is it to preach, or to ſay Maſſe? Sunt infiniti, qui tantū celebrandis Miſsis, quas dicunt, operamdant, et eius reicauſa, ſacerdotes ſunt, proinde quaſi in eaomne conſiſtat officium. There are in finite (asccDe Iu…rū, lib. Polidor Virgil ſaith) who ſpend all their time, only in ſaying Maſſes, being prieſted for that purpoſe; as though no other duty was neceſſary to be performed by a Prieſt. Are you one p. 2of them? or are you a preaching Prieſt? If a preaching Prieſt, I pray you what calling hauehave you therunto? and whether are you bound of neceſſity to preach? I read in your bookes, thatddIoh. de Combis in Compend Theolog lib. 6. ca. 36. Actus princicipalis Presbyterorum eſt conſecrare corpus et ſanguinem Christi, The principall duty required of you, at the time of your prieſting, is Maſſing: and that eeSa. in Aphonſ. verbo pradicare. et Orde.Praedicare non eſt actus Ordinis ſacri: Preaching is no act belonging to holy Orders: and that,ffAzorius Inſtit. Moral. part. 1. lib. 7. cap. 7. 10. quar…. if it ſo fall out, a man cannot both heare a Sermon, and a Maſſe on a feſtivall day, he is bound rather to heare the Maſſe, then the Sermon: becauſe to heare Maſſes, is ſub praecepto, to heare Sermons, is only ſub conſilio. Which being ſo, preaching (it ſeemes) is a worke of Superogation with you, it is no neceſſary duty: You need not feare the Woe, thatgg1 Cor. 9. 16.1 Cor 9:16 S^t. Paul feared, if he preached not the Goſpell of God.

3 Sir Prieſt, I deſire to know what benefit may be reaped by hearing of your Maſſes, for ſaying whereof you ſet ſo many men on worke. Your Predeceſſors were wont to ſay,hhThe ſignification of the Maſſ printed in Engliſh by Robert Wyer in Queen Maries dayes, Diſcip. Ser. 48. de ſchs. Raymundus in Sum. de 7. Sacramen Tract. 3. fol. 91. That a man doth merit more while he doth heare Maſſe devoutly, then if hee ſhould giuegive for Gods ſake, ſo much ground and land as he could paſſe and goe over in the ſpace of that ſame Maſſe: AndiiBernard de Buſti. in Ser. de ſacr…ficio Miſſa. et Author of the Engliſh feſtivall, Sermo de Corpore Chriſti. That a man is never the elder, for the time that he ſpends in hearing of a Maſſe: AndkkDiſcip. loco ſupra citato. That one of your Maſses is of as much worth as Chriſts paſsion on the Croſſe. Now, and if this laſt aſſertion bee true, I would gladly know, whyllMaſſeus de vi… Ignatij lib. 2. cap. 12. Ignatius the founder of the Ieſuiticall Order, did ſay, and cauſe to be ſaid, 3000 Maſſes for the furtherance of that Order. p. 3Might not 300, yea 3, hauehave ſerved his turne, ſeeing one Maſſe is of ſuch efficacy and worth? You know the ſaying, fruſtra ſit per plura, quod ſieri poteſt per pauciora. It is needleſſe to vſe two ſtrings for a bow, if one will ſerue the turne.

4 By your doctrine, ſir Prieſt, when your number is ſo increaſed, as that you be able to make your part good againſt our noble King, you are bound in conſcience to rebell. For, Hinc infert vniuerſa Theologorum et Iuriſconſultorum Eccleſiaſticorū ſchola, (et eſt certum et de fide) quemcun … Principem Chriſtianum, ſi à Religione Catholica manifeſtè deflexerit, et alios avocar… voluer it, excidere ſtatim omni poteſtate et dignitate, et ipſa vi iuris tam humani tam divini, hoc … ante dictam ſententiam ſupremi Paſtoris et Iudicis contra ipſum prolatam: et ſubditos quoſcun … liberos eſſe ab omni iur amenti obligatione, quod de obedientia tanquam Principi legitimo praeſtitiſſent: poſſe … et debere (ſi vires habeant) iſtiuſmodi hominem tanquam Apoſtatam, haereticum, ac Chriſti Domini deſertorē, et Reip ſuae inimicū hoſtēq, ex hominū Christianorū dominatu eijcere, ne alios inficias vel ſuo exēplo, aut imperio aſide avertat. At que haec certa, definita, et indubitata virorum doctiſsimorum ſententia. This Inference doth the whole ſchoole of Divines, and Canoniſts make, (and it is a certaine inference, and to be beleeved as a point of faith:) That if any Chriſtian Prince whatſoever, ſhall manifeſtly turne from the Catholike Religion, and ſeeke to draw others from the ſame, he preſently falls from all Princely power and dignity; and that by vertue and force both of the law of God and man: yea p. 2and that before any ſentence be pronounced againſt him by the ſupreme Paſtor and Iudge: And that his ſubiects of what eſtate or condition ſoever, are freed from all bond of oath of allegiance, which at any time they had made vntounto him as to their lawf…l Prince: and that they both may, and ought, (if they hauehave competent meanes and ſtrength) caſt o…t ſuch a man from bearing rule among Chriſtians, as an Apoſtata, an Heretike, a Revolter from Chriſt, and an enemy to his owne State and Common-wealth: leaſt perhaps he might infect others by his example, or turne them from the faith by his commaund. And this is the certaine, reſolute; and vndoubted iudgement of the beſt Divines, ſaith themmReſp. ad Ed…ct. Reginae Anglia promalgat. 20. Novemb. Anno 1591 ſect. 2. Nu 157 pag. 149. Author of Philopater, who was either of Creſwell, or Parſons, asnnW. W. in his Quodlibers pag. 295. and in his booke of gr…ue Conſiderations &c. pag. one of the ſecular Prieſts confeſſeth. And in Bellarmine we read, thatooLib. 5. de Ro. Ponr Cap 7. Non licet Chriſtianis tolerare Regem haereticum, ſi ille conetur pertrahere ſubditos ad ſuam haereſin. It is not lawfull for Chriſtians to ſuffer an hereticall King to reigne over them, if he goe about to draw them to his hereſy. And thatppLib 3. de Luiti… Cap. 22. ſiquidem poteſt fieri, …t haeretici extirpantur… ſunt procul dubio extirpandi; ſi autem non poſſunt quia ſunt ſortiores nobis, et periculum eſt, ne ſi cos bello ag…rediantur, plures ex nobis cadant quam exill…, tunc qui…ſoend…on eſt. If it can be without loſſe of Papiſts, that Proteſtants may be rooted out, without all doubt they ought to be rooted out: But if it cannot be that without loſſe they may be rooted out, becauſe they are ſtronger then Papiſts, and if the Papiſts did aſſaile them, perhaps the greater loſſe would fall on the Papiſts ſide, the Papiſts p. 7muſt let them alone. According to your Divinity, there is nothing that excuſeth you from preſent blame, in that you rebell not, but want of ſufficient meanes. Which is confeſſed by Dominicus Bannes, the chiefe profeſſor of Divinity in Salamanctia in in Spaine: for, excuſandi Anglicani et Saxonij fideles qui non ſe eximuni à poteſtate ſuperiorum, nec bellum contra alios gerunt: quoniam communiter non habent facultatem ad haec bella gerenda contra Principes, et imminent illis grauia pericula. The faithfull in England & Saxonie (ſaithqqIn 2. 2 Tho. 9. 12. Art. 2 Col. 467. edit. Ro. 1586. he, meaning papiſts) are to be excuſed, in that they do not exempt themſelves from the power of their ſuperiors, nor beare arms againſt them: becauſe Generalls they hauehave no ability to warre againſt their princes, and great dangers hang over their heads if they ſhould attempt it. Now your prieſts labour to increaſe your number, and ſo your meanes, doe you not? And doe you not thereby labour to haſten Rebellion? Speake out prieſt, ſay the truth, ſhame the Divell, and ſaue the credit of your Religion if you can.rrSee W. W. in his Quodlibet… pag. 304. Is not your Religion and Treaſon ſo linked together, that you cannot play the prieſts, but you muſt play the traytors alſo.

5 Men ſay, Sir prieſt, that yourſſConverſ. pa… ▪ 2 Chap. 12. ſect. 16. Parſons commends thoſe Rebells as ſufferers for Religion, who were up in armes againſt King Edward 6, in the 3 yeare of his reigne; and for that inſurrection iuſtly ſlaine and put to death. Men ſay, that your ttMotiue 1…Briſtow, commends thoſe Northerne men who were put to death for Rebellion againſt Queene Elizabeth, in the 11 yeare of her Reigne, for Martyrs, p. 6yea glorious Martyrs. And I am ſure, that thatuuWilſon as Mr. Copley ſaith, cap. 2. ſect. 6. of his doctrinall and morall obſervation, pag. 12. Catholike prieſt who ſet vsus outxxAnno 1608. not long ſince (permiſſu ſuperiorum, with the approbation of his ſuperiours) the Engliſh Martyrologe, and the Catalogue of the late Martyrs in England, annexed thereunto: hath regiſtred therein, Garnet and Oldcorne, two of the powder Traytors, for Martyrs. And ſo hathyyApol. pro Hen. Garneto printed Colon. 1610. cap. 6. ſect. 6. p. 169. Eudaemon the Ieſuite in his Apology for Garnet. I find likewiſe, thatzzIn the margent of his Preface to his motiues. M^r. Sheldon, a prieſt of yours ſometimes, doth witneſſe, that one P: W. in a publike aſſembly, and in a publike panagericall Oration made for Garnets honour at Lovaine, prayed thus vntounto him: S. Henrice ora pro nobis. S^t. Henry pray for vsus. And I find alſo, that Clemens the Iacobin, who killed Henry 3 of France, by ſheathing a knife in his belly,aaThe ſtate of the Engliſh fugitiues, pa. 123. runnes in the number of Martyrs, and is intitled S. Clemens. And Guignard, who was put to death for commending Clemens his fact as heroicall: and tearming it a gift of the holy Ghoſt, isbbSee Reſutation of Cottons letter to the Queene Regent. pag. 14. put into the Catalogue of Ieſuiticall Martyrs, printed by the Ieſuites at Rome. Doth not this your commending of Rebells and Traytours, argue your affection to rebellion and treaſon? If Kings admit of any ſtrange rites in religion, they muſt bee murthered by your religion; for your ccInſticut Catho. Tit 23. Nu. 13. pag. 163.Symancta, in a booke of his dedicated to Greg. 13, which was printed at Rome 1575: andddEnchiridion Iudicum Tit. 21. Nu. 9. de Principibus pag. 70. in another dedicated to Pius 5, printed at Antwerp 1573, commends the Scythians for killing their King Scylen, propter exteras vitas, quia bacchan alibus ſacris externis initiatus erat: ſaying, they killed him iure ac merito.

6 You, Sir prieſt, hold it meritorious to kill p. 7princes. The Monke who poyſoned our King Iohn, eeIob. Mo…or de geſtio Schoforum lib. 4. cap. 3.Regem perimere meritorium eſt: thought it a meritorious deed to kill him.ffThuanus Hiſt. lib. 79. ad An. 1584. He that killed the prince of Orenge in the yeare 1584, was ſo well ſchooled by the Ieſuites at Auſpurge, and at Triers, and by a Franciſcan at Towrs, that his fact was commendable: and ſo fully aſſured by them, that if he were put to death for it, in Martyrumnumero collocatum iri, he ſhould be counted for a Martyr: that after he had done the deed, he could not be perſwaded that he had ſinned, ſed potiùs ea meruiſſe vt rectà in coelum tenderet: but rather that he had deſerved thereby to goe ſtraight to heaven. Parry who intended the murther of our ever renowned Queene Elizabeth, was incouraged thereto byggArnauld in his pleading againſt the Ieſuites. Hunnibus Cordreto a Ieſuite, who told him that he could not doe a more meritorious worke, then to kill a prince excommunicated by the Pope, and that the Angells would carry him vp to heaven. Yea Parry was incouraged thereunto byhhCambden. Annal. Anglic▪ ad An. 1585. pag. 386. Campeius the Popes Nuntio at Venice; and by Ragazonius the Popes Nuntio at Paris: and byiiSee the letter in Stowes Chronicle ad An. 1584. andin Bilſon of the Supremacy, part 3 a letter from the Cardinall de Como, wherein his reſolution was aſcribed to the motion of a good ſpirit: and wherein the Cardinall did promiſe him in the Popes name, beſides conſideration in earth, reward in heaven.kkIeſuit… Catechiſme li. 3. c. 4. Squire alſo was wrought vponupon by the Ieſuite Walpoole to kill Queene Elizabeth Anno 1597, the Ieſuite aſſuring him that the Act ſhould be a goodly ſacrifice vntounto God. And vponupon like motion, viz: the meritoriouſneſſe of the worke, wasllArnauld in his pleading againſt the Ieſuites. Barriere ſet on worke by Varade a Ieſuite, to kill the great King Henry of p. 6France. And in a word, in Queene Elizabeths time▪ mmCambden Annal. Anglic. ad An. 1584 p. 354.you divulged bookes, wherein you exhorted the Ladies about the Queene, to doe to her, as Iudeth did (to her immortall fame) with Holofernes, that is, to kill her. Are not Papiſts rare Iewells, and much to be eſteemed of by Kings and Queenes?

It is written by Theophanes, Codrenus, Zonaras, and others, that Greg: 2. excommunicated Leo the Emperour, and perſwaded the Italians to revolt from their obedience vntounto him. The truth of which (nnTo 9. Annal ad An 726. though it be denied by Baronius) yet is acknowledged by Bell. lib. 5. de Ro. Pont. Cap. 8. and lib. 1. de Tranſlat Impij Ro. Cap. 12. and by Binnius, To. 3. Com. Notis in vitam Greg. 2. pag. 177. who highly commends the Pope for doing ſo. Yea, its written byooDe vit. Pont. in Greg 3. Platona, that Gregory 3. deprived Leo of his Empire: and that principally, for that hee went about to deface Images. Its written in your bookes, thatppIn vita Greg 7 Platina de vita Pont. Gregory 7. depoſed Henry 4. from the Empire, for commanding the Cardinalls to repaire to him, to chuſe a new Pope: andqqCromerus de rebus geſtis Polon. lib 4 cognoſcenti Azorio inſtit. Moral. part. 2. lib. …1. cap 5. Boleſlaus the ſecond of that name, King of Poland, for killing of a Biſhop. Its written in yourrrC. 15. q. 6. Alius bookes, that Pope Zachary depoſed Childerik K. of France, for that he was not ſo fit for government as Pip in was: and thatſſPlat. in vita Bon…facij 8. and Azor. loco ſupra citato▪ pag. …66▪ Boniface the 8. depoſed Philip of France, for appealing from him to a generall Councell. Its written in your owne bookes, thatttAntonin. Hiſt. part. 3. Tit. 19. c. 1 ſect. 3. Innocent 3. depoſed Otho 4, for that contrary to his oath, he invaded the Churches patrimony, and our King Iohn of England, uuIoh. Maior de geſt. Scot. lib. 4. cap. 3.for that he ſought not abſolution at his hands, when the Realme ſtood interdicted. Its p. 9written in your bookes,…: in Sen … Cap: ad Apoſtolicam de Sen…. … reiudicata. that Innocent 4. depoſed Frederike 2. for apprehending his Cardinalls and Biſhops, as they were going to a Councell called by him: and thatuuSee Car…ius de poteſt. R…: Pont: …i: 2. c: 19. Nu: 27 Gregory the tenth tooke the Eaſterne Empire from Baldwyn the ſecond, who was lawfull heire to it, and gaue it to Palaologus, who had no colour of right to it. And thatxxMaſſ… de V…bis Epiſc: lib: 6. in vita Ioh▪ 21 et Cle…: 6.John 21 Clemens the ſixt depoſed Lewis the fourth of Bavaria, for holding opinion that the Emperour might depoſe the Pope, and place another in his roome. Its written in your bookes, thatyyCr…merus de Geſti… Polon▪ lib▪ 27. George King of Bohemia was depoſed by Paul the ſecond for hereſie: And that Iohn King of Navarre was depoſed by zzAuton: N…briſ: de bello Navarrenſ… Cap: 1, 2, 3.Iulius the ſecond, for favouring Lewis the twelfth of France, whom the Pope had denounced a ſchiſmatike: and that our King Henry the eighth was depoſed byaaSaunders de Schiſ: Anglic: lib: 1. pag: 108. …dit: 1586. Paul the third, eſpecially for beheading the Biſhop of Rocheſter: and Queene Elizabeth for ſuppoſed hereſies, by three of your Popes, one after another, viz. by Pius the fifth, Gregory the thirteenth, and Sixtus the fifth. So bold hauehave your Popes beene with Kings and Emperours de facto. But in as much asbbS…o in 4. ſen…: diſ…: 38. q. 2. Art 2. you hold, that Factum Pontificis non facit fidei Articulum: your Popes deeds make no Articles of beleefe: which I beleeue the rather, for that Silveſter ccIn ſumma. verbo. votam. ſect: … 5. quaritur.confeſſeth, he himſelfe had ſeene the Pope do many things cum ſcandalo totius Chriſtianitatis, to the offenſe of all Chriſtendome: there is another thing which it concernes Emperors and Kings, to take knowledge of, (though theſe facts of the Popes are alledged byddLib: 5. de Rom: Pont: Cap. 8. Bellarmine, andeeCarerius lib: 2. de Ro: Pont. Poteſtate Cap. 39. others, to proue the Popes right to depoſe Princes) p. 10and that is this. That in your bookes it is written, your Pope hath right,ffPlatina in vita Greg: 7. Imperia, regna, principatus, et quicquid habere mortales poſſunt, auferre, et dare, to diſpoſe of Emperours, Kingdomes, principalities, and whatſoever any man living hath. As (according to your learning)ggTract: de Rom: Eccleſia… primatu apud Bi…nium. To: 1. Conc: pa: 20. he may aperire et claudere ianuas regni coeleſtis quibus voluerit, open the gates of heaven to whom he liſt, and ſhut out of heaven whom he liſt: ſo he may auferre, et conferre regna quaecunque quibuſlibet; take the Crowne from any Kings head, and ſet it on an other mans head at his pleaſure. If an Emperour or King be haereticus, vel ſchiſmaticus, vel fautor, vel receptator, vel defenſor Hereticorum vel Schiſmaticorum: an Heretike, or Schiſmatike, or favourer of Heretikes or Schiſmatikes. If anhhAzor: Inſtit: Moral: part: 2. lib 10. c: 2. 20. quaeritur. et cap: 8. 3. qua…ritur. Emperour or King be aiiMoſconius de Maieſtate Eccle: Militantis lib: 2. de Imper. Reg. et Princip. part: 1. c: 2. pag: 661. Tyrant; and kkIbid.tenens Regnum contra formam iuris, et mentem Papae, dicitur Tyrannus: He who holds his Kingdome contrary to the Popes Law, and the Popes liking, is a Tyrant.llIdem pag: 660. If an Emperour or King be a ſacrilegious perſon, that is, ſuch a one as goeth about to infringe the liberties, immunities, and priviledges of the Church, either by laying hands vponupon Eccleſiaſticall perſons, or their goods: or taking vntounto himſelfemmAzor: …t Moſcon: locis citatis. Eccleſiaſtica iura, to be governour next vnderunder Chriſt of thoſe particular Churches, which are within his territories. If they deſpiſe Claves Eccleſiae, the Popes Suſpenſions. Interdictions, Excommunications. If they forbid Epiſcopos et Clericos ſuo officio fungi, popiſh Biſhops or Prieſt to ſay Maſſe. If they doe homines excellentes ſine cauſa perimere, hang prieſts who come into their Kingdoms p. 11ſteal the hearts of the people vntounto the Pope: If they doe baniſh popiſh prieſts out of their Dominions: If they diſſolue Societates aut Congregationes ad ſanctè honeſtè …. vivendum, that is, Monaſteries and Nunries: nnAlberius in legebene a Zen… ne de Quadrat: praſcript.If they oppreſſe or grieue populos ſibi ſubiectos, their Subiects.ooIdem in Dictionario verbo Para. If they governe their Kingdomes negligenter, ignavè, ineptè, et inutiliter, careleſly, and vnprofitably.ppMoſcon. lib. cita… pag. 681. If Leges contra Eccleſiae libertatem aut permittant, aut condant; they either make any law againſt the liberty of the Church, or ſuffer any ſuch Law made by ſome of their predeceſſors, to ſtand in force.qqGloſſa. in c. Si Papa. d. 40. If they commit any ſin, and will not be admoniſhed, by your booke learning, they are but gone men, they hauehave forfeited their eſtates into your Popes hands: yea though there be no fault in them, yet forrrCarerius lib. 2. de poteſtate Ro. Pont. Cap. 19. N… 27. publicum bonum, if it tend to the Popes profit, hee may vncrowne them, and beſtow all they hauehave vponupon ſuch, who had no title in the world to any part thereof, before the Pope gaue them all. And doth not this argue, that Kings by your learning are worſe then Copyholders?

8 You dubbe vsus with the name of Hereticke, affirming thataaBriſtow Metiu… 3. we moſt certainly are Heretikes, andbbMotiue 4. to be deteſted as Heretickes. Yea you ſay, ccReply to Fulk Chap. 10. demaund 46. pag. 37….Whoſoever is a Proteſtant, not ſo much as in any one point, ^x he is therefore a damnable Heretike. You I …orbid your Biſhops, your Archbiſhops, your Patriarkes,ddAzorius Inſti…. Moral. part. 1. li. 8 Cap. 16: 13. quoeritur. your Cardinall, (except they be Inquiſitors, or Commiſſioners appointed by your Pope to ſit vponupon hereſie) the reading, yea the keeping of any of our bookes. You cannot abide that p. 12one good word ſhould bee ſpoken of vsus: For, Epitheta honoriſ…a, & omnia in laudem haereticorum deleantur: Let all honourable Epithites, and whatſoeuer elſe in praiſe of Heretickes, be blotted out,eeI…dex lib. prohib. de Correctio. librorum ſect. 2. ſay you. IfffIn Addi… ad Euſebij Chr…nico…. ad An. 1521. Vlrichus Hutten a Proteſtant be commended for Eques Germaniae doctiſſimus, & Poeta laudatiſſimus, A learned Knight and excellent Poet. If ggIbid. ad Aun 1525. et a Beu…herifaſtis &c.Frederike Dnke of Saxony, a Proteſtant, be termed illuſtriſſimus, ſaepientiſſimus, Chriſtianiſſimus Princeps, an illuſtrious, wiſe, and Chriſtian Prince. If our Edward the ſixth be found praiſed, ashhIbid. admirandae indoli… adoleſcens, a Prince of admirable towardlineſſe, there ſhalliiIudex. lib. Expurg. Hiſp. pag. 93 et 148. deleatur be ſet vponupon the places: in the next Impreſſions ſuch commendations muſt be put out. Yea, you cannot finde in your hearts, that our bare names ſhould bee remaining in any bookes, vnleſſe we be namedkkAzor. Inſtit. Moral. part. 1. lib 8…. 16, 17, quaritur. per ignominiam et contemptum, with reproch and ſhame. And ſuch is your further hatred to our Princes, that you forbid the reprinting of ſuch Dedicatory Epiſtles, as learned men hauehave prefixed before their bookes for the eternizing of the memory of our Princes: witneſſe hereof yourllIuden Hiſp lib. …xpurg. Fol. 92. et. 150. note of detrahatur, reijciatur, deleatur, ſet vponupon three ſeverall Epiſtles, written by Hadrianus Iunius, and Iohannes Serarius, to our la…ee famous Soveraines, Queene Elizaheth, and King Iames. And ſo farre are you from approving of the keeping of a picture, either of Prince or people, thatmmAzor. lib. & cap. ſupra citat. … qua…rtur you account it (though it be kept in a Cloſet) a great preſumption, that the keeper thereof ſmells of hereſie. And ſuch is your burning charity towards vsus all, that you are not aſhamed to profeſſe p. 13nnMaldonat. Cō ment. in Ioh. 4. 9.John 4:9Certe p…riculoſiùs eſt cum Hereticis, quam eum Samaritanis, quam cum Gentibus, aut Mahumetan is agere: It is vndoubtedly more dangerous to hauehave any thing to doe with vsus, then either with the Samaritan or the Heathen, or with the Mahumetans. And thatooIbidem. Nunc qui verè Catholici ſunt, maiori odio Calviniſtas, cateroſ que omnes Haeriticos, quàm Gentiles proſequnntur: They who are thorow Catholikes at this day, doe more deadly hate Calviniſts, and all other Heretikes, then the Heatheniſh people. Yea you are not afraid to adjudge vsus all to the bo…omleſſe pit of Hell. For certaine it is, that whoſoever in this new faith and ſervice hath ended his life, is in Hell moſt certainly, ſaithppMotiue 36. Briſtow. And Fieri nequit ut Lutheranus moriens ſalvetur, Geheunam evadat, et aeternis ignibus eripiatur: ſi mentior, damner ipſe cum Lucifero. Let me be damned in Hell with the Divell, if any Lutheran be ſaved, if any Lutheran eſcape Hell, ſaithqqReſp… …tationem … propoſit. 8. pag. vltim…, Coſterus. And hauehave we not great cauſe to louelove you.

9 Ipſe iure priuatos eſſe haereticos omni debito fidelitatis, dominij, obligationis, & obſequij quo illis quicunque tenebantur aſtricti: That heretickes are depriued by law of all fidelitie, authoritie, bond and ſeruice, which any man owes them, is rr… Greg. 9. li. 5. Tit. de haeret. Cap. vlt. Symantha Iuſtit. Cathol; Cap. 45. Nu. 27. et 28.currant doctrine among you. Children; and ſeruants, and ſubiects to heretickes, owe no duty to their parents, maſters, or Soueraines. Per haereſin patris efficiuntur filij ſui iuris: if parents fall into hereſie, their children are left to their owne diſcretion, ſſCap. citato … 28.ſaith Sym…ncha. The parents that become Heretikes, looſe the ſuperiority and dominion they hauehave by law or nature over their owne p. 14children,ttAnſwer to the Execution of Iuſtice, Chap. 5 pag. 115. ſaith Allen. Domino civili, quod in ſervum dominus habet privatur Haereticus,uuLoco ſupra citato. ſaith Symancha. The very bond-ſlane (which is another kind no leſſe bound to his Lord and Maſter, then the Subject to his Soveraine, may depart and refuſe to obey his Maſter, if he become an Heretike: yea, ipſo facto, he is made free, xxLoco ſupra citato.ſaith Allen. Dominio politico quod habent Reges et Principes in ſuos ſubditos et vaſallos privati ſunt Haeretici,yyVbi ſupra. ſaith Symancha. Let no man mervaile that in caſe of hereſie, the Soveraine looſeth his ſuperioritie and right over his people and Kingdome,zzIbid. ſaith Allen. Popiſh wiues need not lye with their hereticall husbands,aaCatholica vxor haeritito viro debitum redderenō tenetur, quia ille incidit in adulterium ſpirituale. Nu. 27. ſaith Symancha. They owe no coniugall duty or debt in the caſe of hereſie,bbPag. 114. ſaith Allen, Such as hauehave any thing put into their hands to keepe,ccSymancha Cap. tit. Nu. 27. need not restore it to them of whom they had it, if they proue heretikes.ddIbid. Keepers of forts and townes may ſurrender them into the enemies hands.eeNon eſt dubiū quin poteſt quis eos licite defraudare. Reſ…l. quorundam caſuum Nat. Anglice. Caſus 4. 2. partis Cap. 2. Popiſh Pariſhoners may lawfully defraud Proteſtant Miniſters or their Farmours, of their Tythes, by your learning. And this being thus, can you be angry if Proteſtant Princes, and their ſubiects, who hauehave wiues, children, ſeruants, and money in other mens hands, doe wiſh you all. Vltra Garamantas & Indos, in the vnknowne world?

10ffBibl. ſanct. lib. 2. Verbo Traditiones. Sixtus Senenſis reports, That the Iewes are bound to raile vponupon all Chriſtians thrice every day: and to pray God he will roote out all Chriſtians, with their Kings and Princes from vnderunder Heaven. Sixtus ggIbid.reports, That the Iewes are commanded to account no otherwiſe of Chriſtians, then of Beaſts. That they hold it lawfull to ſpoile Chriſtians p. 15of their goods, and to bereaue them of their liues; to pull downe their Churches, to burne their Goſpell: yea,hhIbid. he reports, they belch out ſuch blaſphemies againſt Chriſt, as are fearfull to thinke vponupon, in no caſe to be ſpoken of. And yetiiReſolistio Caſ… um Nat. Anglo Caſus 9. part. 30 Cap. 2. I reade you hold, that we are Acerbiores hoſtes Chriſti, et multo-magis deteſt andi. more bitter enemies to Chriſt, and much more to be deteſted then they are: and thatkkEnsannel Sa. in Aphoriſ. verbo. Iudaeus. Iudaein…, ſunt prohibendi celebrare ritus, aut reficere ſuas Synagogas: the Iewes ought not to be reſtrained from the vſe of their Religion, or from repairing of their Synagogues: Yea, I read llRelation of the Religion vſed in the Weſt parts of the world.That your Pope licenſeth them to hauehave Synagogues in Rome, vnderunder his noſe: whereas we cannot bee allowed to hauehave a Chappell in any place where he ſwayeth. Now I deſire, that either ſome time, or reaſon, may be given, to juſtify your juſtifying of the Iewes before vsus: and your Popes ſuffering of them to profeſſe their Religion even before his face, denying vsus the vſe of ours in any corner of the world. And the rather I deſire ſome little ſatisfaction herein, for that ImmSyman…ha I… ſti…, Cathol. Cap. 35. N…. …. vnderſtand, all Iewes are forbidden to come into Spaine vnderunder any pretence, vnleſſe preſently vponupon their comming thither, they make it openly knowne they will become Papiſts. He that comes in another manner, forfeits both his life and goods, without any more adoe: For it ſeemes ſtrange to me, that the Popes whiteſt ſonnes, ſhould vponupon ſuch penalties debarre them acceſſe into Spaine; and that the Pope himſelfe ſhould admit them to come ſo neere his Holineſſe, and ſhew them ſo much favour.

p. 1611 By your doctrine Sir Prieſt,aaSymanch. Inſtit Cathol. Cap. 45. N…. 13. there is iuſt cauſe to warre againſt Heretickes; by Heretickes, you eſpecially meaning Proteſtants. By your doctrine, bbAllen againſt the Execution of Iuſtice, chapter 5.there is no warre ſo juſt, and honourable, be it civill, or forraine, as that which is waged for the propagating of your Religion. By your Religion, ccThuanus Hiſt. lib. 42. ad A…n. 1568. pag. 877.there can be no peace, yea there ought to be no peace made with Sectaries.ddIdeni lib: 65. ad An: 1577. pag: 152. Sectaries, that is, according to your learning, Proteſtants, are more eagerly to bee purſued with fire and ſword, then Turkes. AndeeSymanch: loco ſupra …itato. when warre is once proclaimed, any private man may take, ſpoile, kill ſuch Sectaries, and burne their houſes over their heads. Thus you. Profeſſing further. thatffPaulus Windek. in delib: de haeret: extirpand p. 414. Quod nonnunquam Catholici cum Sectarijs tranſegerunt, eo fine fecorunt, vt interea reliquis negotijs expediti, poſtea vnum hoc bellum contra Sectarios adminiſtrarent, oninem que eius molem in ipſos converterent. When the Princes of your Religion make peace with Proteſtants, they make it only for their owne advantage: as for example, to diſpatch ſome by-buſineſſes, which hinders them from falling on the Proteſtants with their whole force. Now this being thus, hauehave not Proteſtants iuſt cauſe to ſtand vponupon their guard, and to be ſuſpicious of all Treatiſes with popiſh princes; and jealous of all Truces and Leagues, though ſworne never ſo ſolemnly?

12 Your famous Biſhop Symancha writes,ggInstit: Cathol: Cap: 45: N…: 14. Haeretiis fides à privat… data ſervanda non eſt: Faith made to an Heretike by a private perſon is not to be kept. A private perſon may reveale an Heretike to the Inquiſitors, non obſtante fide et iuramento, p. 17though he hath bound himſelfe by an oath to the contrary. AndhhIbid. Nec fides a magiſtr atibus data ſervanda eſt haereticis: Faith made to hereticks by the Magiſtrate, is not to be kept. For ſo ſome ſay, that your Symancha ſaith, proving his aſſertion by this, that in the Councell at Conſtance, Iohn Huſſ, and Ierom of Prage were iuſtly burned, albeit the Magiſtrate had given ſafe conduct. AndiiApud Co…hlaum lib: 5. Hiſt: Huſſicarum. that your Pope Martin 5 writ to Alexander Duke of Lituaenia, ^b Scito te mortaliter peccare, ſi ſeruabis fidem datam haereticis: Know thou ſinneſt mortally, if thou keep thy oath with Hereticks. And that your Divines in France, An. 1577.kkThuanuo Hiſt: lib: 42. ad An: 1568. pag: 877. et lib: 63. ad An: 1577. pag: 123. Aperto capite in concionibus; & evulgatis ſeriptis, ad fidem ſectarijs ſervandam non ohligari principem contendebant, allato in eam rem Con. Conſtant. decreto, taught publikely both in the Pulpit, and by the preſſe. That Princes were not bound to keep touch with Sectaries, alledging to that end a Decree of the Councel of Conſtance. Now, and if oaths bind not (which inllSwear vntounto me by God, that thou wilt not kil. me, &c. 1 Sam 30. 15.1 Sam 30:15 old time were held the beſt ſecurity) what ſhould we ſay, but farewell truſt with you?

13 It is generally reported you teach, Aman framing to ^d himſelfe a true Propoſition, mmW. W. In his ſparing diſcovery of the Engliſh Ieſui…es, &c pag 11. printed Anno 1601. and in his Quodlibe…, printed 1602. pag. 66.when he is asked a queſtion, may conceale as much thereof as hee thinkes good. As for example. If one of you ſhould be examined, whether if the Pope did come in warr-like manner to invade this Realm: by force, he would take the Popes part or the Kings: that man framing this anſwer in his minde; I will take the Kings part, if the Pope will command me ſo to doe; may giuegive this anſwer lawfully: I will take the Kings part; concealing the p. 18reſt, and ſo delude the Examiner. nnNauar: in Manuali Cap: 12. Nu: 18. et P…t: Givvarain Compend: Navarri Cap: 12. Nu: 18.In like manner, if one of you having Horſe and Money, ſhould be importuned by one of your honeſt friends, (to whom you are not bound by law to giuegive or lend) to giuegive, or lend him Horſe or money, you framing this Propoſition in your minde, I hauehave neither Horſe nor money, to giuegive or lend: may ſafely ſweare, You hauehave neither Horſe nor money; and keep the reſt to your ſelfe, and ſo mocke your friend. Yea, it is generally reported thatooNauar: lib: Catal: Cap: 21. Nu: 18. you teach you may bluntly and abſolutely deny ſome truths. For Confitens non peccat mortaliter qui negat ſe admiſiſſe peccatum mortale alias legitime confeſſum: If a Traitor or murtherer, hauehave once lawfully confeſſed his Treaſon and murder: if afterwards he be examined, whether he ever plotted any treaſon, or committed any Murther: he ſins not mortally, though hee deny that he was at any time guiltie of ſuch crimes, ſay you. And if a man be examined of any fact of his, whereof the Examiner (as he thinks) knowes nothing: ſuch a man may ſweare he is innocent of ſuch a deed, according to your learning. Which appeares by thisppSee the proceedings againſt the late Traytors, printed An. 1606. that Garnet the ſuperiour of your Ieſuits here in England, having had conference with Hall the Ieſuit; being asked by the Lords of his Maieſties Honourable Councell, whether He and Hall, had conference together: he denyed it vponupon his ſoule, reiterating his deniall, with many deteſtable execrations, till he perceived that his fellow Hall had confeſſed it. In briefe, according to your learning,qqSoto Relect. Memb: 3. q: 3. pa: 306. If one of you ſee Peter kill Iohn, and come to be examined vponupon p. 19the poynt (if no body elſe ſaw) he may anſwer, That he knowes not, whether Peter killed Iohn, or no. AndrrSa: in Aph…riſ: de teſtibus. generally, if you be asked a queſtion not iuridically, you may anſwer, That you know nothing concerning it, provided you reſerue in your mind, Which you are bound to reveale. Now can ſuch aequivocation by mentall reſervation, and blunt deniall of knowne truthes, ſtand with plaine dealing,ſſEccluſ: cap: 37. ver: 23. truth and honeſty. In your r vulgar Latine we read, Qui ſophiſtice loquitur, odibilis eſt. He that ſpeakes aequivocally, is worthy of Tiburne. Wherefore you had beſt looke to it.

14. You commend a kind of blind-fold & ſottiſh obedience, ttMaſfau… de vi…: Ignat. lib. 3. c. 27which conſiſts in the Inferiours ſubmitting both of his will, and iudgment, to his Superiour. YouuuIbid. ſay, it is ſancta, ſapienſque ſtultitia: an holy and wiſe kind of ſottiſhnes.xxRibera Comment. in Amos 6. pag. 269.Amos 6 Omnes qui parent, ac preſertim Religioſi homines, capite carere debent. 1. Non ſuo, ſed Rectoris ſui concilio duci. All inferiors, eſpecially Religious perſons, ſhould be headles, meaning, they ſhould be directed, not by their owne wits, but by their Superiours. For prudentia quidem, nonobedientis, verum imperantis eſt. And it is not requiſite in an Inferiour, but in the Superiour, asyyApud Maſſaeum loco ſupra citato. Ignatius Loyola told a great Mounſier. By this the Inferiour is brought to be leeue,zzRibadenera de vita Ign…tij lib. 5. Cap. 4. Id rectum quodcun que ſit a ſuperioribus praeſcriptum. That whatſoever his Superiour bids him doe, its right. AndaaIbid. that he is bound to doe that, ad quod ſuperiorumpropenſum cernit, tamet ſi ille nihil precipiat: which he ſeeth his Superiour hath a mind ſhould be done, though he command it p. 20not to be done. He that is bleſſed with this,bbEpiſtola Ig…a…ij ae virtute obedientiae Nu: 16. he liſtneth to the voyce of his Superiour as to the voyce of Chriſt:ccMaſfaus lib: 3. vit: Igna…ij cap: 7 He delayes no time by examining the reaſons, of his Superiours command. ButddEpiſtola Igna…ij Nu: 18. ſine vlla proſus diſquiſitione: without reaſoning the caſe with himſelfe, he falls to his worke. eeRegul: Societatis Ieſuit: pag. 12. Edit. Lugd. 1004If the Iferiour be writing and the Superiour call him, the Inferiour may not ſtay the finiſhing of a letter, though it be begun by him,ffIgna…ij Epiſtola Nu. 18. If his Superiour command him to water a dry ſtick, ſet in the ground, till it grow and bring forth fruite, the Inferiour muſt water it ſo long.ggIn vit. Petrum par…. 2. de Obedidieni…a. If the Superiour command his Inferiour to fetch him a ſtone, which twenty men are not able to carry, he muſt attempt it.hhIbid. If the Superiour command his Inferiour to caſt his child into a River of waters, or into an hot fiery furnace, the Inferiour muſt caſt him in. Yea, you were wont to teach in plaine termes, hhIbid.That Inferiours may not intendere in mandata Dei: ſed patri ſu… ſpirituali, omnem voluntatem ſuam committere, qui illi per omnia obediens, non incurrit peccatum apud Deum: heed what God commandeth: but he muſt referre himſelfe wholly to the guidance of his Superiour, becauſe in obeying his Superiour in all things, he is quit from ſinning againſt God. Now I pray you, Is not this to make Inferiours bondmen to men, contrary to the Apoſtles Counſell, 1 Cor: 7. 23? Is not this in effect to bind men (as theiiRabbi. Selon. Iarch. in Deut 17. See. Iyra in De…. 17.Deut 17 Iewes did) to beleeue, that the right hand is the left, and the left hand is the right, if a Prieſt tell them ſo? Your Loyola, who was not aſhamed tokkMaffaus lib. 3. cap. 7. vi…. Igna…ij. ſay, that in verba Romani p. 21Pontificis pr…cipu… ſacramento iuraverat, he had bound himſelfe by the ſolemneſt oath to doe as the Pope bad him: and your Cardinall, whollBell lib 4 de Re. Po…t. cap. 5. writes, that Si Papa erraret pracipiendo vitia, vel prohibendo virtutes, teneretur Eccleſiae credere; vitia eſſe bona, et virtute… malas, niſi vellet contra conſcientiam peccare. If the Pope ſhould erre in commanding vice, and forbidding vertue, the Church was bound to beleiue, that vice was vertue, and vertue vice: vnleſſe ſhee was diſpoſed to ſinne againſt conſcience. Speake not ſo farre over herein, as in commending blind obedience, to every loggerhead Superiour, perhapsmmIgnat…j Epiſtela Nu. …. de vertute obeditntiae. both deſtitute of wit, and grace, for ſuch Ragguls this blind obedience is to be yelded. But I paſſe to another queſtion, wherein I require ſatisfaction.

15 Is it not true Sir Prieſt,nnConc. Lat. ſub Iaeone 10. et Synod. Trid. Seſſ 4. That by the late Orders of your Church, nothing muſt be publiſhed in print, except it be firſt viewed, and allowed by men thereunto authoriſed? And doth it not therevpon follow, in your opinion, (as well as in ooAuthor of ths grounds of the Old nd New Relig in his Anſwer to Mr. Craſhaw concern. Roman forgeries.ſome others of your fellows) that whatſoeuer commeth now forth ſeemeth to be approued by your Church? And if ſo, HaueHave you any cauſe, Sir Prieſt, to take your ſelues wronged, when you are charged with the opinions of this, or that, particular man, who hath written, ſince ſuch order was taken by your Church? Or any reaſon to thinke, rhat you hauehave quit your ſelues well, when being charged with readineſſe to Rebell, as ſoone as you are able to make your part good: and with commending of Traytors, and the doctrine of Aequivocation: p. 22You anſwer, that the proofes againſt you are not fetched from generall Councels: or Decrees of your Popes, but from particular perſons? Remember, Sir Prieſt, that your Churches viewing and allowing of particular mens opinions, makes them generall. And ſo that anſwer is proved idle.

16 By your doctrine, He ſinneth not, who hath probable reaſon for what he doth: For, Non peccat is, qui probabiliter licere exiſtimat id, quod agit, ppApol pro Gar…eto Cap. 10 Nu. 2. p. 27…. edit. Colon. 1610.ſaith Eudaemon a Ieſuite of yours. And Poteſt quis facere, quod probabili ratione, vel authoritate putat licere. A man may lawfully doe that, for doing whereof he hath either probable reaſon, or authority, ſaithqqSa. Aphoriſ. verbo. dubium. another of your Ieſuites. Now by your doctrine hee hath probable reaſon for that which he doth, who hath two or three graue Authors on his ſide. For, I ſee not how, without arrogant temerity, a Catholike man can affirme, the practiſe of Aequivocation (it being probable that men may aequivocate, becauſe two or three graue Authors ſay ſo) in time and place to be ſinfull, ſaith therrChapt. 4. Author of the Treatiſe of Aequivocation. Yea by your doctrine, he hath probable reaſon for that which he doth, who hath the opinion of one graue Author on his ſide. For Qui conſilio boni et periti viri aliquid efficit, prudenter et bene agit, quamuis re ipſa malum ſit, quod eligit. He that doth any thing by the direction of honeſt and wiſe men, doth both wiſely and well, though perhaps the thing bee euill which he doth,ſſInſ…i…. Moral par. 1. lib. 2. cap. 16. 2. quar…r ſaith the Ieſuite Anorius. And, In ſoro conſcientiae, ad effectum non peccandi ſufficit cligere pro vera eius opinionem, p. 23quem merito conſemus eſſe virum idonea ad id ſcientia, et conſcientia praeditum: It, is enough to cleare vsus in the Court of conſcience from ſin, if wee follow his opinion, whom vponupon good ground, we take to be a learned and a conſcionable man,ttManuele Cap. 27. Nu. 288. ſaith Navarrus. And this being thus, doth it not from hence follow, that they who take Creſwell, and Parſons, and Bellarmine, and Bannes, for learned and honeſt men, may put in practiſe, whatſoever one of them thinks lawfull?uuLib. 1. de Rego Cap. 7. May not they who thinke Iohannes Mariana (who holds it lawfull to poyſon Kings) a learned and an honeſt man, poyſon Kings without ſinne? May not they who thinke Garnet (one of the Powder traytors) a learned and an honeſt man,xxSee the preceedings againſt the late Traytors, printed 1606. by his example, and by his approving of the Treatiſe of Aequiuocation, aequiuocate with out ſinne? May not they who thinke Binetus a learned and an honeſt men conceale without ſinne whatſoeuer is told them in confeſſion, though that concealing coſt the liues of all the Kings in Chriſtendome, yea in the world:yyTeſte Caſa… bono in Epiſtola ad Frontonem Ducaeum, pag. 140. they knowing that Binetus was of that minde.

17 You teach, g that the Word of God is partly written, zzBellar lib. de verbo Dei non ſcripto, cap. 2.partly vnwritten, and the written word you call Scripture, the vnwritten Tradition. yet you vndertake to prooue diuers of your opinions both by Scripture and by Tradition: As for example, Praying to Saints, praying for the dead, ſetting vp of Images in Churches, and worſhipping them when they are ſet vp, Chriſts deſcention into hell: the virgine … perpetuall virginitie, &c. Now I would know with what honeſtie you can alledge Scripture for p. 24that which you ſay is a tradition, or tradition for that which you ſay you hauehave Scriptures? Can one and the ſame truth be written and not written?

18 You teach, thathhBellar. lib. 4. de verbo non ſcripto, cap. 8. it was not meete all myſteries ſhould be written in Scripture, iiCoſte…a… Apol. pro 1 Par. Enchy n…ra Go…eru To. 2.leſt every ordinary perſon ſhould come to the knowledge of them; and becauſe of the commonnes of them, contemne them. Now I deſire to know, why the myſteries of the Trinitie ſhould be written in Scripture, rather then thoſe myſteries you ſpeake of, if there be ſuch danger that ordinary perſons ſhould attain to the knowledge of whatſoever is written in Scripture; and vponupon the knowledge of them, ſhould contemne them. Secondly I deſire to know, why it ſhould be leſſe meete, that the myſteries you ſpeake of, ſhould be written in Scripture, then in the Fathers, and in your Catechiſmes? Ordinary perſons are as like to come to the knowledge of them by reading if not the Fathers, yet of your Catechiſmes, wherein you diſcourſe of them as large, as if they were written in Scripture. Are they not, thinke you?

19 Men ſay you teach, thatkkIoh. de Rada par. 2. Th…l controv. inter Sco…ū & Tho. cout. 20. act. 2. concluſ. 6. Licet praeceptum prelati ſit irrationale, & pro tali merito quandeque haberi poteſt, tenetur tamen ſubditus illud obſeruare: Though the commandement of the ſuperiour be vnreaſonable, and may well enough be thought ſo, yet the Inferiour is bound to obey it. Men ſay, you teach,llBellar lib. 4. de Ro. Pon…. Cap 5. & Car…ri… de poteſt Pont lib. 1 Cap. 13. Nu. 16. Si Papa erraret pracipiendo vitia, velpro hibendo virtutes, teneretur Eccleſia credere vitia eſſe bona, et virtutes malas; niſi vellet cōtra conſctentiam peccare: that if the Pope ſhould erre in commaunding vice, and forbidding vertue, the Church was p. 25bound to belieue (vnles ſhe would ſin againſt her, conſcience) that vice was commendable, and vertue diſpraiſable.mm…ar…l…le p… teſt Paep: cap: 41. pag: 341. Men are bound, Papae ſententiam' exequi, to put the Popes ſentence in execution, albeit they know it to be vniuſt. Any man Illaeſa conſceentia, with a good conſcience may execute the Popes vnlawfull mandate, by your learning. Now I pray you, how agrees this doctrine with that of the Apoſtles, Acts 5. 29. It is better to obey God then man?

16 Sir Prieſt, I reade in your bookes, that your Pope is calledaaConc: Floren…: Seſſ: vl…. Caput totius Eccleſiae, bbAn…n Puecius in Orat: habit: Seſſ: 9. Conc: …at: ſub Leone 10.Pater Eccleſiae, Filiu… Eccleſiae, Sponſus Eccleſiae, ccGrae…ſer: Tot. 1. defenſ: cap: 10. lib. 3. Beil. Col: 1450.Mater Eccleſia: The head of the whole Church, the Father of the Church, the ſonne of the Church, the Spouſe of the Church, the Church our mother. Now I would know of you, how hee can be the Church her ſelfe, and yet head of the Church, and the Churches huſband? How hee can be Father to the Church, and yet a ſonne of the Church? How without committing inceſt, the father may marry his daughter, the brother may marrie his ſiſter, the ſonne may marrie his mother?

17: I reade in your bookes, that your Pope is not onelyonly called the Vicar of Chriſt, and Succeſſour of S. Peter butddDiſt: 63. Ego …udo vi…us. …nifacius …: Apoſtolus in Epiſt: ad C…ert. Ar…hiep: Caut: apud Baron: Annal: To: 9 ad An: 740. S. Peters Vicar, andeeSacr…: …aer…m: Ro: Eccleſ: lib. 1. ſect: 1. Gabriel Patriarch. Alix…. in admon…e. …egatis a Cl…m. 8 data, quae habe…r ad finem. Annal Baron To. …. Nu. 4. Thom. A…tn. de Regimine P…ip l. …. c. 10. … de rempo…a Eccleſ. Mo…eh. l. …. c: 7. …atra de Offi…. Vicar… …. Chriſts Succeſſor in reſpect of the gouernment of the Church. Now here I deſire to know two things of you: firſt, how your Pope comes to be S. Peters Vicar, ſeeing S. Peter himſelfe is but a Vicar: and it is a rule in your Law, f Vicarius non poteſt ſubſti… Vicarium: A Vicar cannot ſubſtitute a Vicar Secondly, how without p. 26blaſphemie your Pope can be called Chriſts Succeſſour, ſeeing hee to whom another ſucceedeth in office, doth ceaſe himſelfe to beare that office; asggAct. 24.Acts 24 Felix did ceaſe to bee Gouernour in Iurie, when Feſtus came in place to be his ſucceſſour. I hope you doe not thinke that Chriſt, who endureth for euer, hath turned over all care of his Church to your Pope.

22 I reade in yourhhGene…r: Chron: l: 4 ad An. 1551 bookes, that in the yeare 1552. your Pope was intituled by a certaine Patriarke called Siud, The Peter of our time, and the Paul of our dayes: and thatiiBaron: ad finem To. 6. Annal. Clemens the eight was intituled by one Gabriel Patriarke of Alexandria, Tertius decimus Apoſtolorum glorioſi Domini noſtri Ieſu Chriſti, & quintus ſanctorum Evangeliſtarum: The thirteenth Apoſtle of our Lord and Sauiour Ieſus Chriſt, and the fift Evangeliſt. And that Genebrard approoved of the titles which Siud gaue; and Baronius of thoſe which Gabriel gaue. Now I deſire to know of you, why Genebrard ſhould like that any Pope ſhould be called the Peter of our time, ſeeingkkBaron Annal. To: 11. ad An: 1009. Sergius the fourth, being chriſtened Peter, vponupon his election to be Pope, in reverence to S^t. Peter, renounced the name of Peter, and tooke the name of Sergius: and ſecondly, how Clemens the eight can with any wiſedome be held the thirteenth Apoſtle of our Saviour Chriſt, and the fifth Evangeliſt, conſidering there were ſeven Popes of his owne name, and vponupon the point of 230 Popes of other names before him. For I cannot heare that he was ſuch an A perſe, as that he deſerued theſe titles rather then any of his predeceſſors. And if all or any of his predeceſſors deſerved p. 27to be called Apoſtles and Evangeliſts, Gabriel (in my opinion) failed in his Arithmeticke, when he termed him the thirteenth Apoſtle, and the fifth Evangeliſt.

23 I reade in your bookes, that the juriſdiction of your Pope is boundleſſe: His Dominion (as Chriſts, Pſal: 72. 8.) is from Sea to Sea, and from the River vntounto the ends of the world? Whereas the iuriſdiction of the reſt of their Cleargie hath narrower bounds by much. Yet I reade inmmHiſt…: 3. … 6. Euſebius of Chrytoferſons tranſlations, that in Traians time, Pope Clemens governed the Church of Rome; and Iohn the Evangeliſt the Churches in Aſia. Now I deſire to know whether this doth not argue, that Pope Clemens iuriſdiction was leſſer then S. Iohns, ſeeing it is apparent hereby, that Pope Clemens governed but one Church, and S. Iohn many.

24nnLeo 10. in … data Ro: S…ſſ: 11, Cō: Lat: An. 1516 quae habetur apud … Io: 4. Cont: p: 639. You teach, ſolum Ro. Pont. Conciliorum indicendorum plenum ius et poteſtatem habere. That your Pope only hath full right and power to call Councels. Now if that be true, I deſire to know how it came to paſſe, that he called none by the ſpace of a thouſand yeares and vpward to be kept at Rome, or ſome other place in Italy France, or Germany: but all in the …aſt, as namely at Nice, at Conſtantinople, at Epheſus, at Chalcedon, whither he could not goe in perſon partly for age, and partly for other lets. And why, hee diſliking both the place, and the time, appointed for the fourth generall Councell, did not appoint an other place, and an other time, but ſent thither his Legats at the Emperours commandement.

25ooBellar …. Cont: Cap: 11. You teach, that Councells, which want p. 28your Popes approouement, are of no great worth. Now, if ſuch doctrine went for currant of old, I deſire to know how it came to paſſe, that thoſe Fathers who were preſſed with the teſtimonies of Councels not approved by your Pope, as namely, Athana…ius, andppTo. 6. l. 1. cont. Maxim. in Arian. o… l. 3. c. 14. S^t. Auſtin: did never alledge that circumſtance in way of weakning their credit: much leſſe in way of making a Nullity of them.

20 I reade in your bookes,qqBellar lib. 1. de Ro. Pont, ca. 16. that S. Peter had authority over all the Apoſtles, and that the Apoſtles depende vponupon him, as vponupon their head and commander, who was to direct them, and to goe in and out before them, and to chaſtiſe them. I reade likewiſe, that after Saint Peters death, your rrIdem lib. 2. de Ro. Pont. ca 13.Popes ſucceeded him in tota ipſius dignitate & poteſtate, in all his dignitie and ſoveraignty. Now it is evident that diverſe of the Apoſtles ſurvived Saint Peter; as namely,ſſBaron. Annal. To. 1: ad An. 69. Nu. 34. S. Andrew, andttSophron. apud Hieron: de ſcript: Eccleſ: verbo Simon. S. Simon ſurnamed the Canaanite, (not in regard of his Countrey, but of his zeale,uuChap. 6. 1…. as S^t. Luke witneſſeth) andxxIerom. de ſcrip: Eccleſ: verbo Iohannes. Saint Iohn the Evangeliſt. Two of theſe, if not all three, lived till Traians dayes, in which time Linus, Cletus, Cleme…s, ſate Biſhops at Rome. Now my deſire is to know of you, whether you thinke Linus, Cletus, Clemens challenged any ſoveraigntie over Saint Andrew and Saint Simon the zealous, and Saint Iohn the Evangeliſt. Mee thinkes Saint Iohn yyIoh. 21. 20.John 21:20being the Diſciple whom Ieſus loued, Saint Iohn being the perſon who was allowed tozzIoh. 13. 23.John 13:23 leane on our Sauiours breaſt at the eating of the Paſseouer: S^t. Iohn being the man to whom our SaviouraaIoh. 19. 26.John 19:26 commended his Mother at his death: S. Iohn being ſuch a one, as that his wri…ngs p. 29are received for Canonicall: Me thinks (I ſay) …aint Iohn (not to ſpeake of the other two) ſhould …ot hauehave beene vnderling to theſe three Popes. Me …hinkes hee ſhould …ot hauehave depended vponupon them …s on his head for direction: Me thinkes they ſhould not hauehave had that ſuperioritie over him, that they might hauehave chaſti…ed him.

27 I reade in your bookes, that an Archbiſhop and Cardinall of yours, calledaaLib: de ſchiſm: Pont: iuter German: ſcript: pag: 703. Francis Zabarell, who lived about the yeare 1400 confeſſed, that certaine flatterers of many ages before his time, and till his time, had perſwaded the Popes, quod omnia poſſent, & ſic, quod facerent quicquid libere…, etiam illicita, & ſic plus quam Deus: they could doe all things, and might doe any thing, were it never ſo vnlawfull, and by that means they could doe more then God. And to tell you truly, I doe verily beleeue him. For I doe finde they were told, they might diſpenſebbC. 15. q. 6. Antoritatem, in Gloſſe. contra ius naturale, againſt the law of nature:ccExtra de conceſſ: praebend. … poſuit. in Gloſſao contra vetus Testamentum, againſt the old Teſtament: andddIbid. contra Apostolum, againſt the Apoſtle Paul. I finde they were tolde,eeExtra de tranſlit: Epiſco: cap: Qunato, in Gloſſa. De nihilo poſſent facere aliquid, they might of nothing make ſomething:ffIbid. De iniuſtitia facere poſſent iuſtitiam, they might make wrong right: andggIbid. in his quae vellent, ij… eſſe pro ratione voluntatem, they might doe as they liſt, and no bodie might ſay,hhIbid. Domine, …ur ita facis? I pray you ſir, why doe you ſo? I finde ſome taught,iiToſté Ioh: de Pariſii, de pose…ate Regis et Pepali cap: 23. that Si homicidium Samſonis quod ex: ſe malum eſt, interpretamur quod in ſtinctu divino fuit fanum, multo magis omne factum ſanctiſsimi Patris interpretari debemus in bonum: & ſiquidem fuerit …ur…m, vel aliud ex ſe malum, p. 30interpretari debemus, quod divino inſtinctu fiat, If we impute the ſlaughter which Sampſon made of the Philiſtians to an inſpiration of Gods Spirit, much more are wee bound to interprete in the beſt part whatſoever the holy Father the Pope doth: if it be theft, or any other thing which of it ſelfe is evill, (kkDict: 40. Non …os, in Gloſſa. as for example murther or adultery) wee muſt likewiſe impute that to the inſpiration of Gods Spirit. About the time Zabarel ſpeakes of, it ſeemes it went for currant, which is noted by a latellMaſſonus de vrbis Epiſc: li: 3. in vi…a Ioh: 9. Hiſtorian, Epiſcopos Romanos ne peccata quidem ſine laude committere, the Popes could doe nothing, were it never ſo miſchievous, but it was commendable. His geeſe were all ſwans: his vices were vertues. I reade in your bookes,mmMoſconius de maieſtate Eccleſ: Militantis, lib. … cap: 4. pag: 97. that men are bound to worſhip him with Dulia: and that ſome hauehave profeſſed in his hearing,nnApud Anton: in ſum: hiſt: part. 3. …: 22. ca: 27. ſect: 1. that they worſhipped him with Hyperdulia: and that in effect many hauehave given him Latriam. For to omit that ſome hauehave affirmed he wasooMarcel: in orat hab: ſeſſ: 4. conc: Iat: ſub Leon: 10 alter Deus in terris, a ſecond God vponupon earth.ppIoh: Aug: Panthaeus Venetus in Arte & Theor …ranſinutat. Metal: ad Leonem 10 impreſſ: Ve…e: An. 1518. Deus mortali… in terris, et immortalis homo in coelis: a mortall God vponupon earth, and an immortall man in the heavens.qqBaron. Annal. To. 7. ad An. 552. That hee hath ſo much greater power then any of the Prophets, quanto differentius prae illis nomen hareditavit, viz: Tu es Petra, &c: by how much hee hath a more excellent name given him then any of them had, to wit, Thou art a Rocke. Some of you hauehave given out, that hee is, rrMaſſ. lib. ſupra …itato ca. 1. p. 22non Deus, non homo, ſed vtramque, neither God, nor man, but both. Some of you hauehave ſtiled him, asſſIoh. 20 28.John 20:28 Saint Thomas did our Saviour Chriſt, with the titles oftt…xtra. Ioh. 22. eum inter in Gloſſa. Dominus Deus noſter, our Lord and God: p. 31and asuuApoc. 19. 19.Rev 19:19 Saint Iohn likewiſe did, withxxMoſcon. lib. citato pag. 26. Rex Regum, Dominus dominantium, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. Some of you now write,yyBaron. Annal. To 1. ad An. 57. Nu. 29. Chriſtus omnem quem a Patre accepit poteſtatem transfudit in ſuos: Chriſt paſſed over all the power which God the Father gaue him, vntounto his, meaning your Popes. Agreeably to others, who in former ages were not aſhamed to tell the Pope, thatzzPuccius Ora…. hab. in ſeſſ. 9. Conc. … ſub Leon…. 10. Tibi vni, to him alone was granted all power both in heaven and in earth. Yea, that there was in Popes all power ſuper omnes poteſtates tam coeli quam terrae, aaSteph. Patraecenſis orat. hab. Seſſ 10. Conc. Lat. ſub Laeone 10.aboue all powers both in heaven and in earth. I need not to tell you of the Biſhop who put vp a ſupplication to Pope Nicolas, in theſe words,bbFaexellus hiſt. sicu…. lib. 8. c. 4 Miſerere met, fili David. O ſonne of David hauehave mercy vponupon me: nor of the Religious perſons who came from Panormi and other parts of Sicily as Embaſſadours to Pope Martin the fourth, to craue his favour, who cried thrice thus,ccAntonin ſum. hiſt. part. 3. tit. 20. cap. 4. ſect. 3 Agnus Dei qui tollis peccata mundi, miſerere nobis: O thou Lambe of God who takeſt away the ſinnes of the world, hauehave mercy vponupon vsus: nor of him, who in way of proving your Popes omnipotency, bids his Reader note,ddVaraldus in candelabro aureo tit. de abſolutione Nu. 28. Quod in conceſstonibus vtitur illo verbo, Fiat, quo Deut vniverſum creavit orbem: that your Pope in ſubſcribing petitions, vſeth the word, Let it bee, by which God created the whole world: intimating, that as God, ſo your Pope by a word of his mouth may doe any thing: nor of them who againſt the comming of Paul the third vntounto the Citty of Tolentonum in Italy, ſet this inſcription over the gates,eeSee Morn…y de Eccleſia, cap. 8. & Moulius defence of the King, chap. 25. Paulo tertio, opt: max: in terris De…, To Paul the third, the beſt and greateſt God p. 32in earth. Now that which I deſire to know of yo… is, what difference in ſubſtance there is betweene many of theſe ſpeeches concerning your Popes, and theirs in the Acts of the Apoſtles, who applauding Herods Oration, cryed amaine,ffAct. 12. 22.Acts 12:22 Vox Dei & non hominis, the voice of God, and not of man? And whether your Pope be not as guilty as Herod was, who hearing with his owne eares diverſe of theſe blaſph…mous ſpeeches, and perhaps all by report, did neither reproue them vponupon his eare hearing them, nor cauſe them to be razed out of the bookes wherein they are written, having knowledge thereof at the ſecond hand.

28 I reade in your bookes, that you hauehave had many vnlearned Popes, not much wiſer then the aaGabri…l de Ba…a…te feri… 2. heb…. 3. de pr… …rat. confeſſ.Biſhop, who examining one that was to bee made Deacon, in ſtead of asking, Quot ſunt Sacramenta Eccleſiae? how many Sacraments are there in the Church? demanded, Qu…t ſunt ſeptē Sacramenta? how many are the ſeven Sacraments? To whom the Deacon anſwering, ſaid▪ Tres▪ The Biſhop replyed, In quibus? What call you them? And the Deacon tolde him, their names were, Thur…bulum▪ Aſperſorum, & ſancta Crux. For of Iullus the ſecond it is reported, that ſigning a warrant, in ſtead of fiat, he wrote fi… tur. And conſtat plures e rum ade… illiter atos eſſ… ut Grammati…am penitus ignorent; It is well knowne that many of the Popes were ſo vnlearned, that they knew not their Grammar rules, ſaithccLib. 1. cap. 4. adver … edit. antiquis. Alfonſ…s de C…ſtro. I reade in your bookes, thatſome of your Popes were ſilly creatures. You had one, whom yourddIoh: An … Baldu… … & ſer. …. Canoniſts vſually …al▪ vnum pec…s, in …o quod p. 33de mane fa…iebat gratia…, & de ſere … a very Aſſer: for that in the morning he would grant many men many kindneſſes, and at night revoke them all againe. I reade in your bookes, that you had one boy Pope of twelue yeares old,eeClab…r. Rod…l. hiſt. lab. 5. ca. v…t. viz. Benedict the ninth: and a May pole-morrice-dancer Pope offfBaron. Annal. To. 10. …d an. 955 … 3. 18 yeares old, viz Iohn 12. alias 13. who made the Lateran a plaine Stewes, asggHiſt. per …r… pum geſt. lib. 6. cap: 6. & 7. …itpra…us witneſſeth. I readhhMaſſon. de … Epiſ…: lib. 4. i… Ioh: 11. al. 12. that Iohn 11. was a baſtardly brat of Pope Sergius… and that you had aiiSee the book… intituled Pope Ioane. whore Pope called Ioane. I read that you had N…r omanticall Popes, ſuch as kkPlatin: in … Silve…l.Silueſter the ſecond, who gaue himſelfe to the diuell both body and ſoule, that he might attaine the Popedome.llIdem in vita Boniſ: 7. Theefe Pope, ſuch as Bo…fac… the ſeuenth, who robbed Saint Peters Church: Sodomiticall Popes, ſuch as Sixt… the fourth,mmAgripp… de … cap: 64. who built a famous ſtewes in Rome: peri…red Popes, ſuch as nnOnuph: addit: ad Plat: in vit… Gree: 12.Gregorie the twel…e. Ner…ticall Popes, ſuch as Honorius the firſt, condemned by theooAct: 12. & 13. 6. and 7. generall Councels for a M…n…th…lite. A…ſticall Popes, ſuch as Leo the tenth,ppAct: 7: in di… nit: Synodi. who called the Goſpell a … ble. qqBale.Apoſtaticall Popes, ſuch at thoſe fiftie, who as rr… lib: … ▪ ſect: … ▪.Ge…brard writeth, entred in, not by the doore, but by a poſterne gate. I reade thatſſ…. … Pontific…s videntur laborare vt quantum … …erunt ſupient…s & ſancti tantum … the latter Popes ſeeme to ſtriue▪ they may ſhew themſ…lmes as very fool…s and …, is the …ncient Popes ſtroue to approue their wiſedome and holineſſe to the world. Your … confeſſeth, that the later popes,ttChro…l, ad …. Chriſti, 970. … de …ep▪ tooke little care how the world went▪ uuAd Au: …26.A pretate veterum de. p. 34ge…era…runt, are growne out of kinde. YourxxRe…. 4. de p… …ſtate Pap…t … Conc. propoſ. 12. Victoria profeſſeth, they are priſcis illis maltis partibus in…eriores, farre worſe then their firſt predeceſſors. And inyyIn Formoſo 1. Platina I reade, that virtus et integrit… defecit, vertue and integritie is decayed in them: and inzzAd. …. 954. Faſciculus Temporu…, that Sanctitas illos dimiſit, holineſſe hath taken her leaue of them. Men of your ſelues write,aaGuicciar… hiſt. lib. 16. In Pontificib… hodie nemo ſanctitatem requirit: optimi putantur ſivel leuiter boni ſint, vel …inu mali quam caeteri mortales eſſe ſoleant: At this day no man lookes for any honeſtie in a Pope: th…y are accounted excellent good Popes if they hauehave but a dram of honeſtie; yea, if they ſurpaſſe not the wickedneſſe of other men. At this day the papacie is ſo dangerous, thatbb… in vit… Marcells ad finē Platine. Marcellus the ſecond proteſted he did not ſee, quomodo qui locum hunc l. tiſsimum tenent, ſalvari poſſunt, how a Pope can bee ſaved. Your SaintccA…on. hiſt par. 3. tit. 23. cap. 14. …. 1… Katharin of Sienna told Gregorie the 11. that in Romina Curia vbi deberet eſſe Paradiſus deliciarum virtutum, in veniebat foetorem▪ infernalium vitiorum: Whereas ſhe looked to hauehave found a Paradiſe of rare vertues in his Court, ſhee found in ſtead thereof a dunghill covered over with helliſh vices▪ the ſtench whereof ſhee ſmelt to Sienna, the place of her dwelling, an hundred miles off. And theddTh…od…ricus de Niem … in advoſa▪ …rac▪ 4. cap. 8. Virgine Mary told Saint Briget (as ſome of you ſay) that multi Pontifices ſunt in in…er…, many Popes are in hell. And you know thateeSylvarū lib. 1. Ma…tuans counſell was:

Viver… qui cupitis ſanctè, diſcedite: Roma,

Omnia cum lic…ant, non licet eſſe bonum:

He that deſires to liue honeſtly, let him bleſſe himſelfe p. 35from Rome: for a man may be there any thing ſaue honeſt▪ but honeſt he cannot bee in any wiſe. Now the queſtion wherein I deſire to bee reſolved by you, is, whether you thinke indeed, thatffLuk. 2….Luke 2 when Chriſt prayed for Saint Peters faith, hee prayed for the faith of your vnlettered Popes, ſheepiſh Popes▪ boy Popes, ſwaggering whore-maſter Popes, baſtardly brat Popes, whore Pope, Necromantical Popes, theefe Popes, Sodomiticall Popes, periured Popes, hereticall Popes, Atheiſticall Popes, and Apoſtaticall Popest For there is no queſtion butggIoh: 1…. 4…. Chriſt obtained alwayes the things which hee prayed for: and me thinkes there ſhould be no queſtion, but when our Saviour prayed for Saint Peters faith, that it ſhould not faile, by the name of faith, he meant a liuely Chriſtian faith, which workes by louelove, and whichhhRom 3. 2….Rom 3:2 embraceth the promiſes of the merciemercy of God; which whoſoever hath,iiIoh: 6▪ 17. hath aſſurance of eternall life▪ and if ſo, how is it credible that he prayed for all theſe?

29 Your Sixtus. 5. cauſed you vulgar Latine to be corrected, and printed at Rome in the yeare 1590. kkB…ron. Annul. To. …. ad … ▪ 23… N…. 62.The paines hee tooke therein, as it ſeemeth, was wonderfull. For not withſtanding all other his papall buſineſſe, heellAngelus … comment. de …. Vat…ca S. …. 5. condita pag. … read over every word of the Bible before it was printed, and after too, correcting with his owne hands the … of the print. Then hee publiſhed it, and printed his B…l before it in ſtead of a Pre…ace, ſignifying therein that his good will and pleaſure wa…, that this onelyonly ſhould goe for Authenticall▪ and that … impreſſion… in time to come, ſhould be … to it, without any change▪ without taking away▪ or adding ſo p. 36much as a letter▪ and that all former impreſſions, yea and Manuſcripts differing from this, ſhould bee of no credit▪ and all this he required vponupon paine of the greater excommunication. Yet after the death of Vrban 7. Greg. 14. and Innocent 9. ſucceſſours of Sixt… ▪ 5.nnA…no 1592. comes Clemens 8. and hee ſets out another Bible, differing much from that of Sixtus in many materiall poynts; avowing that this Edition of his, is (doubtleſſe) better then any Edition whatſoever heretofore imprinted. Now that which I deſire to know of you, is, whether Sixtus erred in commending his Bible, or Clemens in commending his Bible, or both of them in their ſeverall commendations: for I thinke you will not ſay, commending bookes ſo different, they both ſpake truth.

30 Sir Prieſt, is not this ofaaIn Sym…: To: 2. operum Athanaſ: edit. Com…l…. Anno 1600. Athanaſius good Divinity, Filius à Patre ſoloeſt, nec factus, ne… creatu…: The Son is of the Father alone, not made, nor c…eated? If ſo, then I pray you tell mee, how without blaſphemybbDiſcip: de Tēp: fe. 111. Caſſanaus Catal: glori…e mū di par: 3. confid: 3 fol. 4. Biel. lect. 4 …. M…ſſ…. you can ſay, Sacerdos eſt creator ſui Creat…ris, A Prieſt is the creator of his Creator? meaning Chriſt the Sonne of God.

31▪ Againe, if it be currant Divinity which the ſameccI…o ſupra ci…to. Athana…ius delivers, Chriſtus Deus ex ſubſtantia Patris, homoex ſubſtantia matris: Chriſt is of the ſubſtance of his Father as he is God, and of the ſubſtāce of his mother as he is man: Tell me where the witt of your Iohn▪ 22. was, whenddHoreb: Virg: … ſancta f…ecles▪ fol: 68. edit: Pariſ. 1516. he ſaid, Rex fit ex pane, The King (meaning Chriſt, the King of heaven) is made bread. And why you are not aſhamed to retaine in your Canon Law theſe words,eeDe conſe…: d: …. …: 72. vtrum ſub. Corpus Chriſti & ſa…gui…, expanis & vini ſubſtantia efficitur: The p. 37body and bloud of Chriſt is made of the ſubſtance of bread and wine.

32 If it be true whichffDe Civit: …, l. 1. 29. Auſtin ſaith, that God is nuſquam incluſus, penned in in no place: and that the greatgg…rip. in Cyclop Act: 4. Clyclops (when Vlyſſes told him, that the wine which he had in a bottle, was the god Bacchus) did not without cauſe in a wonderment reply, what? A god in a Bottle? I pray you tell me, why you pen vp your Sacrament, whichhhAllen de ſacrific Euch cap. 41. & Briſto Motiue 26. you acknowledge for your God, in a pixt or in a boxe? Of a bee in a boxe, I hauehave heard much by many; but of a god in a boxe, I neuer heard but by papiſts.

33. If it be euident that they are no gods, whoſe prieſts keepe their Temples with dores, and with lockes, and with harres, …eſt their gods ſhould bee ſpoiled by robbers, asiiVerſe 17. Baruch ſaith in his 6. Chapter, which goes for Canonicall Scripture with you. If they, who cannot de…end themſelues from thee…es and robbers, deſerue not to be reputed gods, as the kkVerſe 56.ſame Author ſaith. IfllHom. 56. in Gen. 31.Gen 31 Chriſoſtome iuſtly derided Laban, when he ſaid: O excellentem inſipientiam! T… les ſunt dij tui, vt quis eo… furari poſſit? Non erubeſcis …cere, Quare furatus es deos …eos? O notable foole…rie! Are thy gods ſuch gods as may be ſtolne? Art thou not aſhamed to ſay, Why haſt thou ſtolne my gods? Why ſhould not you and your fellowes ſir prieſt, be whoopt at▪ for holding the Sacrament to bee God, which for feare of ſtealing,mmLindwood conſti…. Pro…i…. lib. 3. Titulo de cuſtodis Euch…r. … clauſura, in c. digni…imum.Prov 1 you would not hauehave hung ouer the high Alter vnderunder a Canop…, but reſerued in a ſurer place, vnderunder locke and key.

34. If it bee euident that they be no gods, which cannot be preſerued from ruſt and wormes▪ which p. 38feele not when things which creepe out of the earth ea… them, as it ſeemes bynnChap. 6. v. 11. 19. Baruch before mentioned: ſeeing it is the generall doctrine of your Church.ooIoſeph. Angles …lores. Queſt: Theol: in 4. Sext: part: 1. q: de ſuſcept: Euch: ad 3. difficultat: 2. pag: 96. That wormes may breed in your Sacrament: that bruite beaſts, hogs, dogs, mice, choughs, &c. may eat …. Are not you ſingular o…-caps, to hold the Sacrament for your Lord and your God?

35 Ecuqem …m amentem eſſe putes qui illud quo v… catur deum credat eſſe? Thinkeſt thou there is any man ſo mad, that holds that for his god, whereof he eates? ſaithppApud Cicer: l. 1 de Nat. deorum. Cotta. Quomodo quis ſanae mentis deum nuncuparit id, quod vero Deo oblatum, tandem ipſe comedit? How can any man of reaſon thinke that to be god, which hee offereth in ſacrifice to the true God, and afterwards eates thereof himſelfe? ſaith qqQuaeſt. 11, in Levit.Theodoret. And if this be true, doe not you deſerue to be ſent to Bedlem for eating the Sacrament, which you call your Lord and your God? Auerroes (rrEſpane. de Euch adorat, lib. 4. …. 3 they ſay) profeſſed that he had travailed a great part of the world, and that hee had ſeene many men of different Religions, and yet hee found not any, Christiana deteriorem aut tam fatuam, worſe or fooliſher then the popiſh Chriſtian, Quia Deum ſuum q…e… co…une, dentibue devorabant, becauſe they tare him with their teeth, whom they worſhipped for their god.

36 The God of right beleeving Chriſtians is ſſ1 Ioh: 5. 20.life it ſelfe, and giues life to others, eventtIoh. 6.John 6 everlaſting life to them who eate him, as the Scriptures ſpeake of eating him. But your God is ſuch a God, and your faſhion of eating ſuch an eating, as that a man by eating your God after your faſhion, may eaſily p. 39be poyſoned. And I pray you then, how can your God bee reputed the God of right beleeving Chriſtians?

That a man maybe poyſoned by eating your God (that is, the Sacrament) after your faſhion, it is plaine by diverſe examples, For,

Victor 3. one of your popes, Fuit extinctus per venenum in calicem miſſum, was killed with poyſon in the chalice, ſaithuuIn Chron: ad An 1005. Polon…, andxxFaſ. …c. Temp: ad An. 109…. others.

Henricus Archiep. Eborac…ſ. cum diuine celebraret myſteria, hauſto in ipſo calice (vt aiunt) ve…eno obijt: Henrie Archbiſhop of Yorke died (as they ſay) of poyſon, by drinking of the Chalice when he adminiſtred the Sacrament, ſaithyyHiſt: Augl: in vita Step…an: A…: 115. p: 122. Mathew Paris.

Henricus 7. Imperator intoxicatus fuit ſumendo Euchariſtiam, Henrie 7. Emperour of Rome was poyſoned in receiuing the Sacrament, ſaithzzAd An: 1314. Faſciculus Temporum.

Nuper Prior noſter miſericordia Venetijs veneno in calice ſublatus fuit: Of late a prior of ours in Venice was kild with poyſon put into the Chalice, ſaith aaSee Moni…a Polici…, impreſ… Francofurt.Iohn Baptiſta Leo Embaſſadour to the Duke of Vrbinus.

37. AbbApud Gui… mundum lib: … de Sacram. Synod of your Biſhops in Italy decreed, That when the true fleſh of Chriſt and his true blood appeare at the celebration of the Sacrament in their proper kind, both the fleſh and the … ſhould be … in the midſt of the Altar for ſpeciall relikes. Now I would know of you▪ Sir prieſt, what reaſon you hauehave to make a relike of your god. Is it not enough for you to reſerue Relikes of Sainte, but you muſt reſerue Relikes of god, the ſanctifier of Saints, yea God himſelfe for a relique.

p. 4038. I read that youccSumma Angelica, verbo Miſſa Nu: 18. & verbo …uchariſtia, ſect. 3. Nu. 5. preſcribe, Si muſca vel arenea cadat in calicem poſt conſecrut…nem, &c. If either flie or ſpider fall into the Chalice after the words of conſecration, ſo that there be feare of poyſoning or prouocation to vomit; the prieſt ſhall take ſanguinem illum, & igne combur at cum alique ſtupa, vel p… mo lineo in ipſo madefacto, that blood, and burne it by the helpe of ſome tow or linnen rods dipped in it. Now whether it be poyſoned or not poyſoned, whether it be ſuch as will prouoke vomit or not prouoke vomit, as long as the ſpecies remaines, it is your God: And how then can you cleare your ſelues from burning of your God.

39. I read you teachddConc: …id: Seſſ: 22. …an. 1. that in your Maſſe, Chriſt is truly and properly ſacrificed by you: and withall I read you teach, thateeBellar: lib: 1. de Miſſa, cap: 1. whatſoeuer is truly and properly ſacrificed, if it be a liue thing, it is killed. Now I would gladly know of you, if this be thus, how you can excuſe your ſelues from killing of Chriſt: for Chriſt whom you ſacrifice truly and properly, as you ſay, is a liue thing?

40. I read you teach,ff…ellar: lib: 1. de Miſſa. cap: 12. Perconſecrationem fit vt Chriſti corpus vere & viſibiliter adſi… ſuper menſam: that by conſecration Chriſts body and blood is truly and viſibly vponupon the Altar. Viſibly, ggAlex: lib: 1. de Euch: Sacramen: cap: 37.not meerly in regard of the ſp…cies vnderunder which they lie, but ſimply and properly; yet I neuer met with papiſt hitherto, who durſt venture his credit, that if his conſecrate hoſt was ſhuffled with vnconſecrate hoſts, or his conſecrated chalice ſet among vnconſecrated chalices, he was able by ſight to diſcerne which was his God? Dare you, Sir prieſt, venture a booke offixe p. 41pence price, that your ſight will ſerue you better?

41 Yourhh…: in Hebr 1. 6.Heb 1:6 Rhemiſts tell vsus, whereſoeuer Chriſts perſon is, there it ought to be adored of men and Angells. And vponupon that ground (I thinke) you imagining that he is in the Prieſts hands at the elevation in the Maſſe, and in the Pixe which is carried by the Prieſt when he goes to viſite the ſicke; you bow or fall downe vponupon your knees adoring him. Now I would gladly know, why you bow not, or fall not downe vponupon your knees before every Communicant vponupon his receiving of the Sacrament; ſeeing according to your doctrine, every of them receiues his maker, he is in every of their bellies.

42 I am told you teach,iiBellar: lib: 4: de Euch: e. 16. that there is no Tranſubſtantiation, except he be a Prieſt who conſecrates, andkkIdem lib. 1. de Saca…: in genere. c: 27. hauehave an intent to conſecrate. Yea, I am told that ſome ofllIoh: de Combis in compend: Theol: lib: 6 cap: 6. you teach, that to Tranſubſtantiation Non ſolumre quiritur intentio conſecrantis, ſed etiam intentio iſtud Sacramentum inſtituentis: It is not onelyonly requiſite that the Prieſt hauehave an intent to conſecrate, but that Chriſt hauehave an intent alſo that hee ſhall conſecrate. Now ſeeing it is confeſſed by divers of you, thatmmPa…lus Langius in C…r n: Cib: ad An: 1514 Ioh: Franc: lroin Theſan…o Foro Eccleſ: par…: 3 do prohibis: & pran ijs. Nu: 57. ſome hauehave taken vponupon them the name of Prieſts, who were none:nnBo…in Damou… mani…. lib: ca: 5. Ni…: Plow: …ract: de Euch: ſome being Prieſts, hauehave vſed the word of conſecration, without intent to conſecrate; and oſometimes Chriſt is not diſpoſed the Prieſt ſhould conſecrate, though he ſpeake the words,ooIoh: de Comb: loco ſupra citato. and purpoſeth to conſecrate: I would know how any Papiſt can poſſibly know, when any of your hoſts are tranſubſtantiated, and when hee may ſafely adore it? Becauſe except there be Tranſubſtantiation, p. 42he committeth Idolatry in adoring; adoring bread and wine the creatures in ſtead of the Creator?

43 Iram Iudicis placare neſcit oblatio, niſi ex munditia placeat offerentis, ideirco non Abel ex muneribus, ſed ex Abel munera oblata placuerunt: prius namque ad eum legitur, Dominus reſpexiſſe qui dabat, quàm ad illa quae dabat: No ſacrifice is acceptable to God, except the ſacrificer be acceptable; and therefore it is, that God had not reſpect to Abel becauſe of his offerings, but hee had reſpect to the offerings becauſe of Abel: for it is written, that God firſt reſpected the giuer, before hee reſpected the gift, ſaith ppLib. 23. Expoſ: on Iob. c. 31. cap: …Job 31Saint Gregory, And if this be true, I would know how you can auoide the acknowledgement of this paradoxe, viz. That God is better pleaſed with your Maſſe-prieſt then with his Chriſt: or rather this, That God reſpects his Chriſt for your Priſts ſake, and not your Prieſt for his Chriſts ſake; ſeeing your Maſſeprieſts are the ſacrificers, and Chriſt himſelfe (according to your learning) the ſacrifice: eſpecially this being conſidered withall, that your prieſts, after conſecration,qqforeign Miſſ…. pray God he will vouchſafe to look downe with a mercifull and chearefull countenance vponupon the things offered, (to wit, Chriſt in your learning) and to accept them, as he did vouchſafe to accept the offerings of his righteous ſeruant Abel. For it ſeemes by this prayer, that the Prieſts preſume more of their owne credit with God, then of their offerings, in that they deſire the gifts may be accepted at their requeſt, and not they for the gifts.

44 It is plaine by Scripture, that Abraham Iſaak, p. 43Iacob, Moſes, Dauid, &c. were holy men, and in great fauour with God. For we reade in Scripture, that Abraham is termed the father of the faithfull, Rom. 4. 11. and the friend of God, Iames 2. 23. that Iſaack was the child of promiſe, Gal. 4. 28. that Iacob was beloued of God, Mal. 1. 2. and preuailed with God, Gene. 32. 28. that God ſpeake to Moſes face to face, as a man ſpeakes to his friend, Exod: 33. 11. and that there aroſe not a Prophet ſince like Moſes, Deut 34. 10, that Chriſt was Dauids Sonne, Math. 15. 22. and Dauid a man after Gods owne heart, Acts 13. 22. But it is not plain by Scripture, nor by any ancient approoued Author, that your George, your Chriſtopher, your Katharin, your V…ſula, your Margaret, were holy perſons, and in great fauour with God: yet you make ſpeciall prayers to theſe, and none to Abraham, Iſaak, Iacob, Moſes, or Dauid: whereof I deſire to know the reaſon. For me thinks it is groſſe foolery, to neglect the old approoued Saints, and to dote and rely vponupon younger, of whoſe ſanctity, yea of whoſe entity, we hauehave no certaintie.

45 It is written in your bookes,Bernard de … in Mariah, par…, 12. ſer: 2. de 10. ronat: Mariae, par: 1. Excellen. 6 that Maria apud Deum omnibus Sanctis potentior eſt, Maria ſola plus poteſt apud Deum impetrare, quam omnes Sancti in coelo: The virgin Mary can prevaile more of her ſelfe alone with God, then all the Saints in heauen beſide. Yea, it is written by Ludolphus, and Cryſoſtome a viſitatione, that velocior eſt nonnun quam ſalus inuocato nomine Mariae, De vita Ieſu par. 2. c. 68. fol. 257.quam inuocato nomine Domini vnici Filij eius: men oftentimes finde more preſent helpe vponupon their praying to our Ladie, then vponupon their praying to Ieſus Chriſt. And in Diſcipulus de p. 44Tempore we reade,Lib: 2. de verbis Dominoe al filiū ia Nupiijs, ca. 2. ſer: 161. de Sanctis. Nihil nos Deus voluit habere quod per manus Maria non tranſirit: Gods will is, we ſhall hauehave nothing which paſſeth not by the virgin Maries fingers. Now if this be true, I would know why men ſhould not pray to the virgin Marie only, who is ſo gracious and omnipotent, and ceaſe to trouble (if not Chriſt, yet) the reſt of the Saints, which in compariſon of her are ſo graceleſſe and impotent?

46 I heare you ſay,Kelliſon in his Survey, lib: 3. cap. 12. nu. 17. The Iapouians pray to their Saint Amida. D… ſalutem Amida. Meffoeus ſele… Epiſt ex India. lib. 4. pag: 209. that when you deſire our Lady and other Saints, to ſend you health, or to giuegive you grace, and to hauehave mercy on you; your meaning is not other, then to deſire them to procure of Chriſt by their prayers and interceſſions thoſe benefits for you. But here firſt I deſire to know, if you meane no worſe, why you ſpeake ſo harſhly? Certainly the rich Glutton, Luk… 16. 24. when he prayed, ſaying, Father Abraham hiue merciemercy on mee. had a further meaning, then to deſire Abraham to pray for him. And the Patriarke Iacob, when his wife Rache… ſaid vntounto him, GiueGive me children, or elſe I die, Geneſ: 30. 2. ſuppoſed ſhee had a further meaning in thoſe words, then to deſire him to procure her children of God by his prayers, for elſe why was his wrath kindled againſt her for ſaying ſo. Secondly, I deſire to know, if you meane no other, why you tell vsus ſo many tales of the Virgine M…ries deſcending from heaven to helpe her ſuppliants on earth: and of other Saints perſonall and actuall performance of ſuch things as were begged of them. It is written in your bookes,Caeſar. Dial lib 7. That a Prieſt hauing his tongue cut out by heretickes, cap. 24. Diſcip.vponupon his mentall prayer to the Virgine Marie, lib. de mir…culis B. Virginis, Ex…up 30.had another put i…. The Virgine Marie, digitis p. 45…ri …, putting her finger into the Prieſts mouth (it was well he bit her not) faſtned him in a new tongue. She helped him not with her prayers, but with her fingers.

47 In the ſame bookes of yours it is written,Caeſar: Dial: lib: 7. cap: 25. That the Virgine Marie preſcribed phiſicke to a boy with aſcald head, who vſed to pray to her: and that by laying her owne hands on his head, ſhee preſer…ed him from head-ach for euer. By phyſicke, and other meanes then prayers, ſhe cured the boy of his infirmities. In the ſame bookes it is written,Diſcip: lib: citat: Exempl: 35. That a good fellow callad Peter, prayed to the Virgine Mary for helpe: and that ſhee appeared to him with Hyppolitus in her companie, commanding Hyppolitus to helpe him: which Hyppolitus did, not by praying for him, but by binding vp his ſores with his hands Chirurgeon-like. In the ſame bookes it is written, that an Abbeſſe, who was with child by an officer of hers,Diſcip: Exempl: 24. prayed the Virgine Marie to helpe her at a dead lift, and to ſaue her credit: which the Virgin Marie did, not by praying for her, but by bringing two Angels with her, who played the midwiues, helping her to be deliuered of her child inſtantly, and carying it (by the virgin Maries appointment) to an Eremite, commanding him in the virgin Maries name to keepe it till it was ſeu…n yeares olde. In the ſame books it is written,Caſar: Dial: lib: 7 ca: 35. & Di… cip: Exem: 25. that the virgin Marie ſaued likewiſe the credit of a whore N…nne called Bea…rix, not by praying for her, but by perſonil ſupplying of her place in an Oratorie; by the ſpace of fifteene yeares together, whileſt ſh…e rann… a wooring after a whorem nger Prieſt, Annal: To: 6. al an: 449. …: 39.and no body knew ſhew as miſsing. Your Cardinall Baroniu… tells vsus ſoberly, that Leo 1. having written p. 46an Epiſtle to Plavianus Biſhop of Conſtantinople againſt Entyches and Neſtorius, he layed it vponupon St. Peters Tombe, praying him inſtantly, that if there were any errour, he would amend it: and that after certaine dayes (it ſeemes S. Peter tooke him to conſider well of it) S. Peter appeared vntounto Leo, and told him that he had amended it. Whereupon Leo ſu… mens Epiſtolam de ſepulchro B. Petri, aperuit eam, & invenit Apoſtolica manu emendatam: the Pope taking the Epiſtle away, and opening it, hee found it corrected with the Apoſtles owne hand. Which ſtorie ſeemes to argue, that when Leo deſired Peter to amend his Epiſtle, he meant more then to deſire him to procure it amended of God by his prayers.