More Work for a Mass-Priest, Text

More Work for a Mass-Priest · Text

p. 1MORE VVORKE FOR A MASSE.

PRIEST.

1 SIr Prieſt, I pray you tell me of what Order of Prieſts you are; whether of the Order of Auron, or of the Order of Melchiſedek, or of the Order whereof the Prieſts of Baal were. Saint Paul witneſſeth, that aaHeb. 7. 12.Heb 7:12Aarons prieſthood is changed; and that Melchiſedeks is ſuch, as bbVerſ. 23. 24▪paſſeth not from one vntounto another: ſo that (for any thing I ſee) you muſt hold of Baal.

2 By your doctrine, ſir Prieſt, when your number is ſo increaſed, as that you be able to make your part good againſt our noble King, you are bound in conſcience to rebell. For, ccPhilopat. Reſp ad edict pro…lgat. 29 Nou…b. A…. D…m. 1591. ſect. 2 nit. 157. pag. 149.Eſt certum, & deſide, quemcunque Principem C…riſtianu… ſi à religione Catholica manifeſte deflexerit, & alios auocare voluerit, ex…idere ſtatim ab omni poteſtate ac dignitate, & ſubditos poſſe ac deber… (ſi vires habeant) iſtiuſmodi hominem p. 2dominatu abijcere. According to your diuinitie then▪ there is nothing that excuſeth you frō preſent blame, in that you rebell not, but want of ſufficient meanes, which is confeſſed by Dominicus Bannes the chiefe Profoſſor of Diuinity at Salamanca in Spaine: for, Excuſandi Anglicani & Saxonij fideles qu▪ non ſe eximunt a poteſtate ſuperiorum, nec bellum contra illos gerunt: quoniam communiter non habent facul…atem ad haec bell a gerenda contrá Principes, & imminent illis grauia pericula: The faithfull of England and Saxonie (ſaith ddIn 2. 2▪ Tho. q. 12. Art. 2. col. 467. edit. Rom. …nno 1586.he, meaning Papiſts) are to be excuſed, in that they doe not exempt themſelues from the power of their ſuperiours, nor beare Armes againſt them, becauſe generally they hauehave no abilitie to wage ſuch warres againſt their Princes, and great danger doth hang ouer their heads if they ſhould attempt it. Now you Prieſts labour to increaſe your number, and ſo your meanes, doe you not? And doe you not thereby labour to haſten rebellion? Speake out Prieſt, ſay the truth, ſhame the Diuell, and ſaue the credit of your Religion if you can. Is not your Religion and Treaſon ſo linked together, that you cannot play the Prieſts, but you muſt play the Traitors alſo?

3 Men ſay, that your eeConue…. part 2. chap. 12. ſect. 16.Parſons commends thoſe Rebels as ſufferers for Religion, who were vp in armes againſt king Edward the ſixt, in the third yere of his reigne, and for that inſurrection iuſtly ſlaine, and put to death. Men ſay, that your ffMotiue 15.Briſtoe commends thoſe Northerne men, who were put to death for their rebellion againſt Queene Elizabeth, in the eleuenth yeare of her reigne, for Martyrs, p. 3yea glorious Martyrs. And I am ſure, that that Catholicke prieſt, who made the ggPrinted 1608.Catalogue of late Martyrs in England, which is annexed to the Engliſh Martyrologe, hath regiſtred therein Garnet and Oldcorne, two of the powder-traitors for Martyrs. And that at Louaine, a Papiſt, in a Panegyricke Oration made there, prayed publikely to Garnet thus: S. Henrice, intercede pro nobis: Saint Henrie, wee pray thee pray for vsus. And I hhThe ſtate of the Engliſh Fugitiues, pag. 123reade that Clement the I…cobin, who killed Henrie the third of France, by ſheathing a knife in his belly, is canonized for a Martyr: and that iiRefutation of Cottons letter, pag. 14.Gutgnard, who was put to death for commending Clemens his fact as heroicall, is canonized for another Martyr. Doth not this your commending of Rehels and Traitors, argue your affection to Rebellion and Treaſon?

4 You, ſir Prieſt, hold it meritorious to kil Princes. The Monke who poiſoned our King Iohn, kkIoh. Maior de geſt. Scot. l. 4. c. 3Regem perimere meritorium ratus eſt, thought it a charitable deed to kill him. llTh…anus hiſt. lib. 79. ad … 1584.He that killed the Prince of Orange in the yeare 1584. could not be perſwaded that he had ſinned in killing him, ſed potius ea meruiſſe, vt rect a in coclum tendere…; but rather, that he had deſerued thereby to go ſtraight to heauen. The Ieſuites at Auſpurge and Triers, and a Franciſcan at Torney, had ſo well ſchooled him before, that his fact was commendable; and ſo fully aſſured him, that if he were put to death for the ſame, in Martyrum numero collecatum iri, hee ſhould be counted for a Martyr. mmArn…ult in his pleading againſt the Ieſuites.Parry, who intended the murther of our euer renowned Queene Elizabeth, was encouraged thereunto by Anniball Codreto a Ieſuite, who tolde him p. 4he could not do a more meritorious worke, then kill a Prince excommunicated by the Pope, and that the Angels would carry him vp into heauen. Yta Parry was encouraged thereunto by a nnSee B. Bilſon of the Supremacie, part 3. and Stowes Chron. ad ann. 1584.letter from Cardinall de Como; wherein his reſolution was aſcribed to the motion of a good Spirit: and wherein the Cardinall did promiſe him, in the Pope his maiſters name, beſides conſideration in earth, merit in heaven. **Arnault in his Pleadings againſt the Ieſuites.Barriere, who attempted the killing of Henry the fourth of France, was encouraged thereto by Varade a Ioſuite, who aſſured him that hee could not doe a more meritorious worke in the world. Are not Papiſts rare Iewels, and much to be eſteemed of by Kings?

5 It is written in your owne books, that ooPlatina de vit Pontif in vit. Greg. 3. p Idem in vita Greg. 7.Gregory the third depoſed Leo the third of his Empire, for defacing of Images in Churches: And that P Gregorie the ſeuenth depoſed Henrie the fourth of the Empire, for commanding the Cardinals to repaire to him to chooſe a new Pope: And qqCromerus de …cbus geſtis Polon. lib. 4.Bo'eſlaus the ſecond, King of Poland, for killing of a Biſhop. It is written in your owne bookes, that rrc. 15. q. 6. Alius.Pope Zachary depoſed Childericke king of France, for that he was not ſo fit for gouernment as Pipin was; and that ſſPlatina in vita Bonifac. 8.Boniface the eight depoſed Philip of France, for appealing from him to a generall Councell. It is written in your owne bookes, that ttAntonin. hiſt. part. 3. tit. 19. cap. 1. ſect. 3.Innocent the third depoſed Otho the fourth, for that, contrary to his oath, hee inuaded the Churches patrimonie: and our King Iohn of England, for that uuI…h. Maior. de …eſt. Scot. lib. 4. cap. 3.he ſought not Abſolution at his hands, when the whole Realme ſtood interdicted. It is written in your p. 5owne bookes, that xxDecretal. in ſext. cap. ad. Agoſtoli…ae de ſen…entia et reiudicata.Innocent the fourth depoſed Frederike the ſecond, for apprehending his Cardinals and Biſhops as they were going to a Councell called by him; and that yySee Carerius de poteſt. Rom. Pont. l. 2. cap. 19 nis 27.Gregorte the tenth tooke the Eaſterne Empire from Baldwin the ſecond, who was lawfull heire to it, and gaue it to Michael Pael…eologus, who had no colour of right to it. And that zzMaſſonius de v…bis Epiſcop. lib. 6. in vita Ioh 21 et Clem. 6.John 21Clemens the ſixt depoſed Lewis the fourth of Bauaria, for holding opinion, that the Emperour might depoſe the Pope, and place another in his roome. It is written in your bookes, aaCromerus da geſt. Polon. l. 27.that George King of Bohemia was depoſed by Paul the ſecond for hereſie. And that bbAntonius Nebriſſenſis de bello Nauarre…ſi▪ cap. 1. 2. 3.Iohn King of Nauarre was depoſed by Iulius the ſecond, for fauouring Lewes the twelfth of France, whom the Pope had deuounced a ſchiſmaticke: and that our ccSaunders de ſchiſmat. Angl. lib. 1. pag. 108. edit. 1586.King Henrie the eight was depoſed by Paul the third, eſpecially for beheading the Biſhop of Rocheſter: and Queene Elizabeth, for ſuppoſed hereſies, by three of your Popes, one after another, viz. by Pius the fift, Gregorie the thirteenth, and Sixtus the fifth. So bold hauehave your Popes beene with Kings and Emperours de facto. But which concernes Emperors and Kings more to take knowledge of, it is written in your bookes, that your Pope hath right, ddPlagina in vita Greg. 7.Imperia, regna, principatus, & quicquid habere mortales poſſunt, auſerre & dare: to diſpoſe of Empires, kingdomes, principalities, and whatſoeuer any man liuing hath. As according to your learning, he may eeTract. de Ro…. Eccleſ. primat apud B…niam, to. 1. Cone. p 20.Aperire & claudereianuas regni coeleſ…is quibus volueri…: open the gates of heauen to whom he liſt, and ſhut out of heauen whom he liſt: ſo he may Auferre & conferre p. 6regna quaecunque quibus licet, take the Crowne from any Kings head, and ſet it on another mans head at his pleaſure. For, as ffIn vit. B…nif. 8.Platina witneſſeth, Boniface the eight endeuoured to perſwade men ſo. If an Emperour or King be ggAzor. inſtit. Moral. part. 2. lib. 10. cap. 2. 2. Quaeritur, &c. 8. 3. Quaritur.haereticus, vel ſchiſmaticus, vel fautor, vel receptator, vel defenſor haereticorum vel ſchiſmaticorum: an hereticke, or ſchiſmaticke, or fauourer of heretickes or ſchiſmatickes. If an Emperour or King be a hhMoſconius de maieſtat E…l. ſm…litantis, lib. 2. de Impertal Reg. & princip. part. 1. cap. 2. pa. 661.tyrant; and, iiIbidem.tenens regnum contra formam iur is, & m…ntem P…pae, dicitur Tyrannus: Hee who hath his kingdome contrary to the Popes law and the Popes liking, is a tyrant.) If an Emperour or a King be a ſacrilegious perſon, k Ibid. pag. 660.that is, ſuch a one as goeth about to infringe the liberties, immunities and priuiledges of the Church, either by laying hands on Eccleſiaſticall perſons or Wide Azor. & Moſco…. lo…is cit.their goods; or taking vntounto himſelfe l Eccleſiastica iura, to be gouernour next vnderunder Chriſt, of thoſe particular Churches which are within his territories. If they deſpiſe Claues Eccleſiae, the Popes Suſpenſions, Interdictions, Excommunications. If they forbid Epiſcopos & Clertcos ſuo officto fungi, Popiſh Biſhops or Prieſts to ſay Maſſe. If they doe homines excellentes ſine cauſa perimere, hang Prieſts who came into their kingdomes, to ſteale the hearts of their ſubiects vntounto the Pope. If they do Sapientes de regno remouere, baniſh popiſh prieſts out of their dominions. If they diſſolue Societates aut congregationes ad ſanctè honeſté que viuend…m: that is, Monaſteries and Nunneries. If they mmAlbericus in Lege bene d Zero…e de quadr. praeſcrips.oppreſſe or grieue populos ſibi ſubiect os, their ſubiects. If they gouerne their kingdomes nnAlbericus in di…tionario, verbo Para.negligenter, ignaue, inepte, p. 7& inutiliter, careleſly and vnprofitably. If ooMoſein. lib. cit, pag. 601.leges contra Eccleſiae libertatem aut permittunt aut condunt, they either make any law againſt the libertie▪. of the Church, or ſuffer any ſuch law made by ſome of their predeceſſors to ſtand in force. If they ppGloſſa in c. Si Papa. d. 40.commit any ſin, and will not be admoniſhed, by your booke-learning, they are but gone men, they hauehave forfeited their eſtates into your Popes hands; yea though there be no fault in them, yet for qqCarerius lib. 2. de poteſtat. Rom. pont. cap. 19. nu. 27.publicum bonum, if it tend to the Popes profite, he may vncrowne them, and beſtow all they hauehave vponupon ſuch, who had no title in the world to any part thereof, before the Pope gaue them all. And doth not this argue, That Kings, by your learning, are in worſe caſe then Copy-holders?

6 By your doctrine, ſir Prieſt, rrSymancha inſtit cathol. cap. 45. nu. 13.there is iuſt cauſe to make warre againſt heretickes: by Heretickes, you meaning Proteſtants. By your doctrine, ſſAllan againſt the execution of iuſtice. cha. 3There is no warre ſo iuſt and honourable, be it ciuill or forraine, as that which is waged for the preſeruing & propagating of your Religion. By your doctrine, ttVide Thuam. hiſt. lib. 42. ad ann 1585.there can be no peace, yea, there ought to be no peace made with Sectaries. uuIdem lib 65. ad ann. 1577.Sectaries, that is, in your language, Proteſtants are more eagerly to be purſued with fire and ſword then Turkes. And xxSymancha in loco cita….when warre is once proclaimed, any priuate man (according to your doctrine) may take, ſpoile, kill ſuch Sectaries, and burne their houſes ouer their heads. Thus you. yyPaulus Windebek in delib. de haret. extirp. pag. 414.profeſſing further, that when the Princes of your Religion make league with Proteſtant Princes, they make them onelyonly for their owne advantage: as for example, to diſpatch ſome by-buſineſſes, which hinder p. 8them from falling vponupon the Proteſtants with their whole forces. Now this being thus, HaueHave not Proteſtant Princes and their▪ ſubiects iuſt cauſe to ſtand vponupon their guard; and neither to truſt to League with Popiſh Prince, nor friendſhip with popiſh peſant? eſpecially if it be true, which is further reported, viz.

7 That your famous Biſhop Symancha writes, zzInſtit. cathol. cap 45. nu. 14. impreſſ. Valiſſoleti, An. 1552.Haereticis fides à prinato data ſeruanda non eſt: Faith made to an heretike by a priuate perſon is not to be kept. A priuate perſon may reucale an heretike to the Inquiſitors, Non obſtance ſide aut iuramento, though he hath bound himſelfe by his oath to the contrary. And, Nec fides à magiſtra…bus data ſeruanda eſt haereticis: Faith made to heretikes by the magiſtrates, is not to be kept. For ſo ſome ſay, your Symancha ſaith, prouing his aſſertion by this, aaIbidem.that in the Councel of Conſtance Iohn Hus and Hiero… of Prague were iuſtly burned, albeit the Magiſtrate had giuen ſafe conduct. And that your Pope Martin the fift writ to Alexander Duke of Lituania, bbApud Cochlaenm lib. 5 hiſt. Huſsitarum.Scito te mortaliter peccare ſi ſeruabis fidem datam haereticis: Know thou ſinneſt mortally if thou keepe thy oath with heretickes. And that your Diuines in France, An. 1577. ccThuanus hiſt. lib 63. ad ann. 1577.Aperto capite in concionibus, & eunlgatis ſcriptis, ad fidem ſectar ijs ſeruandam non …bligari Principem contendebant, allato in eam rem Cont. Conſtant. decreto: taught publikly both in the Pulpit and in the Preſſe, That Princes were not bound to keepe touch with Sectaries, alledging to that end the Councell of Conſtance. For, If oathes binde not, farewell truſt with you. And the rather, for that

8 It is generally reported you teach, A man p. 9framing to ddW. W. in his ſparing diſcouery of Engliſh Ieſuites and father Parſons proceedings, p. 11. printed an. 1601.himſelfe a true propoſition when hee is asked a queſtion, may conceale aſmuch thereof as hee thinkes good. As for example, If one of you ſhould be examined, whether if the Pope did come in warre-like manner, to inuade this Realme by force, he would take the Popes part, or the Kings: that man framing this anſwer in his minde; I will take the Kings part, if the Pope will commaund me ſo to doe, may giuegive this anſwer lawfully: I will take the Kings part, concealing the reſt, and ſo delude the Examinate. In like manner, eeNauar. in manuaeli cap. 12. n…. 18. et Petrus Giuuar… in compend. m. n. Nauar. nu. 18. cap. 11.if one of you hauing Horſe and Money, ſhould be importuned by one of your honeſt friends, to whom you were not bound by law to giuegive or lend: to lend him Horſe or Mony; you framing this propoſition in your mind, I hauehave neither Horſe nor Money to giuegive or lend, may ſafely ſweare, You hauehave neither Horſe nor Money, and keepe the reſt to your ſelfe, and ſo mocke your friend. Yea, it is ſaid you teach, that without any mentall reſeruation you may abſolutely deny ſome truths. For, Confitens non peccat mortaliter qui negat ſe admiſiſſe peccatum mortale alias legitime confeſſum: That man ſinneth not mortally, who hauing ſhriuen himſelfe of ſome mortall ſinne, denies afterwards that he was euer guiltie of that ſinne. ffNauaer. in ma…. cap. 21. nu. 38.According to your learning: ggSa in Aphor. tit. de teſtibus.Quod ſolum audiſti, potes teſtificari te neſcire: Thou maiſt ſay thou knowſt not that, which is knowne to none but thee. hhSoto relect. memb. 3. q. 3. p. 306.If one of you ſee …eter kill Iohn, & come to be examined vponupon the point, if no bodie elſe ſawe, you may anſwer, that you know not whether Peter killed Iohn or not, according to your divini…e. For, Can ſuch aequivocation by mentall reſeruation, p. 10and blunt deniall of knowne truths, ſtand with plaine dealing, truth and honeſty?

9 Ipſoiure priuatos eſſe haereticos omni debito ſide▪ litat is, dominij, obligationis, & obſequij quoillis quic…nque tenebantur aſtricti. That heretikes are depriued by law of all fidelitie, authoritie, bond and ſeruice, which anie man owes them, is iiSymanch. inſtit. cathol. cap. 45. nu. 27. & 28.currant doctrine among you. Children, and ſeruants, and ſubiects to heretikes, owe no duty to their parents, maiſters, er ſoueraignes. Good wiues neede not lie with their huſbands. Such as are indebted, neede not pay their debts to their Creditors. Keepers of forts and townes may ſurrender them into the enemies hands. And this being thus, Can you be angry if Proteſtant Princes, and their ſubiects, who hauehave wiues, children, ſeruants, and money in other mens hands, doe wiſh you all, Vltra Garamantas & Indos, in the vnknowne world? Eſpecially ſeeing

10 You dubbe vsus with the name of Heretike, kkBriſt▪ motiue 2. & 4.affirming that we are to be deteſted as heretikes. You llAzor. inſtit. moral. par. 1. l 8. c. 16. 13. quaritur.forbid your Biſhops, your Archbiſhops, your Patriarkes, your Cardinalls, (except they be Inquiſitors, or Commiſsioners appointed by your Pope to ſit vponupon hereſie) the reading, yea the keeping of anie of our bookes. You cannot abide that one good word ſhould be ſpoken of vsus: For, Epitheta honorifica, & omnia in l…udem haereticorum deleantur: Let all honorable Epithites, and whatſoeuer elſe in praiſe of heretikes, be blotted out, mmInd. lib. prohib de correct. lib. ſect. 2.lay you. If nnIn addit. ad Euſebij chro…. ad an. 1521.Vlcichus Hutten a Proteſtant be commanded for Eques Germaniae doc…iſsimus & poeta laud… ▪ tiſsimas: a learned Knight and excellent Poet: I… p. 11ooIbid. ad …n. 1525. a Beutheri faſ…is menſe Martie, die 3.Frederike Duke of Saxony a Proteſtant be termed, Illustriſsimus, Sapientiſsimus, & Chriſtianiſsimus Princeps: an illuſtrious, wiſe, and Chriſtian Prince: If our Edward the ſixt be found praiſed, as ppIbid. menſe Iulio, die 6.admirande in dolis adoleſeens, a young Prince of admirable towardlineſſe, there ſhall qqIndex Hiſpan. lib expurg. p. 93 … 148.deleatur be ſet vppon the places. In the next impreſſions ſuch commendations muſt be put out. Yea you cannot find in your hearts, that our bare names ſhould be remaining in any bookes, rrAzor. lib▪ ſupra cit. 17. quaritur.vnleſſe we be named per ignominiam & contemptum, with reproach and ſhame: and ſuch is your further hatred to our Princes, that you forbid the reprinting of ſuch Dedicatory Epiſtles as learned men hauehave prefixed before their bookes for the eternizing of the memorie of our Princes; witneſſe hereof your ſſIndex Hiſp. lib. ex purg fol. 98. et 150.note of detrahatur, reijci…tur, deleatur, ſet vponupon three ſeverall Epiſtles, written by Hadrianus Iunius, and Iohannes Serranus, to our late Queene Elizabeth, and to Iames, by the goodnes of God, our preſent King. And ſo farre are you from approuing of the keeping of a Picture, either of Prince or People, that you account it, ttAzor. lib▪ et cap. ſuprac…aio v…t. quaricur.though it be kept in a Cloſet, a great preſumption, that the keeper thereof ſmels of hereſie. And ſuch is your burning charity towards vsus all, that you adiudge vsus to the bottomleſſe pit of hell. Certaine it is, that whoſoeuer in this new faith and ſeruice hath ended this life, is in hell moſt certainly (ſaith uuMotiue 36.Briſt….) Fieri nequit vt Luther anus moriens ſaluetur, Gehennam euadat, & aeternts ignibus eripiatur: ſi mentior, damner ipſe cum Lucifero. Let me be damned in Hell with the Diuell, if any Lutheran p. 12be ſaued; if any Lutheran eſcape Hell, ſaith xxReſo. ad refut. …uc. Oſiand▪ propoſit. 8. pag. vlt.Coſterus.

11 yyBibi. ſanct. la▪ verbo Traditiones.Sixtus Senenſis reports, That the Iewes are bound to raile vponupon all Chriſtians thrice eueryevery day: and to pray God he will roote out all Chriſtians, with their Kings and Princes from vnderunder Heauen. Sixtus reports, That the Iewes are commaunded to account no otherwiſe of Chriſtians then of beaſts: that they holde it lawfull to ſpoyle Chriſtians of their goods, and to bereaue them of their liues, to pull downe their Churches, to burne their Goſpel. Yea he reports they belch out ſuch blaſphemies againſt Chriſt, as are fearefull to thinke on, in no caſe to be ſpoken of. And yet I reade you holde that Maldonat. comment. in Ioh▪ 4. 9.John 4:9wee are▪ acerb…ores hoſtes Chriſti, & multo magis deteſtandi: more bitter enemies to Chriſt, and much more to be deteſted than they are: that it is more dangerous to hauehave any thing to doe with vsus, than with them. And I heare your Pope licenſeth them to hauehave Synagogues in Rome, euen vnderunder his noſe: whereas wee can not be allowed to have a Chappell in any place where he ſwayeth. Now I deſire, that either ſome rime or reaſon may be giuen, to iustifie your iu ſtifying of the Iewes before vsus.

12 By your doctrine, he ſinneth not, who hath probable reaſon for that which he doth. For, Non peccat is qui probabiliter licere id exiſtimat quod agit; ſaith a zzEudamon in apolog. pro Hen. Garncto. cap. 10. nu. 2.Ieſuite. And, by your doctrine, he hath probable reaſon for that which he doth, who hath the opinion of aaAuthor of the Treatiſe of Equiuocation, cap. 4.two or three, yea of bbAzor. inſtit. moral. par. 1. cap. 17. 5. qu… r…ur.one graue Author. For, in foro conſcientiae ad effectum non peccandi ſufficit eligere pro vera eius opinionem, quem merito p. 13cenſe…us eſſevir…m ideneum ad id ſcientia & conſcientis, ſaith ccIn Man. cap. 27. … 288.N…arrus. Now doth it not herehence follow, that he who hath the opinion of ddLib. 1. de Rogu. cap. 7.Iohn Mariana touching the lawfulneſſe of poyſoning Kings, may poyſon Kings without ſinne▪ He that hath the opinion of him who made the eeApproued by Blackwel circa an. 1602.book touching the lawfulneſſe of Aequiuocation, may equiuocate without ſinne? He that hath the opinion of ffApud Caſaub. in epiſt. ad Frentonem Duc. pag. 140.Binetus the Ieſuite, touching the neceſſitie of concealing Confeſſion, may conceale, without ſinne, whatſoeuer is confeſſed, though that concealing coſt all the Kings in Chriſtendome, yea in the world, their liues? What villanie approued by any of your Writers or Diuines, may not lawfully be practiſed, though thouſands be of another opinion, according to this your doctrine?

g Bellar▪ lib. 4. de verbo Der no… ſcripto▪ cap. 2.13 You teach, that the word of God is partly written, partly vnwritten: And the written word you call Scripture, the vnwritten Tradition: yet you vndertake to proue diuers of your opinions both by Scripture and by Tradition. As for example, Praying to Saints: praying for the dead: ſetting vp of Images in Churches, and worſhipping them when they are ſet vp: Chriſts deſcention into hell: the Virgine Maries perpetuall virginitie, &c. Now I would know with what honeſtie you can alledge Scripture for that which you ſay is a tradition, or tradition for that which you ſay you hauehave Scriptures? Can one▪ and the ſame truth be written, and not written?

14 You teach, that hhBellar. lib. 4. de verbo non ſcripto▪ cap. 8.it was not meete all m…ſteries ſhould be written in Scripture, iiCoſterus apo…. pro 1. par. E…c…. contra Goma… ▪ … 2.leſt eueryevery ordinarie perſon ſhould come to the knowledge of them; and becauſe p. 14of the commonneſſe of them, contemne them. Now I deſire to know, why the myſteries of the Trinitie ſhould be written in Scripture, rather then thoſe myſteries you ſpeake of, if there be ſuch danger that ordinarie perſons ſhould attaine to the knowledge of whatſoeuer is written in Scripture; and vponupon their knowledge of them, ſhould contemne them. Secondly I deſire to know, why it ſhould be leſſe meete that the myſteries you ſpeake of ſhould be written in Scripture, then in the Fathers, and in your Catechiſmes? Ordinarie perſons are as like to come to the knowledge of them by reading, if not the Fathers, yet of your Catechiſmes, wherein you diſcourſe of them at large, as if they were written in Scripture. Are they not, thinke you?

15 Men ſay, you teach, that kkIoh. de Rada par. 2. Theol. cont…ou▪ inter Scotū … Tho. cont 20. act. … concluſ. 6.Licet praceptum praelati ſit irrationale, & pro tali merito quandoque haberi poteſt, tenetur tamen ſubditus illud obſeruare: Though the commandement of the ſuperiour be vnreaſonable, and may well enough be thought ſo, yet the inferiour is bound to obey it. Men ſay, you teach, llBellar. lib. 4. de Ro. Pont. cap. 5. & Carerius de poteſt. Pont. l b. 1 c. 23. num 16.Si Papa erraret pracipiend… vitia, vel prohibendo virtutes, teneretur Eccleſia credere vitia eſſe bona, & virtutes malas, niſ…vellet contra conſcientiam peccare: that if the Pope ſhould erre in commanding vice, and forbidding vertue, the Church was bound to beleeue (vnleſſe ſhe would ſinne againſt her conſcience) that vice was commendable, and vertue diſpraiſable. mmBar…. de poteſt. Pa…. cap. 41. p. 341.Men are bound Papae ſententiam exequi, to put the Popes ſentence in execution, albeit they know it to be vniuſt. Any man illaeſae conſcientia, with a good conſcience may execute the p. 15Popes vnlawfull mandate, by your learning. Now I pray you, how agrees this doctrine with that of the Apoſtles, Act 5. 29. It is better to obey God then man?

16 Sir Prieſt, I reade in your bookes that your Pope is called aaCont. Florent. ſell. vlt.Caput t…tius Eccleſiae, bbAnton. Pucci…s in orat. habit. ſell 9. Cont Lat. ſub L…one 10.Pater Eccleſiae, Fillius Eccleſiae, Sponſus Eccleſiae, ccGretſer to 1. defenſ. cap. 10. lib. 3 Bell. col. 1450.Mater Eccleſia: The head of the whole Church, the Father of the Church, the ſonne of the Church, the Spouſe of the Church, the Church our mother. Now I would know of you, how he can be the Church her ſelfe, and yet head of the Church, and the Churches huſband▪ how can he be Father to the Church, and ddDiſt. 63. Ego Ludouicus. Bonifacius Germ. Apoſtolus in epiſt. ad Cutbert. Archtep Cant. apu… Baron. Annal. to. 9. ad an. 740.and yet a ſonne of the Church▪ how without committing inceſt, the father may marrie his daughter, the brother may marrie his ſiſter, the ſonne may marrie his mother?

17 I reade in your bookes, that your Pope is nor onelyonly called the Vicar of Chriſt, and Succeſſor of S. Peter, but d S. Peters Vicar, and eeSacrar. caerem. Ro E…cleſ. lib 1. ſect. 1. Gabriel. Patriarch. Alexan. in admonit. Legatis a Clem. 8. data. quae habetur ad ſinem▪ Anndl. Baron. to 6. n…. 14. Tho. Aqu… de regimine princip…l 3. cap. 10 Bo…u… de temporal. Eccleſ. monarch. lib. 1. cap. 7.Chriſts Succeſſor in reſpect of the gouernment of the Church. Now here I deſire to know two things of you; firſt, how your Pope comes to be S. Peters Vicar, ſeeing S. Peter himſelfe is but a Vicar; and it is a rule in your Law, ffExtrade officio Vicari…. Cle… ricos.Vicarius non poteſt ſubſtituere Vicarium: A Vicar cannot ſubſtitute a Vicar. Secondly, how without blaſphemie your Pope can be called Chriſts Succeſſor, ſeeing he to whom another ſucceedeth in office, doth ceaſe himſelfe to bea…e that office, as ggAct. 2… ▪Acts 2Felix did ceaſe to be gouernour in Iurie, when Feſtus came in place to be his ſucceſſor. I hope you do not thinke that Chriſt, who endureth for euer, p. 16hath turned ouer all care of his Church to your Pope.

18 I reade in your hhGenebr. chron. lib. 4. ad an. 1551.bookes, that in the yeare 1552. your Pope was intituled by a certaine Patriark called Siud, The Peter of our time, and the Paul of our dayes: and that iiBaron. ad finē to 6. Annal.Clemens the eight was intituled by one Gabriel Patriarke of Alexandria, Tertius detimus Apoſtolorum glorioſi Domini noſtri Ieſu Chriſti, & quintus ſanctorum Euangeliſtarum: The thirteenth Apoſtle of our Lord and Sauiour Ieſus Chriſt, and the fift Euangeliſt. And that Genebrard approued of the titles which Siud gaue; and Baronius of thoſe which Gabriel gaue. Now I deſire to know of you, why Genebrard ſhould like that any Pope ſhould be called the Peter of our time, ſeeing kkBaron. Annal. to. 11. ad an. 1009.Sergius the fourth, being chriſtened Peter, vponupon his election to be Pope, in reuerence to S. Peter, renounced the name of Peter, and tooke the name of Sergius: and ſecondly, how Clemens the 8. can with any wiſedome be held the thirteenth Apoſtle of our Sauiour Chriſt, and the fifth Euangeliſt, conſidering there were ſeuen Popes of his owne name, and vponupon the point of 230 Popes of other names before him. For I cannot heare that he was ſuch an A perſe as that he deſerued theſe titles rather then any of his predeceſſors. And if all or any of his predeceſſors deſerued to be called Apostles and Euangeliſts, Gabriel (in my opinion) failed in his Arithmeticke, when he termed him the thirteenth Apoſtle and the fifth Euangeliſt.

19 I reade in your bookes, that the iuriſdiction of your Pope is boundleſſe: I His dominion. (as p. 17Chriſts, Pſal. 72. 8.) is from ſea to ſea, and from the riuer vntounto the ends of the world: whereas the iuriſdiction of the reſt of the Clergie hath narrower bounds by much. Yet I reade in mmHiſt. lib. 3. cap. 16.Euſebius of Chrytoferſons tranſlations, that in Traians time, Pope Clemens gouerned the church of Rome; and Iohn the Euangeliſt the churches in Aſia. Now I deſire to know whether this doth not argue, that Pope Clemens iuriſdiction was leſſer then S. Iohns, ſeeing it is apparent hereby, that Pope Clemens gouerned but one Church, and S. Iohn many.

20 I reade in your bookes, nnBellar. lib. 1. de Ro. Pont. cap. 16.that S. Peter had authoritie ouer all the Apoſtles, and that the Apoſtles depended vponupon him, as vponupon their head and commander, who was to direct them, and to go in and out before them, and to chaſtile them: I reade likewiſe, that after Saint Peters death, your ooIdem. lib. 2. de Ro. Pont. cap. 12.Popes ſucceeded him in tota ipſius dignitate & poteſtate, in all his dignitie and ſoueraigntie. Now it is euident that diuers of the Apoſtles ſuruiued S. Peter; as namely ppBaron. Annal. To. 1. ad An. 69. Nu. 34.S. Andrew, and qqSophron. ap…d Baron. de ſcript. Eccl. ſ. verbo Simon.S. Symon ſurnamed the Cananite, (not in regard of his countrey, but of his zeale, rrChap.as S. Luke witneſſeth) and ſſIerom. de ſcript. Eccl. ſ. verbo Iohannes.Saint Iohn the Euangeliſt. Two of theſe, if not all three, liued till Traians dayes, in which time Linus, Cletus, Clemens ſate Biſhops of Rome. Now my deſire is to know of you, whether you thinke Linus, Cletus, Clemens challenged any ſoueraigntie ouer Saint Andrew, and Saint Simon the zealous, and Saint Iohn the Euangeliſt. Me thinkes Saint Iohn ttIoh. 21. 20.John 21:20being the Diſciple whom Ieſuſ loued, Saint Iohn being the perſon who was allowed to uuIoh. 13. 23.John 13:23leane on our Sauiours breaſt p. 18at the eating of the Paſſeouer: S. Iohn being the man 2▪ Ioh. 19. 26.to whō our Sauiour x recōmended his mother at his death: Saint Iohn being ſuch a one, as that his writings are receiued for Canonicall: me thinks (I ſay) Saint Iohn (not to ſpeake of the other two) ſhould not hauehave bene vnderling to theſe three Popes. Me thinkes he ſhould not hauehave depended vponupon them as on his head for direction. Me thinks they ſhould not hauehave had that ſuperioritie ouer him that they might hauehave chaſtiſed him.

21 I reade in your bookes, that an Archbiſhop and Cardinall of yours, called aaLib. de ſchiſmate Pont. inter German. ſcript. p. 703.Francis Zabarel, who liued about the yeare 1400. confeſſed, that certaine flatterers for many ages before his time, and till his time, had perſwaded the Popes, quòd omnia poſſent, & ſic, quod facerent quicquid liberet, etiam illicita, & ſic plus quam Deus: they could do all things, and might do any thing, were it neuer ſo vnlawfull, and by that meanes they could do more then God. And to tell you truly, I do verily beleeue him. For I do finde they were told they might diſpenſe bbC 15. q. 6. Authoritatem, in Gloſſa.contra ius naturale, againſt the law of nature: ccExtra de couceſſ. prabend. propoſuit. in Gloſſa.contra vetus Teſtamentum, againſt the old Teſtament: and ddIbid.contra Apostolum, againſt the Apoſtle Paul. I find they were told, eeExtra de tranſlat. Epiſc. et. Quanto. in Gloſſa.De nihilo poſſent facere aliquid, they might of nothing make ſomething: ffIbid.de iniuſtitis facere poſſent iuſtitiam, they might make wrong right: and ggIbid.in his quae vellent, ijs eſſe pro ratione voluntatem, they might do as they liſt, and no bodie might ſay, hhIbid.Domine, cur …ta facis? I pray you ſir, why do you ſo? I finde ſome taught, that iiTeſte Ioh de Par…ſ… de poteſtate Regia & papali, cap 23.St homitidium Samſonis quod ex ſe malum eſt, interpretamu… p. 19quod inſtinctu diuino fuit factum, multo magis omne factum ſanctiſſimi Patris interpretari debemus in bonum: & ſiquidem fuer it furtum, Ʋel aliud ex ſe malum, interpretari debemas, quod diuino inſtinct u…ſiat: If we impute the ſlaughter which Samſon made of the Philiſtines to an inſpiration of Gods Spirit; much more are we bound to interprete in the beſt part whatſoeuer the holy Father the Pope doth: if it be theft, or any other thing which of it ſelfe is euill, (kkDiſt. …0. Non nos, in Gloſſa.as for example murther or adulterie) we muſt likewiſe impute that to the inſpiration of Gods Spirit. About the time Zabarel ſpeakes of, it ſeemes it went for currant, which is noted by a late llMaſſonus de vrbis Epiſe. l. 3. in vita Iob 9.Job 9Hiſtorian, Epiſcopos Romanos ne peccata quidem ſine laude committere, the Popes could do nothing, were it neuer ſo miſchieuous, but it was commendable. His geeſe were all ſwan…: his vices were vertues. I reade in your bookes, mmMoſconius de maieſtate Eccleſ. militantis. lib. 1. cap 4. p. 97.that men are bound to worſhip him with dulia: and that ſome hauehave profeſſed in his hearing, nnApud Anton. in ſum. hiſt par. 3. tit. 22. cap. 17. ſect. 1.that they worſhipped him with hyperdulia: and that in effect many hauehave giuen him latriam. For to omit that ſome hauehave affirmed he was ooMarcel in orae hab. ſeſſ. 4. Cont. Lat ſub Leone 10alter Deus in terris, a ſecond God vponupon earth. ppIoh. Aug Panthaus Venetus in Arte & Theor. tranſmutat. Metal. ad Leonē 10. impreſſ. Venet. an. 1518.Deus mortalis in terris, & immortalis homo in coelis: a mortall God vponupon earth, and an immortall man in the heauens. qqBaron. Annal. to. 7 ad an. 552.That he hath ſo much greater power then any of the Prophets, quanto differentius praeill is nomen hereditauit, viz. Tues Petra, &c. by how much he hath a more excellent name giuen him then any of them had, to wit, Thou art a rocke. Some of you hauehave giuen out, that he is, rrMaſſaib ſup… citato cap. 1 p 22non Deus, non hom…, ſed vtrumque, neither God, p. 20nor man, but both. Some of you hauehave ſtyled him, as ſſIoh. 20, 28.John 20:28Saint Thomas did out Sauiour Chriſt, with the titles of ttExtra. Ioh. 22. c. C… inter. in Gloſſa.Dominus Deus noſter, our Lord and God… and as uuApoc. 19. 16.Rev 19:16Saint Iohn likewiſe did, with xxMoſcon. lib. citato. pag. 26.Rex regum, Dominus dominantium, King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. Some of you now write, yyBaron. annal. To. 1. ad An. 57. Nu. 29. …. Puccius orat. hab. in ſeſſ. 9. Conc. Lat. ſub Leont 10.Chriſtus omnem quam à patre accepit pote…atem transfudit inſuo… Chriſt paſſed ouer all the power which God the Father gaue him, vntounto his, meaning your Popes. Agreeably to others, who in former ages were not aſhamed to tell the Pope, that z Tibi vni, to him alone was granted all power both in heauen and in earth. Yea, aaSteph. Patracenſis orat. hab. ſeſſ. 10. Conc Lat. jub Leone 10.that there was in Popes all power ſupra omnes poteſtates tam coeli quam terrae, aboue all powers both in heauen and in earth. I need not to tell you of the Biſhop who put vp a ſupplication to Pope Nicolas, in theſe words, bbFaezellus hiſt. Sicul. lib. 8. ca. 4Miſerere meifili Dauid, O ſonne of Dauid hauehave mereie vponupon me: nor of the Religious perſons who came from Panormi and other parts of Sicily as Embaſſadours to Pope Martin the fourth, to craue his fauour, who cried thrice thus, ccAntonin. ſum. beſt. part. 3. …t. 20. cap. 4. ſect. 3.Agnus Dei qui tollis peccata m…ndi, miſerent nobis: O thou Lambe of God who takeſt away the ſinnes of the world, hauehave merciemercy vponupon vsus: nor of him, who in way of prouing your Popes omnipotencie, bids his reader note, ddViualdus in candelabro aureo. tit. de Abſolutione. Nu. 28.Quod in conceſſionibus vtitur illo verbo, Fiat, quo Deus vniuerſum creauit orbema that your Pope in ſubſcribing petitions, vſeth the word, Let it be, by which God created the whole world: intimating, that as God, ſo your Pope by a word of his mouth may doe any thing: nor of them who againſt the comming of Paul the third p. 21vntounto the Citie of Tolentonum in Italy, ſet this inſcription ouer the gates, eeSee Morney de Eccleſis, cap. 8. and Mou…ins defence of the King, chap. 25.Paulo 3. opt. max. in terris Deo, To Paul the third, the beſt and greateſt God in earth. Now that which I deſire to know of you, is, what difference in ſubſtance there is betweene many of theſe ſpeeches concerning your Popes, and theirs in the Acts of the Apoſtles, who applauding Herods oration, cried amaine, ffAct. 12. 22. …Acts 12:22Vox Dei & non hominis, the voice of God, and not of man? and whether your Pope be not as guiltie as Herod was, who hearing with his owne eares diuers of theſe blaſphemous ſpeeches, and perhaps all by report, did neither reproue them, vponupon his eare hearing them, nor cauſe them to be razed out of the books wherein they are written, hauing knowledge thereof at the ſecond hand?

22 I reade in your bookes, that you hauehave had many vnlearned Popes, not much wiſer then the aaGa…riel de … ralete f…ria 2. btbd. 3. de praparat. c…feſſ.Biſhop, who examining one that was to be made Deacon, in ſtead of asking, Quot ſunt Sacramenta Eccleſiae? how many Sacraments are there in the Church? demanded, Quot ſunt 7. Sacramenta? how many are the ſeuen Sacraments? To whom the Deacon anſwering, Tres. The Biſhop replied, In quibus? What call you them? And the Deacon tolde him, their names were, Thuribulum, Aſperſorum, & ſancta Crux. For of Iulius the ſecond it is reported, that ſigning a warrant, in ſtead of fiat, he wrote fiatur. And conſtat plures corum adeo illiteratos eſſe vt Grammaticam penitus ignorent, It is well knowne that many of the Popes were ſo vnlearned, that they knew not-their Grammar rules, ſaith ccLib. 1. cap 4. adu haer…ſ. in edit. antiq… ▪Alfonſus p. 22de Caſtro. I reade in your bookes, that ſome of your Popes were ſilly creatures. You had one, whom your ddIoh. Andr. Baldus Iaſon & ſer. B…utum fulmen, pag. 201.Canoniſts vſually call, vnum pecus, in eo quod de mane faciebat gratiam, & de ſero reuocabat: a ve…ie Aſſe: for that in the morning he would grant many men many kindneſſes, and at night reuoke them all againe. I reade in your eeGl…ber Rodul. hiſt. lib. 5. ca. vlt.bookes, that you had one boy Pope of twelue yeares old, viz. Benedict the ninth: and a May-pole-morrice-dancer Pope ffBaron. annal. to. 10. ad an. 955 …u. 3.of 18. yeares old, viz. Iohn 12. alias 13. who made the Lateran a plaine Stewes, as ggHiſt. per Europum geſt. lib. 6 cap. 6. & 7.Luitprandus witneſſeth. I hhMaſſon. de vrbis Ep…ſc. lib 4. in Ioh. 11. al. 12.John 11reade that Iohn 11. was a baſtardly brat of Pope Sergius: and that you had a iiSee the book intitled Pope ſoane.whore Pope called Io…ne. I reade you hauehave had Necromanticall Popes, ſuch as kkPlatin. n vita Silueſtri.Silueſter the ſecond, who gaue himſelfe to the diuell both body and ſoule, that he might attaine the Popedome. Theefe Popes, ſuch as llIdem in vita Bo…if. 7.Boniface the ſeuenth, who robbed Saint Peters Church: Sodomiticall Popes, ſuch as Sixtus the fourth, mmAgrippa de vanitaic ſ…ent. cap. 64.who built a famous ſtewes in Rome: Periured Popes, ſuch as nnOnuph. addit. ad Plat. in vita Greg. 12.Gregorie the twelfth. Hereticall Popes, ſuch as Honorius the firſt, condemned by the ooAct. 12. & 13Acts 126. and ppAct 7. in definit. Synods.Acts 77. generall Councels for a Monothelite. Atheiſticall Popes, ſuch as Leo the tenth, qqBale.who called the Goſpell a Fable. Apoſtaticall Popes, ſuch as thoſe fiftie, who as rrChronol lib. 4. ſect. 10.Genebrard writeth, entred in, not by the doore, but by a poſterne gate. I reade that ſſValla declamat in Donat. Conſ…antini.Recentes ſummi Pontifices videntur laborare vt quantum priſci fuerunt ſapientes & ſanctij tantum iſti impij ſint & ſtulti: The later Popes ſeeme to ſtriue, they may ſhew themſelues as very fooles and knaues, as the ancient Popes ſtroue to approue their wiſedome and holineſſe p. 23vntounto the world. Your Bellarmine confeſſeth, that the later Popes, ttChronol. ad an. Chriſti 970.Parum ſolliciti de Rep. tooke little care how the world went: uuAd an. 1026.A pietate veterum degenerauerunt, are growne out of kinde. Your xxRelect. 4 de poteſtate Papa et Conc. propoſ. 12.Victoria profeſſeth, they are priſcis ill is multis partibus inferiores, farre worſe then their firſt predeceſſors. And in yyIn Formoſo 1.Platina I reade, that virtus & integritas defecit, vertue and integritie is decayed in them: and in zzAd an. 954.Faſciculus Temporum, that ſanctitas illos dimiſit, holineſſe hath taken her leaue of them. Men of your ſelues write, aaGuicciar. hiſt. lib. 16.In Pontificibus bodie nemo ſanctitatem requirie: optimi putantur ſevel leuiter boni ſint, vel minus mali quam caeteri mortales eſſe ſoleant: At this day no man lookes for any honeſtie in a Pope: they are accounted excellent good Popes if they hauehave but a dram of honeſtie, yea, if they ſurpaſſe not the wickedneſſe of other men. At this day the Papacie is ſo dangerous, that bbO…ph. in vita Marcells ad finē Platina.Marcellus the ſecond proteſted he did not ſee quomodo qui locum hunc altiſſimum tenent, ſaluari poſſint, how a Pope can be ſaued. Your Saint ccAntonin. hiſt. par. 3. tit. 23. cap. 14 ſect. 13.Katharin of Sienna told Gregorie the 11. that In Romana Curia vbi deberet eſſe Paradiſus deliciarum virtutum, inueniebat foetorem infernalium vitiorū: Whereas ſhe looked to hauehave found a Paradiſe of rare vertues in his Court, ſhe found in ſtead thereof a dunghill couered ouer with helliſh vices, the ſtinch whereof ſhe ſmelt to Sienna, the place of her dwelling, an hundred miles off. And the ddT…codoricus de Niem. Nem. vnionis inaquoſ… trac. 4. cap. 8.Virgine Marie told Saint Briget (as ſome of you ſay) that Multi Pontifices ſunt in inferno, Many Popes are in hell. And you know that eeSylua… lib. 1.Mantuans counſell was,

p. 24Viuere qui cupitis ſancte, diſcedite: Romoe

Omnia cum liceant, non licet eſſe bonum:

He that deſires to liue honeſtly, let him bleſſe himſelfe from Rome for a man may be there any thing ſaue honeſt, but honeſt he cannot be in any wiſe. Now the queſtion wherein I deſire to be reſolued by you, is, whether you thinke indeed that ffLuk. 22.Luke 22when Chriſt prayed for Saint Peters faith, he prayed for the faith of your vnlettered Popes, ſheepiſh Popes, boy Popes, ſwaggering whore-maiſter Popes, baſtardly brat Popes, whore Pope, Necromanticall Popes, theeſe Popes, Sodomiticall Popes, periured Popes, hereticall Popes, Asheiſticall Popes, and Apoſtaticall Popes? For there is no queſtion but ggToh. 11. 42.Chriſt obtaineth alwayes the things which he prayes for: and me thinkes there ſhould be no queſtion, but when our Sauiour praied for Saint Peters faith that it ſhould not faile, by the name of faith, he meant a liuely Chriſtian faith which workes by louelove, and which hhRom. 3. 25.Rom 3:25embraceth the promiſes of the merciemercy of God, which whoſoeuer hath, iiIoh. 6. 47.John 6:47hath aſſurance of eternall life: and if ſo, how is it credible that he prayed for all theſe?

23 Your Sixtus 5. cauſed your vulgar Latin to be corrected, and printed at Rome in the yeare 1590. kkBaron. Annal. To. 2. ad an. 232 Nu. 62.The paines he tooke therein, as it ſeemeth, was wonderfull. For notwithſtanding all other his papall buſineſſe, he llAngelus Rocca commen…. de Bibl. Valt… a S. 10. 5. …ondita pag. 229read ouer eueryevery word of the Bible before it was printed, and after too, correcting with his owne hands the faults of the print. Then he publiſhed it, and prefixed his bul before it in ſtead of a preface, ſignifying therein that his good will and pleaſure was, that this onelyonly ſhould go p. 25for Authenticall, and that all other impreſſions in time to come, ſhould be made according to it, without any change, without taking away, or adding ſo much as a letter; …nd that all former impreſſions, yea and M. S. differing from this, ſhould be of no credit: and all this he required vponupon paine of the greater excommunication. Yet after the death of Vrban 7. Greg. 14. and Innocent 9. ſucceſſors of Sixtus 5. nnAnno 1592.comes Clemens 8. and hee ſets out another Bible, differing much from that of Sixtus in many materiall points: auowing that this Edition of his, is (doubtleſſe) better then any Edition whatſoeuer heretofore Imprinted. Now that which I deſire to know of you is, whether Sixtus erred in commending his Bible, or Clemens in commending his Bible, or both of them in their ſeuer all commendations: for I thinke you will not ſay, commending bookes ſo different, they both ſpake truth.

24 Sir Prieſt, is not this of aaIn Symb to 2. operum Athanaſ. edit. Comelin. Anno 1600.Athanaſius good Diuinitie, Filius à Patre ſolo eſt, nec ſactus, nece creatus: The Sonne is of the Father alone, not made, nor created? If ſo, then I pray you tell me, how without blaſphemy bbDiſcip. de Tip. for 111 Ca…enaus Ca…al. gloria mundi, part. 2 conſid. 3. ſol. 4. Bi…l Lect 4. in Can Miſſa.you can ſay, Sacer dos eſt creator ſui Creatoris: A Prieſt is the creator of his Creator? meaning Chriſt the Sonne of God.

25 Again, if it be currant Diuinity which the ſame ccLoco ſuptacitate.Athanaſius deliuers, Chriſtus Deus ex ſubſtantia Patris, homo ex ſubſtantia matris: Chriſt is of the ſubſtance of his Father as he is God, and of the ſubſtance of his mother as hee is man. Tell me where the wit of your Iohn 22. was, when ddHo… B. Virgo Salu… ſancta facies fol. 68. edit. Pariſ 1516.he ſaid, Rex ſit expane, The King (meaning Chriſt, the King of p. 26heauen) is made bread. And why you are not aſhamed to retaine in your Canon Law theſe words, eeDe conſec d 2. c. 72. virum ſub.Corpus Chriſti & ſangais, ex panis & vini ſubſtantia efficitur: The body and bloud of Chriſt is made of the ſubſtance of bread and wine.

26 If it be true which ffDe Ciuit. Dei, lib. 1. c. 29.Auſtin ſaith, that God is nuſquam incluſus, penned in in no place: and that the great ggEurip. in Cyclop. Act. 4.Acts 4Cyclops (when Vlyſſes told him, that the wine which he had in a bottle, was the god Bacchus) did not without cauſe in a wonderment reply, What? A god in a bottle? I pray you tell me, why you pen vp your Sacrament, which hhAlleu de ſacrifi…. Euth. cap. 41. and Briſto Motiue 26.you acknowledge for your God, in a pixe, or in a boxe? Of a bee in a boxe, I hauehave heard much by many; but of a god in a boxe, I neuer heard but by Papiſts.

27 If it be euident, that they are no gods, whoſe prieſts keepe their temples with doores, and with lockes, and with barres, left their gods ſhould be ſpoyled by robbers, as iiVerſ. 17.Baruch ſaith in his 6 Chapter, which goes for Canonicall Scripture with you. If they, who cannot defend themſelues frō theeues and robbers, deſerue not to be reputed gods, as the kkVerſ. 56.ſame Author ſaith. If llHom 57. in Gen 31.Gen 31Chryſoſtome iuſtly derided Laban, when he ſaid: O excellent em inſipientiam! Tales ſunt dij t…i, vt quis eos furari poſsit? Non erubeſcis ditere, Quare furatus es deos meos? O notable foolerie! Are thy gods ſuch gods as may be ſtolne? Art thou not aſhamed to ſay, Why haſt thou ſtolne my gods? Why ſhould not you and your fellowes, ſir Prieſt, be whoopt at for holding the Sacrament to be God, which for feare of ſtealing, mmLindwood conſlit Prouine. lib. 3 …iulo de inſtodia Euchar cum clouſura, in c. digniſ…mis.you would not hauehave hung ouer the high Altar vnderunder a Canopie, but p. 27reſerued in a ſurer place, vnderunder locke and key?

28 If it be euident, that they are no gods, which cannot be preſerued from ruſt and wormes; which feele not when things which creep out of the earth eate them, as it ſeemes by nnChap. 6. v. 11. & 19.Baruch before mentioned▪ ſeeing it is the ooIoſeph Angles flores; Quaſt. Theol …n 4. S…. part. 1. 9. d… ſuſceps E…ch. ad 3▪ difficultat. 2. p. 96.generall doctrine of your Church, That wormes may breed in your Sacrament: that bruite beaſts, dogs, hogs, mice, choughs, &c. may eate it. Are not you ſingular od-caps, to hold the Sacrament for your Lord and your God?

29 Ecquem tam amentemeſſe putes qui illud quo veſcatur deum credat eſſe? Thinkſt thou there is any man ſo mad, that holds it for his god whereof he eates, ſaith ppApud Cicero▪ lib. 3. d… Na…. deorum.Cotta. Qu…mado quis ſanoe mentis deum nuncuparit…d, quod vero Deo oblatom, tandem ipſe comedit? How can any man of reaſon thinke that to be God, which he offereth in ſacrifice to the true God, and afterwards eates thereof himſelfe, ſaith qqQuaſt. 18. … Leuit.Theodoret. And if this be true, do not you deſerue to be ſent to Bedlem for eating the Sacrament, which you call your Lord and your God? Auerroes (rrEſpene, de Euch adorat. lib. 4. c. 3.they ſay) profeſſed that he had trauelled a great part of the world, and that he had ſeene many men of different Religions, and yet he found not any, Chriſtiana deteriorem aut tam fatuam, worſe or fooliſher then the Popiſh Chriſtian, quia deum ſuum quem colunt, dentibus deuorabant, becauſe they tare him with their teeth, whom they worſhipped for their god.

30 The God of right beleeuing Chriſtians is ſſ1. Ioh. 5. 20.1 John 5:20life it ſelfe, and giues life to others, euen ttIoh. 6.John 6euerlaſting life to them who eate him, as the Scriptures ſpeake of eating him. But your God is ſuch a God, and your faſhion of eating, ſuch an eating, as that a man by eating your God after your faſhion, may eaſily be poiſoned. And I pray you then how can your God be reputed the God of right beleeuing Chriſtians?

That a man may be poyſoned by eating your God (that is, the Sacrament) after your faſhion, it is plaine by diuers examples. For,

Victor 3, one of your Popes, Fuit extinct us per venenum in calicem miſſum, was killed with poyſon in the chalice, ſaith uuIn Chron ad An. 1095.Polonus, and xxFaſcic. Temp. ad An. 1094.others.

Henricus Archiep. Eboracenſis cum diuina celebraret myſteria, hausto in ipſo caliee (vt aiunt) veneno obijt: Henry Archbiſhop of Yorke died (as they ſay) of poyſon, by drinking of the chalice when he adminiſtred the Sacrament, ſaith yyHiſt. Augl. in vita Stephan. An. 1154. p. 122Mathew Paris.

Henricus 7. Imperator intoxicatus fuit ſumento Euchariſtian: Henry 7. Emperour of Rome was poyſoned in receiuing the Sacrament, ſaith zzAd An. 1314.Faſciculus Temporum.

Nuper Prior noſter Miſericordiae Venetijs veneno in calici ſublatus fuit: Of late a Prior of ours in Venice was kild with poyſon put into the Chalice, ſayth aaSee Monita Poluica, impreſſ. Francofurt. An. 1609.Iohn Baptiſta Leo Embaſſadour to the Duke of Vrbinus.

31 A bbApud Guitmun um lib. 2. de Sacram.Synod of your Biſhops in Italy decreed, That when the true fleſh of Chriſt and his true blood appeare at the celebration of the Sacrament in their proper kind, both the fleſh and the bloud ſhould be reſerued in them dſt of the Altar for ſpecial relikes. Now I would know of you, Sir Prieſt, what reaſon you hauehave to p. 29make a Relike of your god. Is it not enough for you to reſerue Relikes of Saints, but you muſt reſerue Relikes of God, the ſanctifier of Saints, yea God himſelf for a Relike?

32 I reade that ccSumma Angelica, verbo Miſſa. nu. 18. & ve…ho Enchariſtia, ſect 3. nu. 5.you preſcribe, Simuſca vel aranea cadat in calicem poſt conſecrationem, &c. If either flie or ſpider fall into the chalice after the words of conſecration, ſo that there be feare of poyſoning or prouocation to vomit; the Prieſt ſhall take ſanguinem illum, & igne comburat cum aliqua ſtupa, vel pumo lineo in ipſomadefacto, that bloud▪ and burne it by the helpe of ſome tow or linnen rags dipped in it. Now whether it be poyſoned or not poyſoned, whether it be ſuch as will prouoke vomite or not prouoke vomit, as long as the ſpecies remaines, it is your God: And how then can you cleare your ſelues from burning of your God?

33 I reade you teach, ddConc. Trid. Seſſ 22. can. 1.that in your Maſſe, Chriſt is truly and properly ſacrificed by you: and withall I reade you teach, that eeBellar. lib. 1. de Miſſa, cap. 2.whatſoeuer is truly and properly ſacrificed, if it be a liue thing, it is killed. Now I would gladly know of you, if this be thus, how you can excuſe your ſelues from killing of Chriſt: for Chriſt whom you ſacrifice truly and properly, as you ſay, is a liue thing?

34 I reade you teach, ffBellar. lib. 1. de Miſſa, cap. 12.Per conſecrationem fit v… Chriſti corpus vere & viſibiliter adſit ſuper menſam: that by confecration Chriſts body and blood is truly and viſibly vponupon the Altar. Viſibly, ggAlex. lib. 1. de Euch. Sacramen. cap. 37.not meerly in regard of the ſpecies vnderunder which they lie, but ſimply and property: vet I neuer met with Papiſt hitherto, who durſt venture his credit, that if his conſeerate p. 30hoſt was ſhuffled with vnconſecrate hoſts, or his conſecrated chalice ſet among vnconſecrated chalices, he was able by ſight to diſcerne which was his God? Dare you Sir Prieſt, venture a booke of ſixe pence price, that your ſight will ſerue you better?

35 Your hhAnnot in Heb. 1. 6.Heb 1:6Rhemiſts tell vsus, Whereſoeuer Chriſts perſon is, there it ought to be adored of men and Angels. And vponupon that ground (I thinke) you imagining that he is in the Prieſts hands at the eleuation in the Maſſe, and in the Pixe which is caried by the Prieſt when hee goes to viſite the ſicke; you bow or fall downe vponupon your knees adoring him. Now I would gladly know, why you bow not, or fall not downe vponupon your knees before eueryevery Communicant vponupon his receiuing of the Sacrament, ſeeing according to your doctrine, eueryevery of them receiues his maker, he is in eueryevery of their bellies.

36 I am told you teach, iiBellar lib. 4. de Euch. c. 16.that there is no Tranſubſtantiation, except he be a Prieſt who Conſecrates, and kkIdem. lib. 1. de Sacram, in genere cap. 27.hauehave an intent to conſecrate. Yea, I am told that ſome of llIoh. de Combis in compend. Theol lib. 6. cap. 6.you teach, that to Tranſubſtantiation non ſolum requiritur intentio conſecrantis, ſed etiam intentio iſtud Sacramentum inſtituentis, it is not onelyonly requiſite that the Prieſt hauehave an intent to conſecrate, but that Chriſt hauehave an intent alſo that hee ſhall conſecrate. Now ſeeing it is confeſſed by diuers of you, that mmPatolus Langius in Chron. …th. ad Ann. 1514 Ioh. Franc. L…o in Thelauro Fort Eccl part. 3. de prohibit. & praemijs. nu. 57.ſome hauehave taken vponupon them the name of Prieſts, who were none: nnBodin Damond. mania lib. 4. …. 5. Nie▪ Plow tract. de Euch.ſome being Prieſts, hauehave vſed the word of coſecration, without intent to conſecrate: and that ooIoh. de Comb. loco ſupra citato.ſometimes Chriſt is not diſpoſed the Prieſt ſhould conſecrate, though he ſpeake p. 31the words, and purpoſeth to conſecrate; I would know how any Papiſt can poſſibly know, when any of your hoſts are tranſubſtantiated, and when he may ſafely adore it? becauſe except there be Tranſubſtantiation, he committeth Idolatry in adoring; adoring bread and wine the creatures, in ſtead of the Creator.

37 Iram Iudicis placare neſcit oblatio niſi ex munditia place it offerentis,—idcirco non Abel ex muneribus, ſed ex Abel munera oblata placuerunt: prius namque ad eum legitur, Dominus reſpexiſſe qui dabat, quàm ad ill a quae dabat: No ſacrifice is acceptable to God, except the ſacrificer be acceptable,—and therefore it is, that God had not reſpect to Abel becauſe of his offerings, but hee had reſpect to the offerings becauſe of Abel: for it is written, that God firſt reſpected the giuer before hee reſpected the gift, ſaith ppLib. 22. expoſ. in Iob. c. 31. cap. 12.Job 31Saint Gregorie. And if this be true, I would know how you can auoide the acknowledgement of this Paradoxe, viz. That God is better pleaſed with your Maſſe-priest then with his Christ: or rather this, That God reſpects his Chriſt for your Prieſts ſake, and not your Prieſt for his Christs ſake: ſeeing your Maſſeprieſts are the ſacrificers, and Chriſt himſelfe (according to your learning) the ſacrifice; eſpecially this being conſidered withall, that your Prieſts, after conſecration, qqCanon. Miſſa.pray God he will vouchſafe to look downe with a mercifull and cheerfull countenance vponupon the things offered, (to wit, Chriſt in your learning) and to accept them as he did vouchſafe to accept the offerings of his righteous ſeruant Abel. For it ſeemes by this prayer, that the Prieſts preſume more of their p. 32owne credit with God, then of their offerings; in that they deſire the gifts may be accepted at their requeſts, and not they for the gifts.

38 It is plaine by Scripture, that Abraham, Iſaak, Iacob, Moſes, Dauid, &c. were holy men, and in great fauour with God. For we reade in Scripture, that Abraham is termed the Father of the faithfull, Rom. 4. 11. and the friend of God, Iames 2. 23. that Iſaak was the child of promiſe, Gal. 4. 28. that Iacob was beloued of God, Mal. 1. 2. and preuatled with God, Geneſ. 32. 28. that God ſpake to Moſes face to face, as a man ſpeakes to his friend, Exod. 33. 11. and that there aroſe not a Prophet ſince like Moſes, Deut. 34. 10. that Chriſt was Dauids ſonne, Math. 15. 22. and Dauid a man after Gods owne heart, Acts 13. 22. But it is not plaine by Scripture, nor by any ancient▪ approued Author, that your George, your Chriſtopher, your Katharin, your Vrſula, your Margaret, were holy perſons, and in great fauour with God; yet you make ſpeciall prayers to theſe, and none to Abraham, I ſaak, Iacob, Moſes, or Dauid: whereof I deſire to know the reaſon. For me thinks it is groſſe foolery, to neglect the old approued Saints, and to dote and rely vponupon yonger, of whoſe ſanctitie, yea of whoſe entitie, we hauehave no certaintie.

39 It is written in your bookes, that Maria apud Bernard. de Buſti in Mariali, part. 12 ſer. 2. de coronat. Mariae part. 1. Excellentia. 6.Deum omnibus Sanct is potentior eſt. Maria ſola plus poteſt apud Deum impetrare, quam omnes Sancti in coelo. The Virgin Marie can preuaile more of her ſelfe alone with God, then all the Saints in heauen beſides. Yea, it is written by Ludolphus, and Chryſoſtom à viſitatione, that velocior eſt nonnunquam ſalus innocato p. 33De vita Ieſu, part. 2. cap. 68. ſol. 257.nomine Mariae, quam inuocato nomine Domini vnici Filij eius: Men oftentimes finde more preſent helpe vponupon their praying to our Ladie, then vponupon their praying to Ieſus Chriſt. And in Diſcipulus de Lib. 2. de verbis Domin… …a filiu in Nup…ijs. cap. 2▪ Ser 161. de Sanctis.Tempore we reade, Nihil nos Deus voluit habere quod per manus Mariae non tranſiret: Gods will is, we ſhall hauehave nothing which paſſeth not▪ by the virgin Maries fingers. Now if this be true, I would know why men ſhould not pray to the virgin Marie only, who is ſo gracious and omnipotent, and ceaſe to trouble (if not Christ, yet) the reſt of the Saints, which in compariſon of her, are ſo graceleſſe and impotent?

40 I heare you ſay, that when you deſire our Kelliſon in his Suruey, lib. 3. cap. 12. …u. 17.Ladie and other Saints, to ſend you health, or to giuegive you grace, and to hauehave merciemercy on you; your meanning is no other, then to deſire them to procure of Chriſt by their prayers and interceſſions thoſe benefits for you. But here firſt I deſire to know, if you meane no worſe, why you ſpeake ſo harſhly? certainly the Rich Glutton, Luk. 16. 24. when he prayed, ſaying, Father Abraham hauehave merciemercy on me, had a further The I…ponians pray to their S aint Amida, D… ſalusem Amida. Muff…us ſelect. …piſt. …x India, lib. 4. p. 209.meaning, then to deſire Abraham to pray for him. And the Patriarke Iacob, when his wife Rahel ſaid vntounto him, GiueGive me children, or elſe Idle, Geneſ. 30. 2. ſuppoſed ſhe had a further meaning in thoſe words, then to deſire him to procure her children of God by his prayers, for elſe why was his wrath kindled againſt her for ſaying ſo. Secondly, I deſire to know, if you meane no other, why you tell vsus ſo many tales of the virgin Maries deſcending from heauen to helpe her ſuppliants on earth: and of other Saints perſonall and actuall performance p. 34of ſuch things as were begged of them. It is written Caeſar. dial. lib. 7 cap. 24. Diſcip. lib. de miraculis B. Virginis, Exemp. 30.in your books, That a Prieſt hauing his tongue cut out by heretickes, vponupon his mentall prayer to the virgine Marie, had another put in. The virgin Marie, digitis ori eius immiſsis, putting her finger into the Prieſts mouth (it was well he bit her not) faſtned him in a new tongue. She helped him not with her prayers, but with her fingers.

41 In the ſame bookes of yours it is written, Caeſar dial. lib. 7. cap. 25.That the virgin Marie preſcribed phyſicke to a boy with a ſcald head, who vſed to pray to her: and that by laying her owne hands on his head, ſhee preſerued him from head▪acheuer after. By Phyſicke, and other meanes Diſcip. lib. citat. Exempl 35.then prayers, the cured the boy of his infirmities. In the ſame bookes it is written, That a good fellow called Peter, prayed to the virgin Marie for help: and that ſhee appeared to him with Hyppolitus in her companie, commanding Hyppolitus to helpe him▪ which Hyppolitus did, not by praying for him, but by binding vp his ſores with his hands Chirurgion-like. In the ſame bookes Diſcip. Exempl. 24.it is written, that an Abbeſſe, who was with childe by an officer of hers, prayed the virgine Marie to help her at a dead lift, and to ſaue her credit: which the virgin Marie did, not by praying for her, but by bringing two Angels with her, who played the midwiues, helping her to be deliuerd of her child inſtantly, and carying it (by the virgin Maries appointment) to an Eremite, cōmanding him in the virgin Maries name to keepe it till it was ſeuen yeares old. In the ſame Caſar. dial. lib 7. cap. 35. & Diſcip. Exempl. 25.bookes it is written, that the virgin Marie ſaued likewiſe the credit of a whore-Nunne called Beatrix, not by praying for her, but by perſonall ſupplying of her p. 35place in an Oratorie, by the ſpace of fifteene yeares together, whilest ſhe ranne a whoring after a whore-monger Prieſt, and no body knew ſhe was miſsing. Your Cardinall Annal. To. 6. ad an. 449. … 39.Baronius tels vsus ſoberly, that Leo 1. hauing written an Epiſtle to Flauianus Biſhop of Conſtantinople againſt Eu…yches and Neſtorius, he layed it vponupon S. Peters tombe, praying him inſtantly that if there were any error, he would amend it: and that after certaine dayes (it ſeemes S. Peter tooke time to conſider well of it) S. Peter appeared vntounto Leo, and told him that he had amended it. Whereupon Leo ſumens Epiſtolam de ſepulchro B. Petri aperuit eam, & inuenit Apoſtolica manu emendatam: the Pope taking the Epiſtle away, and opening it, he found it corrected with the Apoſtles owne hand. Which ſtorie ſeemes to argue, that when Leo deſired Peter to amend his Epiſtle, hee meant more then to deſire him to procure it amended of God by his prayers.

42 Annot. in 2. Cor. 1. 11.2 Cor 1:11Your Rhemiſts tell vsus, that it is abſurd to ſay, that the interseſsion of our fellowes beneath is more auailable then the prayers of thoſe that be in the glorious ſight of God aboue. Now if it be indeed abſurd to ſay ſo, I would gladly know of you why S. Paul, Rom. 15. 30. deſired the Romanes, v and 2. Cor. 1. 11. the Corinthians, and Epheſ. 6. … the Epheſians, and Col. 4. 3. the Coloſſians, and 1. Theſſ. 5. 25. & 2. Theſ. 3. 1. the Theſſalonians, and Heb. 13. 18. the Hebrews, all of them his fellowes beneath, to pray for him; and deſired none of the Saints in the glorious ſight of God aboue to pray for him. And why S. Iames, Chap. 5. 16. aduiſed them to whom he writ, that one of them (beneath) ſhould pray for another; p. 36and required them not to pray to the Saints in the glorious ſight of God aboue for helpe.

43 F…ria 5. quartae Dominicae Quadrag ſer. 30 de ſuff…agij… mortuorum.Again, if it be abſurd to ſay, that the interceſsion of our fellowet beneath is more auailable then the prayers of thoſe that be in the glorious ſight of God aboue; I would gladly know why you tell vsus ſo many tales of ſoules creeping out of Purgatorie, crauing the help of their fellowes beneath; and not one, of any ſoule crauing the helpe of any of the Saints in the glorious ſight of God aboue. HaueHave not the ſoules in Purgatory ſo much wit, as to repaire to them for helpe, who are beſt able to helpe them? Or are you of Leonard de Vtino his mind, who holdeth, quod efficaciora ſunt ſuffragia Eccleſia praeſentis facta pro aliquo in Purgatoric exiſtente, quam orationes Sanctorum in patria: That the prayers of the Church militant are more auailable for ſoules in Purgatory, then the prayers of the Church triumphant?

44 Vergerius reports, aa…nnotat. in Indie. lib. prohib. an. 1559. pag. 9.that it is written in an Italian booke, intitled, Floſculi S. Franciſcs, that the virgin Marie by the merit of her virginitie ſaued all women to the time of S. Clare, as Chriſt by the merit of hi… paſſion ſaued all men till the time of Saint Francis, in whoſe dayes S. Clare liued. And he further reports, that whereas he anſwered that booke, bbDiſcorſi ſopra li. …iore…ti, di S. Franciſco, lit. D.his anſwer was condemned as hereticall in three ſeuerall Indices of bookes forbidden, and ſo it is in the laſt of Clemens 8. Now if his report be true, I would know how you can ſaue Cardinal Bellarmines credit, who denies, ccPraefat. con…. 7 to. 1.that any Catholike did euer equall in any ſort the virgin Marie vntounto Chriſt? for as it is confeſſed in that book, that Chriſt ſaued mē, p. 37ſo the Author profeſſeth, that ſhe ſaued women.

45 Ambroſius Catharinus in an Oration which he made An. 1546. in the ſecond Seſſion at Trent, ddActa Cout. Trid. impreſſ. Antuerp. 1546. fol. 57.termed her Fideliſsimam ſociam Chriſti, Chriſts moſt faithfull fellow or companion. And another great Papiſt did not ſticke to write, eeIn Maviali lib. 1. cap. 3. …ſt… Illir…o i… … italogo teſt. verit. col. 36. edit. 1608Fuit Dominus cum Maria, & ipſa cum Domino in eodem labore, & eodem opere redemptionis: Mater enim miſericordiae adiuuit Patrem miſericor diae in opere noſtrae ſalutis: Our Lord was with Marie, and Marie with our Lord, in the ſame labour and in the ſame worke of our redemption: for the Mother of merciemercy helped the Father of merciemercy in the worke of our ſaluation. Who fearing ſome might reply on Chriſts behalfe, that it was written, Eſay 63. I hauehave trode… the wine-preſſe alone, and of all the people there was not one man with me: in way of preuenting that, goes on thus: Verum eſt Domine, quod non eſt vir tecum, ſed mulier vna tecum eſt, quae omnia vulnera qua tu ſuſcipiſti in corpore, ſuſcipit in corde: It, is true Lord that thou ſayeſt, There was no man with thee, but there was a woman with thee, which ſuffered all the wounds in her heart, which thou ſufferedſt in thy bodie. Do not theſe ſpeeches argue, that ſome Catholickes hauehave equalled in ſome ſort the virgin Mary vntounto Chriſt?

46 You apply that to the Virgin Marie, which the Scriptures apply to Chriſt. The Scriptures ſay, that ffGen. 3. 15.Gen 3:15The ſeed of the woman (meaning Chriſt, the God of peace, Rom. 16. 20.) ſhall bruiſe the Serpents head: you ggBernard. de Buſti in Maviali, pa…t. 12. ſe…. 2. de coronat M…ri, Excell…tia 27.ſay, the virgin Marie bruiſed it. The Scriptures ſay, that Of his fulneſſe we all hauehave receiued euen grace for grace, Ioh. 1. 16. you ſay, hhDiſ…p. de Tep. ſer. de concepti…Veraciter dicere p. 38poſſumus, tam de matre quam de filio, &c. we may as truly ſay, that of her fulnes we hauehave receiued grace. The Scriptures ſay, that Chriſt did reconcile all things to himſelfe, Coloſſ. 1. 20. and that he did redeeme vsus from our vaine conuerſation by his bloud, 1. Pet. 1. 18. 19. and you ſay the ſame in effect of her. For you affirme that ſhe was iiBernard. lib. citat. pag. v…t.Redemptrix vniuerſi: kkIbid.Recuperatrix perditiorbis: and that llStainhurſt in Hebdom. Mariana. printed 1609. p. 85. & 113.per illam omnia in ſtatum priſtinum ſunt reſtituta. The Scriptures ſay, that Chriſt was giuen adeducendum claustro vinctum, to bring priſoners out of priſon, Eſay 42. 7. and you aſcribe as much to her: for you pray to her thus, mmOffi… ▪ b. Mariae virg. poſt aduent. ad veſperas.Solue vincla reis. The Scriptures ſay, that Chriſt was that Lambe which taketh away the ſin of the world, Ioh. 1. 29. and you ſeeme to beleeue ſhe can doe as much; for to her you vſe to pray, nnIbid.Mala noſtra pelle, put away our euils; meaning by euils, ſinnes. The Scriptures ooHeb. 7. 26.Heb 7:26note it as a prerogatiue of Chriſts, that p Bernard. de Buſts▪ in offi…. de con…ept. Virg. die 6. lect. 6.he was without ſin: and you tell vsus, that ſicut Chriſtus redemptor noſter ſine originali extitit, it a reparatrix noſtra Maria illi ſimilis in hoe ſuiſſe comprobatur: ſhee was like him in this. And doth not this alſo argue, that ſome Catholiks hauehave equalled in ſome ſort the virgin Marie vntounto Chriſt?

47 You giuegive the virgin Marie anſwerable titles to thoſe which are giuen God, For as God is called the King of heauen, …an▪ 4. 34. ſo you call her, qqIn Antiphona quae incipi…, Salue Regina.the Queene of heauen. As God is called, the Father of mercies, 2. Cor. 1. 3. ſo you call her, rrIbid.the mother of merciemercy. As God is called, the Author of all comfort, 2. Cor. 1. 3. ſo you call her ſſStainhurſt. lib. … p. 155.the fountain of all comfort. As Chriſt Ieſus is called Our Hope, 1. Tim. 1. 1. p. 39ſo ttIn Antiph. Salue Regina.you call her. As Chriſt Ieſus is called our Aduocate, 1. Ioh. 2. 1. ſo uuCoſletus in perorat. ad Virg. ad … Apol. 1. adu. Gom…rum.you call her. As hee is called our Sauiour, Luke 2. 11. ſo ſhe xxBonauent. in Cant. ad in…tar Eſai. 22.Isa 22a Sauioureſſe by you. As hee a Mediator. 1. Tim. 2. 5. ſo ſhe yyIdem in Cant. adi…ſtar illius qui aſcribitur Aug. et Ambroſ.a Mediatrix. As he a Redeemer, Pſa. 78. 35. ſo ſhe zzB…rn. de Buſts in Mariali. p. uſe.a Redemptrix. As hee omnipotent, Math. 28. 18. ſo aaBon…uent. in hymn… ad in ſtar illius Exod. 15.Exod 15ſhee. As hee the morning Starre, Apoc. 22. 16. ſo bbCoſter. meditat. in hymn. A…e.ſhe. As he our life, Ioh. 14. 6. ſo ccAntiph. Salue Regina.ſhe. As hee our Lord, Ioh. 20. 28. ſo ddPaſa…m.ſhe our Ladie. As he our God, Ioh. 20. 28. ſo ſhe our eeL…ſ. l. de virg. Aſp…icolle, cap. 3 & 5. lib. 8 …p. 17. Epiſt…l. d Bimbo ſcript ſub nonvine Leo. 10.Goddeſſe. As he a chiefe corner ſtone, Eph. 2. 20. ſo ffBon…uent. 10. 6. in lib. inſeripto, Laus b. virg. Mariae. p. 473. gſhee. As hee the glorie of his people Iſrael, Luke 2. 32. ſo g ſhee. And as hee was aſſumed into heauen in bodie, Acts 1. 9. ſo was ſhee hhRhem Annot in Act. 1. 14.Acts 1:14you ſay. And as the firſt day of the weeke is obſerued in remembrance of him, Apocap. 1. ſo the laſt day of the weeke is obſerued holy by you in remembrance of her. For Sabbathum cuiu ſque hebdomadis Mariae ſacrum eſſe, vix eſt qui ne ſciat, ſaith Ferreolus Locrius Mariae Auguſtae lib. 6. cap. 23. and Dies Sabbathi dedi nota eſt glorioſae virgini Mariae, ſaith Diſcipulus de Tempore, ſer. 164. And doth not this alſo proue, that ſome of you Catholiks equall in ſome ſort the virgin Marie vntounto Chriſt?

48 Fiunt in Eccleſiis proceſsiones annuatim ad honorem Saluatoris in die Palmarum; & ſimiliter ad honorem matris ſuae in die Purificationis ad correſpondendum ad diem Palmarum: As vponupon Palme-ſunday you keepe yearely a Proceſſion in honour of Chriſt; ſo anſwerably thereunto you keepe yearly on the day of the virgin Maries purification, a ſolemne Proceſſion in honour of her, as Bernardinus confeſſeth in Mariali 6. part. ſer. 2. part. 2. de viſitatione Mariae. And p. 40Statuit Eccleſia Officium particulare quod di…itur▪ ſi… gulis diebus ad honor emipſius Virginis, iiTheſe words are left out in Edit. 1607. but they are in the Edit. 1515.ſicut …lind Officium ad honorem Dei: as you hauehave ſet Seruice appointed for eueryevery day to the honour of God, ſo your Church hath appointed ſet Seruice for eueryevery day in honour of her, as the ſame man witneſſeth in the ſame place. And whereas Dauid and ſome other holy perſons made Pſalmes in their daye… to the honour of God, all which Pſalmes, except two, are recorded in holy Scripture: did not a great Cardinall among you **It was reprinted at Rome in Sixtus 5. dayes, and ſince at▪ Ments An. 1609 To. 6. operum Bo…uenturae.publiſh a booke, intitled Pſalterium B. Virginis, The Pſalter of the bleſſed virgin Marry? in which there are 150 Pſalmes, whoſe beginnings anſwer to the beginnings of Dauids 150 Pſalmes; and eight other Pſalmes anſwering to eight Pſalmes recorded in other places of the Bible, carying the names of Eſay, Ezechias, Hanna, Moſes, Abacuk, the three children, and Zachary, beſides one much like to that which is fathered on S. Ambroſe and S. Auſtin, beginning, We praiſe thee O Lord: and another like that of Athanaſius Creed, beginning, Whoſoeuer will be ſaued; and all this to the honour of the virgin Mary. Is it not true, Sir Prieſt, that what Dauid and other holy men in their Pſalmes and hymnes aſcribed to God, eſpecially in the firſt verſe of eueryevery their Pſalmes and hymnes, that in this booke of your Cardinals is aſcribed to the virgin Mary? Doth not Dauid in the firſt verſe of his ſeuenth Pſalme ſay, O Lord my God in thee I put my truſt: and doth not your Bonauenture in the firſt verſe of his ſeuenth Pſalme ſay, O thou my good Ladie, in thee hauehave I put my truſt? Is not this p. 41the beginning of Dauids ninth Pſalme, I will praiſe the Lord with my whole heart? and this the beginning of Bonauentures ninth Pſalme, I wil praiſe thee O Ladie with all my heart? In the 16 Pſalme Da…d ſaith, Preſerue me O Lord▪ and your Bonauenture in his 16 Pſalme ſaith, Preſerue me O Ladie. I will louelove thee, O Lord, ſaith Dauid in his 18 Pſalme: but I will louelove thee O Lady, ſaith Bon…uenture in his 18 Pſalme. The heauens declare the glory of God, ſaith kkPſal. 19. 1.Ps 19:1Dauid: The heauens declare thy glory, ſaith Bonauenture ſpeaking of the virgin Mary. The Lord i… my light, ſaith llPſal. 27. 1.Ps 27:1Dauid: Our Lady is my light, ſaith Bonauenture. In thee O Lord hauehave I put my truſt, &c. ſaith mmPſal. 31. ver. 1. 3. 5.Ps 31:1Ps 31:3Ps 31:5Dauid: In thee O Lady hauehave I put my truſt▪ Thou art my ſtrength and my fortreſſe; … thy hands O Lady I commend my ſpirit, ſaith Bonauenture. nnPſal. 33. 1.Ps 33:1Reioyce in the Lord, O ye righteous: ooPſal. 34. 1.Ps 34:1I will alway giuegive thankes vntounto the Lord, his praiſe ſhall be in my mouth continually, ſaith Dauid. Reioyce in our Lady O ye righteous; I will alway giuegive thankes vntounto our Lady, her praiſe ſhall be in my mouth continually, ſaith Bonauenture. ppPſal. 51. 1.Ps 51:1HaueHave mercy vponupon me O Lord, &c. qqPſal. 54. 1.Ps 54:1Saue me O God by thy name▪ rrPſal. 92. 1.Ps 92:1It is a good thing to praiſe the Lord, ſſPſal. 95. 1. 2.Ps 95:1Ps 95:2Come let vsus reioyce vntounto the Lord, &c. ſaith Dauid. HaueHave mercy vponupon me O Lady, according to the multitude of thy compaſsions put away mine iniquities; Saue me O Lady by thy name▪ It is a good thing to pr…ſ… the virgin Mary▪ and to ſing vntounto … lt us … Lady, let v… worſhip and fall downe before her, ſaith Bonauenture. ttPſal 98. 1.Ps 98:1Sing vntounto the Lord a new ſong, &c. uuPſal. 100. 1. 2Ps 100:1Ps 100:2Sing ye loud vntounto the Lord all the earth, &c. ſaith Dauid Sing vntounto our Lady a new ſong, for … …ar…llou… things; Sing ye p. 42loud vntounto our Lady all the earth, and ſerue her with gladnes▪ ſaith Bonauenture. xxPſal. 102. 1.Ps 102:1O Lord heare my prayer, & let my cry come vntounto thee: yyPſalm. 103. 1. 2. 3.Ps 103:1Ps 103:2Ps 103:3My ſoule praiſe thou the Lord▪ and all that is within me praiſe his holy name: My ſoule praiſe thou the Lord, &c. which …ogiueth all thine iniquities, &c. ſaith Dauid. O Lady heare my prayer, and let my cry come to thee; My ſoule praiſe thou our Lady, which forgiueth all thy ſinnes, ſaith Bonauenture. zzPſal. 110. 1.Ps 110:1The Lord ſaid to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, ſaith Dauid. The Lord ſaid vntounto our Lady, Good mother ſit thou on my right hand, ſaith Bonauenture. And to omit a hundred like ſpeeches, whereas Dauid ſaith, aaPſalm. 150. v. vl….Ps 150Let eueryevery thing that hath breath praiſe the Lord; Bonauenture ſaith, Let eueryevery thing that hath breath praiſe our Lady. Eſay in his Pſalme ſaith, bbChap. 12.I will praiſe thee O Lord, &c. but Bonauenture in his Pſalme ſaith, I wil praiſe thee O Lady; Behold my Lady is my ſaluation, I will truſt and not feare; declare our Ladies works among c 1 Sam. 2. 1. 2. 71 Sam 2:11 Sam 2:21 Sam 2:7the people. Hanna in her Pſalme ſaith, Mine horne is exalted in the Lord, &c. but Bonauenture in his Pſalme ſaith, Mine horne is exalted in our Lady; There d De…. 32. 1. &c.is none ſo holy as our Lady, ſhe maketh poore & maketh rich, ſhe bringeth low and ex ilteth. Moſes in the one of his two Pſalmes ſaith, Hearken ye heauens, &c. for I will publiſh the name of the Lord; but Bonauenture in his Pſalme ſaith, Hearken ye heauens what I will e Dan 3. in the vulg. Lat.Dan 3ſpeake of our Lady, …ye. O all yee workes of the Lord, bleſſe ye the Lord, &c. ſaid the three children in their Pſalme; but Bonauenture ſaith, O all ye workes … the Lord, bleſſe ye our Lady, &c. Bleſſed he the Lord God of Iſrael▪ And thou child ſhalt he called the Prophet of the higheſt, ſaid ffLuke 1.Luke 1Zachary in his Pſalme; but Bonauenture p. 43ſaith, Bleſſed be our Lady the mother of our Lord God of Iſrael; And thou Mary ſhalt be called the Prophet of the higheſt. Wee praiſe thee O God, we acknowledge thee to be the Lord, ſaid Ambroſe and Auſtin in their Pſalme; We praiſe thee O Lady, we acknowledge thee O Mary to be a Virgin, ſaith Bonauenture. Whoſoeuer will be ſaued, it is neceſſary, before all things, that he hold the Catholike faith, &c. ſaid Athanaſius; but Whoſoeuer will be ſaued, it is neceſſary before all things, that be ſ…edfaſtly beleeue what concernes the virgin Mary. And doth not all this proue, that ſome of you Catholiks do in ſome ſort equall the virgin Mary vntounto Chriſt.

49 Omnia quae Dei ſunt, Mariae ſunt: quia mater & ſponſa Dei illa eſt: All things which are Gods, are the virgin Maries, becauſe ſhe is both the ſpouſe and mother of God, ſaith ggChryſoſt dviſitat▪ To. 1. de verb. Dom. lib. 4. cap. 8.a great Rabbin of yours. And To… creatureae ſeruiunt glorioſae Mariae virgi…i, quot ſeruiunt Trinitati▪ As many creatures honour the virgin Mary, as honour the Trinitie, hhApud Bernard. de Buſti in Ma…ial…, part. 12. ſer. 2. de coronat. Mar …. Excel. 10.ſaith another. Chriſt was willing (as iiIbid.ſome of your men ſay) Paterno principatui quodam modo principatum … quiparare mater num, that his mothers ſoueraigntie ſhould in ſome ſort equall the ſoueraignti… of God his Father. As it is a true propoſition, kkIbid.Diuino imperio omnia famulantur, & Virgo: All creatures, euen the Virgin her ſelfe, are ſubiect to Gods command: ſo is this propoſition true, Imperio Virgin… omnia ſamulantur, & Deus: All creatures, and God himſelfe, are ſubiect to the virgin Maries command. llBernard. de B…ſt, part. 11. ſer. 2. … Aſſump. virg. part. 1.Duae Cathedra, &c. Two chaires of eſtate were prepared in heauen, the one for Chriſt, the other for the virgin p. 44Marie. And ſhee ſits by him (as mmIdem ſer 4. de Aſſump. ſer. 2.you ſay) vt genus humanum habeat ſemper ante f…ciem Dei Adi…torium ſimile Chriſto, ad pro…urandum ſuam ſalutem, that mankind may hauehave alwayes before God an Aduocate like to Chriſt. Were they no Catholickes in whom we reade theſe? or, doth it not manifeſtly herehence follow, that ſome of you Catholickes hauehave equalled in ſome ſort the virgin Marie vntounto Chriſt?

50 You aaGabriel Biel in expoſit. Can. Miſſ. Lect. 80. Bernard. de Buſti in Marials, part. 3 ſer 3. de Nominat. Maria. Caſſand conſulta… tit▪ de merit. & interceſſ Sanct.teach, that whereas Gods kingdome conſiſts of Iuſtice and of mercy; God retaining to himſelfe the one halfe thereof, to wit, Iuſtice, gaue the other halfe, to wit, mercy to his mother. You tell vsus, bbChryſoſt. a viſirat. to. 2. lib. 1. de verbis Dom▪ ad ſ…lium in Nisp…ijs cap. 2.that vt lo…ior eſt nonnunquam ſalus memorato nomine Mariae, quam inuocate nomine Domini Ieſu vn…ti ſilij eius: Men may oftentimes be ſooner ſaued by calling on the virgin Mary▪ then on Chriſt. You tell vsus, ccBern de Buſti lib. cit part. 9. ſer. 2. Aſsi…l. 2. Sedul. in Apolog. pro lib conform. lib. 3. cap. 17.that Saint Francis his Frier who could not get into heauen by the helpe of the red ladder, at the top whereof Chriſt ſtood, got eaſily into heauen by the help of the white ladder, at the top whereof his mother ſtood. ddManuell of prayers printed at Doway 1604 pag. 304.You wiſh ſicke folkes to call vponupon the virgin Marie, in aſſurance that ſhee will make their entrance into the kingdome of heauen, when other wiſe it might be, through the diuine iuſtice of God, they could not enter in by reaſon of their iniquities. And the like counſell you giuegive to others who are in extremitie: for cum adoleſcent quidam Lu…etiae ad ſupplicium ill ud exquiſitum & her rendum fide… nomine duceretur, ac palo inſpecto ſubind… exclamaret, Domine Deus habe miſerationem mer; m…gni quidam nominis Theologus mulaeinſidens, ide…idem p. 45inerepantis voce & geſta acclamauit; Dic, inquit; Mari… mater gratiae, mater miſericordiae, &c. when a yong man was to be burnt at Paris for his faith, vponupon ſight of the ſtake, cried, O Lord my God hauehave thou merciemercy vponupon me; a great Diuine of yours, who rode by on a mule, reproued him ſharply, and bad him call vponupon the mother of grace and merciemercy, &c. as eeConſultas. tit. de meritis & interceſſ. Sanct. & lib. de officio …ij viri.Caſſander witneſſeth. Now this being thus, I deſire to know how you can cleare your ſelues from holding, that the virgin Marie is more mercifull then Chriſt, and that you repoſe more truſt and confidence in her then in Chriſt?

51 It is well knowne that you make mo prayers to the virgin Mary then to Chriſt: ffDowly in his Inſtr. of Chriſt. Relig. chap. 8.for ſhe hath ten Aue Maries of you, for one Pater noſter that Chriſt hath. It is well knowne ggBernard lib cit. part. 6. ſer. 2. de viſit at Maria.that your Preachers before their Sermons make their entrance not with a Pater noſter to Chriſt, but with an Aue Maria to the bleſſed Virgin. For Omnes pr aedicantes exordium pro gratid impetranda à ſalutatione Angelica faciunt, ſaith Bernardinus de Buſti. It is well knowne, that ſhee hath the honour of receiuing thankes before Chriſt: for vponupon finiſhing of your books which you publiſh, you conclude with hhGreg de Vale…. ad fine… colleq. Mo…pelgurs…nſis & alibi ſup.Laus Deo & beatiſsimae Virgini, Deo item Ieſu Chriſto: Glorie be to God the Father, and to the moſt bleſſed Virgin, and to God the Sonne: you giuing precedencie to the virgin Marie before her Sonne, not remembring at all the holy Ghoſt. And doth not this your ſo often praying vntounto her, and praying to her before her Sonne, and rendring of thankes vntounto her before her Sonne, argue that you honour p. 46her more then her Sonne?

52 It is well knowne, that you hauehave moe Churches and Oratories which you call by her name, then by Chriſts. iiBeru…r lib.cit. part. 6. ſir. 2. part. 2. de viſuas Maria.Non eſt ciuitas, vel caſtrum, ſeu villa, quae non habet Eccleſiam vel ſaltem Capellam aliquā ad hinorem virginis Maria: imo plures reperiuntur Eccleſiae ci intitulasae, quam in honorem Saluator is & Sanctorum omnium: There is not a citie, not a caſtle, nor a grange houſe, which hath not either a church or a chappell dedicated to the virgin Marie: yea there are mo… Churches dedicated to the virgine Mary then to Chriſt and to all his Saints. It is well knowne ſhee hath more Holy dayes obſerued by you to her honour, then Chriſt to his: for hee (for any thing I can learne) hath onelyonly theſe dayes obſerued as holy by you, viz. his Natiuitie, his Circumciſion, his Aſcention, and Corpus Chriſti, as it is called: but kkTo r…ol. Locriut Mariae Auguſtae lib. 6. cap. 1. &c.ſhe hath her Feaſt of Conception, of her Natiuitie, of her preſentation in the Temple, of her Annuntiation, of her Viſitation, of her Purification, of her Aſſumption, her ſnow feaſt, as you call it, beſides the feaſt of her Eſpouſals, of her ſorowes, of her ioyes, and her weekly Saturday feaſt. It is well knowne ſhe hath more preſents and gifts beſtowed vponupon her, then Chriſt hath vponupon him. For llEraſm in col…loq de Per…gr. Relig. orgo.you decke her Churches and Chappels with gold and ſiluer, and precious ſtones; whereas Chriſts are open to winde and weather. mmSee D. Mortons Proteſtáts Appeale. lib. 2. cap. 12. ſoct. 12. pag. 242. iumarg.Where ſhee hath had by Offerings 200 pounds yearely, there Chriſt hath had ſome yeares but fiue markes, and ſome yeares not a pennie. It is well knowne you go oftener of pilgrimage to her Image, then vntounto p. 47to Chriſts. For in Italy you go by droues to her Image at Loretto; in Liguria you go to Sauona; in Spaine to the mount Serrato; in France to the towne of Cleere, in the Low Countries to Hales; and with vsus in England (when it was Popiſh) you flocked to her Image at Ipſwich and Walſingham, as nnPrompt. Cathol. in f…ſto Nat …. Virg. p. 195.Stapleton witneſſeth: whereas of ſuch flocking to any of Chriſts Images, wee neither reade nor heare of. And doth not this your intitling Churches with her name, and obſeruing of Holy dayes to her honour, and preſenting her with ſuch gifts, and running of pilgrimage to her Image ſo far and ſo often, fortifie the former concluſion, that you honour her more then Chriſt?

53 ooBern. de Buſli in Marialipar. 6. ſer. 2. a… viſisat. Mariae.Slatuit Eccleſia quod ſingulis diebus ter pulſentur campanae ad honorem benedictae matris Dei, maxime de mane, & de ſero, vt omnes ipſam immaculatam Virginem genibus flex is adorantes venerentur, ac beatificent; &c. your Church hath ordained that three times a day a bell (which you call your Auc Mary bell) ſhall be rung to put men in mind of worſhipping the virgin Mary, of recommending your ſelues to her, of that thankfulneſſe which you owe to her: but you hauehave no ordenance for the ringing of a bell in ſuch ſort, to put men in minde of worſhipping Chriſt. Your Church hath taught men to pray to the virgin Mary to command her Sonne. Orae Patrem, & iube Filio: Intr…ate God ſhe Father, and command God thy Sonne, was ppCaſſand. conſule tit. de …eri…h & inter…eſſ. Sanct. & lib de offici… py viri▪ &c.an vſuall prayer in many Churches: and ſo was,

O faelix puerper…,

Noftr… pians ſcel…a,

p. 48In re matris nupera

Redemptori.

And in your qqTo. 6. Pſal. 35. pag. 481. edit.Ps 35Bonauenture Ladies Pſalter lately printed, Coge illum peccatoribus miſereri: Compell him (viz. Chriſt) to hauehave merciemercy vponupon ſinners, ſaith Bonauenture ſpeaking of the virgine Mary. And in another rrTo. …dem. pag. 466.Treatiſe of Bonauentures making, called Corona B. Mariae virginis, this formall prayer is to be found: O Imperatrix & Domina nostra benigniſſima, in re matris impera tu… delectiſsimo fil… Domin… noſtro Ieſu Chriſte, vt mentes noſtr as ab amore terreſtrium ad coeleſtia deſideria crigere dignetur: O noble Empreſſe and kind Ladie, we pray thee vſe the authoritie of a mother, and command thy Sonne and our Sauiour to turne our hearts from the louelove of earthly things, vntounto the louelove of heauenly. Doth not this your care to ſee her ſerued, and the ſoueraigntie which you giuegive her ouer her Sonne, inforce that you eſteeme of her more then of Chriſt?

54 You tell vsus, that ſſMarialelib. 1. cap. 2 teſte Illyrico in catal. teſtium veritat. edit. 1608. col 36Salomon dicit, qui parum nouerat de Maria, ttProu. 18. 10.Prov 18:10Turris fortiſsima nomen Domini, ad ipſam confugiet iuſtus, & exaltabitur: nobis autem dicendum, Turris furtiſsima nomen Dominae, ad ipſa… confugiet peccator, & ſaluabitur: Salomon who knew little of the virgin Mary, ſaid, The name of the Lord is a ſtrong tower, the righteous ſhall come viſto it, and be exalted: but we muſt ſay, The name of our Ladie Is a ſtrong tower, let the ſinner come vntounto it, and he ſhall be ſaued. You tell of a uuDiſcip de Tep. de … vac. …. virg. Exempl. 57.…oldi… ▪ who did neuer any other good deed, then ſaying of an Aue Mary when hee aroſe in the morning, and another when hee went to bed a… euening, p. 49who graita Virgini… ſaluatus eſt, was ſaued by the grace of the virgine Marie. And you tell vsus of a xxIbid. Exempl… 97. es Caeſar. dial lib. 7. cap. 59. & Locrius Mariae Auguſta lib. 6. cap. 23.theefe and murtherer, who did neuer good deed, but that he faſted Saturday in honour of the virgin Marie, who for that was likewiſe ſaued. You tell vsus of an yyDiſcip. loco cis. exempl. 96.vnthrift, who to get wealth by diuelliſh means, renounced Chriſt; and yet becauſe he would not renounce the virgin Marie, was pardoned: and of a zzExempl. 99.graceleſſe gentleman, of whom Chriſt himſelfe complained as of one that crucified him, who yet becauſe he honored the virgin Mary by faſting Saturday, ſped well enough. You tell vsus of aaExempl. 98.one who ſhould hauehave beene condemned by Chriſt, by reaſon of his ſinfulneſſe, who yet was abſolued at the Virgins intreatie, for that he was one of her ſeruants: and of bbExempl. 50.another that was indeed condemned to hell by Chriſt; and yet repriued by reaſon of her importunitie, and afterwards ſaued. Do not all theſe tales (ordinarily told in your pulpits) conuince, that your forefathers laboured to perſwade the people, rather to truſt in the virgin Mary then in her Sonne Chriſt Ieſus? Multi videntur B. Virginem in maiore veneratione habere quàm Chriſtum filium eius: Many ſeeme to honour the bleſſed Virgin more then her Sonne Chriſt, ſaith a ccBern. de Buſti in Marials par. 6 ſer. 2. de viſita…. Mariae.great man of your Religion; imputing the cauſe thereof to their **Magi… ex ſimplicitate … quam ſei…tia.ſimplicitie; but he might more iuſtly hauehave imputed it to your doctrine; and the rather, for that he addeth in the ſame place, Quta honor matris redundat in ſilium, Prou. 17. patientiam habet filius Del de hac qu…rundam vir orem & mulierem ſimplicitate: Becauſe the honor of the mother redound… to the honour p. 50of the child, as we reade, Prou. 17. the Sonne of God beares with the ſimplicitie of ſuch men and women as honour his mother more then himſelfe. For doth not this doctrine affoord good encouragement for ſuch practiſe?

55 I finde in many of your aaInſtitutio Chriſtiana ad initiū Officij B. Maria Virg. Ledeſma.Catechiſmes, the ſecond Commandement of the Decalogue left out quite: and in bbLedeſma. Adrianus Ieſuita, lib. de confeſſ. Bruno in his Treatiſe of the Sac. of Penance cap. 12.ſome of your Catechiſmes, for Remember thou ſanctifie the Sabbath day, I find, Remember to ſanctifie the Holy dayes. And in your ccCap. de 9. e… 10 pr…cepto.Trent Catechiſme I find the ninth and tenth Commandement ſo huddled together, that I know not how it diſtinguiſheth and rankes them; whether it makes, Thou ſhalt not couet thy neighbours wife, the ninth commandement, as ddLedeſina. Douly, &c. See Defence of the Cenſure, p. 134.ſome popiſh Catechiſmes do; or the tenth, as eeInſtit. Chriſt. ſupra citat. Diſcip. de Tempore, ſer. 143.others do. My deſire is you would giuegive mee a reaſon of leauing out the ſecond, and of changing the third according to your account, the fourth in ours; and ſuch nimbling of the 9. and 10. together, that you cannot agree among your ſelues which is the ninth, which is the tenth.

56 You teach, that ffRadford in his Directory to the truth. chap. 16. p. 115.to ſpeake againſt your Pope is a moſt deadly ſinne againſt the firſt commandement of God: that ggNauar. in …nchirin. cap. 11. n…. 32.to deuiſe or to procure pictures to be deuiſed by others, which may in any ſort be diſgracefull to your Pope or to his Cardinals, or to any of your Popiſh Hierarchy, is a ſin againſt the firſt commandement. That hhVincent Bruno in his Treatiſe of Penance, chap. 10.to keepe bookes either of heretickes, or for any other reſpect, forbidden by your Church, is a ſin againſt the firſt commandement. That iiIbid.not to detect a man infected with hereſie to whom he ought (that is, not to detect a Proteſtant to the Inquiſition) is a ſinne againſt the firſt p. 51commandement. That kkIbid.to diſſwade or hinder any for entring Religion (that is, in your language, from being a Monke or a Nunne) is to ſinne againſt the firſt commandement. That llBriefe forme of confeſsion added to Vaux his Catech. p. 225.to ſet light by, and not to regard the ceremonies of your Church, is a ſinne againſt the firſt commandement. That mmPelancus Ieſuita in direct. confeſſ. p. 51.he who is ignorant of the fiue commandements of the Church ſinnes againſt the 1. commandement. That nnMethod confeſ. in expoſit. Decalogi, p. 41.he who beleeues not vndoubtedly your popiſh Purgatory, ſinnes againſt the 1. commandement. That ooMethod. con… tends in explie. Decalogi. p. 41. impreſſ. Lugd. An. 1549.not to beleeue whatſoeuer your Romiſh Church beleeues, is a ſinne againſt the 1. commandement. That ppEuercitiū pietatis, &c. Edit. Colon. 1592. cap. de methodo recte confitendi.it is an act of infidelity or hereſie to communicate in both kinds. And do you not hereby bowray, that you make of no ſinnes grieuous ſinnes?

57 Saint Paul ſpeaking of concupiſcence, which rebelled againſt the law of his minde, Rom. 7. 23. complained of his hard eſtate, that hee could not rid his fingers of it, v. 24. terming it expreſly ſinne, v. 17. yet your qqSeſſ. 5. de peccato orig. Act. 5.Acts 5Councell of Trent denies, that concupiſcence in the regenerate is ſinne: and your rrApparat. ſac. verbo Patres antiqui.Poſſeuin thinkes it not meete, that we, after the example of the Apoſtle, ſhould call it ſinne. Stealing for need is ſinne, as appeareth Prou. 30. 9; yet with ſſBellar. lib de matrim. cap. 27.you, ſtealing for need, is no ſinne. And do not theſe two inſtances bewray, that you make of ſins no ſins? But your turning the Commandements of God into Euangelicall counſels, puts it out of all doubt. For though it be a ſinne, not to obſerue Gods commandements, yet according to your learning, it is no ſinne, not to obſerue Gods counſels. ttAzor. inſtit. mor. part. 1. l. 4. cap. 9. 2. … tur.Nemo peccat ſi Dei conſilia praetermittat: uuVega de Iuſlif. lib. 14 cap. 12.Intermittere conſilia nullum peccatum eſt: xxBellar. lib. 2. de monach. cap. 7.Conſilium ſi non ſeruetur, nullam habet paenom, p. 52goes for good diuinitie with you. Now that you turne the commandements of God into counſels, it is proued by this, that Reſist not euill, &c. LoueLove your enemies: Lend, looking for nothing againe: Pray for them which curſe you: Let you communication be Yea, yea, Nay, nay: If thy right eye cauſe thee to offend, placke it out, and caſt it from thee: Take heed you giuegive not your almes before men, to be ſeene of them, &c. Be not careful: and Care not for to morrow. If any brother hauehave a wife that beleeueth not, if ſhe be content to dwell with him, let him not for ſake her: and the woman that hath an huſband that beleeueth not, if he be content to dwell with her, let her not for ſake him: are held by yySee Ioh. de Combis in compend. The l lib 5. cap. 70. & Ludolph. de vita Chriſti, part 2. cap. 12. … Azorus part. 1. lib. 5. cap. 2. et Bellar. lib. de matrivion. cap. 12.you, not commandements, but Euangelicall counſels. For vponupon this ground it followes, that though a man reſiſt euill, though hee louelove not his enemies, though he pray not for them who curſe him, though his communication be more then yea and nay, though hee plucke not out his right eye when it offends him, though he giuegive almes to be ſeene of men, though he be carefull for to morrow, though he leaue his vnbeleeuing wife who would dwell with him, &c. in all this hee ſins not.

58 Whoſoeuer is angrie with his brother vnaduiſedly, is culpable of iudgement: and whoſoeuer ſaith Rada, is worthy to be puniſhed by a Councel, ſaith our Sauior, Mat. 5. 2…. yet vnaduiſed anger, & Racaing of a mans brother, are but venial ſin… with zzIoh. …e Rada 2. par. cont. The…l. enter Tho. … Scotum, cont. 17. Act. 2.Acts 2you. Fooliſh talking and ieſting, which are things not comely, ſaith S. Paul, Eph. 5. 4. yet they are but veniall ſinnes with aaIbid.you. Of eueryevery idle word that men ſhall ſpeake, they ſhall giuegive an account thereof at the day of iudgement, ſaith our p. 53Sauiour, Mat. 12. 36. yet idle words are but veniall ſinnes with bbAzor. inſist. moral. lib. 4. c. 9. 7. quaritur.you. Flatterie, from which the Apoſtle cleareth himſelfe as from a foule fault, 1. Theſſ. 2. 5. is but a veniall ſin with ccDiſt. 25. vnum otarium.you. **Drinkings.Continuall haunting of Tauerne or Alchouſe, noted by the Apoſtle as an heatheniſh ſin. 1. Per. 4. 3. is but a veniall ſinne with ddDiſt. 25. vnum oravium.you: no nor yet eeBonauent. in centiloq. part. 1. cap. 6.drunkenneſſe it ſelfe, which is condemned by the Apoſtle in the ſame place. The prouoking of wife & children to anger, which the Apoſtle forbids, Col. 3. 1. 21. is but a veniall ſin with ffDiſt. 25. vnum orarium.you. Though we reade Pſal. 5. 6. that the Lord ſhall destroy them that ſpeake lies; yet lying, prouided it be but in a meriment, is no more then a veniall ſinne with ggBonauent. loco citato.you. Yea ſome kinde of periuri…, and curſed ſpeaking, though curſed ſpeakers be hh1. Cor. 6. 10.1 Cor 6:10excluded the kingdome of heauen expreſly, and periuri in generall condemned. Mal▪ 3. 5. are but venial ſinnes with iiDiſt. 25. vnum orarium.you. If a boy rob lis father but of little ſummes of mony: if he ſteale pins, points, bowles, or ſuch ſmall things from his ompanions, he ſinnes but venially in kkArorius loco ſi. p. a citato.your opinion. Prouided a man heare a Maſſe on the Sabbath day, he may ſpend the reſt of the day in hawking, in hunting, in skirmiſhing, in iuſting, in tourneying, in bowling, in curding, in dicing, in dancing, in going to playes, or any ſuch like idle exerciſes, and ſin not at all, as llTolet. in ſum. lib. 4 cap. 24.ſome of you ſay, or at mmNauar. in Enchirid. cap. 13. nu. 15.moſt but venially. To manage a mans owne eſtate whickedly, by ſpending waſtfully, or ſharing miſerably: to play the glutton, to exceed in apparell, to ſpend the time idly, to pray retohleſly, to brag of himſelfe inſolently, are but veniall ſins with nnAzor. lib. eir, 8. quaritur.you. For one w…min to call another woman whore, or theeſe, or what euer comes firſt to her tonques p. 54end: for ſeruants to miſcall & raile one on another, is but a veniall ſinne with ooTolet. in ſum. ib. 5. cap. 9.you. For a man in his furie or choler to play any impious or deſperate part, to reuile God & his Saints, is but a veniall ſinne with ppAzor. lib. 4. c. 9. 7. quaritur.you. And doth not this argue your Religion to be a licentious Religion, which of ſuch practiſes makes but peccadilloes?

59 It is foule ſinne for ſubiects to rebell againſt their Soueraignes, Rom. 13. 2. yet you commend rebellion in ſubiects. uuW. C. in his Reply to f. Parſons libel, printed Au. 1603. fol. 66.Your Colledge of Ieſuites at Salamanca in Spaine, concluded the ſeuenth day of March, Anno 1602. that the Papiſts in Ireland might fauour the Arch traitor Tyrone, idque magne cum merito, & ſpe retributionis aeternae, very meritoriouſly, and with hope of heauen. And in Lewis of Bauaria the Emperour his dayes, they who rebelled againſt him, xxMaſil. Patauius. defenſor pacis. part. 2. cap. 26. p. 396.were called by your predeceſſors, Eccleſiae filij, & vere fideles, your Churches white ſons and truly faithfull; whereas they who ſtood with him, were called Heretiks and Schiſmatiks.

It is a foule ſinne to vſe vaine repetition in prayer, Math. 6. 7. yet you commend your Ieſus Pſalters, wherein you repeate one prayer 150 times.

To beleeue lies ſeemes a foule ſin: for God threatneth ſuch as he reſolues to damn, to ſend them ſtrong dcluſions that they ſhould beleeue lies, 2. Theſſal. 2. 11. yet you hold the beleeuing of lies to be meritorious in ſome perſons. For, Si rusticus circa Articulos credat ſue Epiſcopo proponenti aliquod dog ma haereticorum, meretur in credendo, licet ſit error: If a country fellow beleeue the Biſhop of his Dioceſſe preaching ſome hereticall point againſt an Article of his faith, he p. 55merits in beleeuing him, ſaith yyIn Sum. lib. 4. cap. 3.Tolet. And do not theſe foure inſtances proue, that you make of ſins vertues?

60 You take vponupon you to forgiue ſins to commit: which is proued by this, zzCanton. in hi…. Anglia. Ioh. Maior. de guſtis Scotorum. l. 4. cap. 3.that the Abbot of Swines-head abſolued a Monke who acquainted him with his purpoſe of poiſoning King Iohn with a pot of Ale, before the Monke poiſoned the King. And by the teſtimonie of the Germaines: for in their aaGrauam, Nee. German. grau… men. 3.grieuances exhibited to Charles the fift, they complained, that the pardoners perſwaded the people they could pardon nox as praeterit as nut futuras, both faults paſt, and faults to come. And as much may be gathered out of Sigiſmonds the Emperours words at the Councell of Conſtance, who ſpeaking againſt diſpenſations, ſaid thus: bbIoh. Epiſc. Chemenſis Onus E… cl…ſ. cap. 19. de Indiſpoſie. Rom. Curiae, ſect. 13.Legimus Chriſtum Petro poteſtatem duntaxat relaxandi peccata, non admittendi dediſſe: Wee reade that Chriſt gaue Peter onelyonly power to remit ſinnes, but not to commit ſinnes. For it is plaine by this, that the Peters of his dayes tooke vponupon them to diſpenſe with ſuch as had a mind to ſinne. But moſt directly the point is proued by ccCandela…. … v…uon, … de abſolut. …. 28. Edit. …rixia. 1595.Martinus Alfonſus Viualdus, that great famous Spaniſh Doctor, for in him wee reade, Quod Papa habet omnimodum pote…atem in omnes Chriſti fideles, tam quoad commiſſa, quam quoad committend… crimina abſoluenda: That the Pope hath all maner of power ouer Chriſts people, to abſolue them as well from all crimes to commit, as from crimes committed. And by our moſt ddIn his Meditation vponupon the Lords prayer, pag. 58. 59.noble King, who proteſtech that he hath ſeene with his owne eyes two Authentical buls, both of them pardoning ſin as wel to come, as by-paſt.

p. 5661 You aaGloſſ. in 32. q. 2 Quodautem.confeſſe, that Mariage was inſtituted by God in Paradiſe, not onelyonly for increaſe of mankind, but for preuenting fornication. And yet you bbAror. iuſtit. moral. part. 1. lib. 12. cap. 6. 3 quaritu….teach, that a ſolemne vow (by reaſon of the Churches conſtitution) makes a nullitie of mariage following after it. Now I deſire to know, with what honeſtie the Church can repeale or make void the inſtitution of God by any conſtitution of hers. For you know there is a text, Thoſe whom God hath ioyned together, let no man put aſunder. Your ccExtrae. Ioh. 22. de voto et voti r…demp. c. Antiq.Glozer acknowledged, that admiranda res videtur eſſe iſta, this might ſeem a ſtrange thing▪ but for ſatisfaction of ſuch as thought it ſtrange, he could giuegive no better anſwer, then that the conſtitutions made by the Church, are made by your Pope, and that your Pope not being a pureman (which I eaſily beleeue) all was wel enough. But cannot you giuegive me a better?

62 You ddTho. Aquin. cōment. in Tit. 1.Titus 1confeſſe, that he is more capable of Orders among you, who hath kept two wheres, then he who hath maried one widow or two wiues. And if this be thus, may we not ſay with another of your eeIn cap. Quia circa. Extra de Big…nis.Glozers, Nota mirabile quod plus habet luxuria quàm caſtitas, obſerue a ſtrange thing, whoredome hath greater priuiledge then chaſtitie?

63 You ffBellar. lib. 2. de Monach. cap. 30.confeſſe, that your Votaries breake their vowes of chaſtitie if they marrie, but not if they keepe whores. Now I would know of you, whether this doth not argue plainly, that your Votaries chaſtitie conſiſts in not marying, and not, in not whoring? Your Friers, your Prieſts may lie with a hundred Nuns, and keep for all that their vowes of chaſtitie, if this be ſo.

p. 5764 By your Religion, ggCoſter. in E▪ chir. cap. 17. Caelibatu. ſace. propoſit. 9.It is leſſe euill in him that hath vowed chaſtitie, is whore, th…n to marries hhRhem. Annot. in 1. Cor. 7. 9.1 Cor 7:9Mariage of them who hauehave vowed chaſtitie, is the worſt ſort of incontinencie. iiSee Haſſe…uler. hiſtor. Ieſuit. ordinis, cap. 10. Eraſm. de linguaThey (in more grieuouſly by marying, who vowed chaſtitie before, then if they played the Sodomits, a… vſed the ſin of beſtialitie, according to your diuinitie. Your Popes as good writers witneſſe) hauehave been kkCornel Agrip. de vanit. ſcient. cap 64.erectors of ſtewes, and llibid. & Sanſonius de gubernat. regn. & reruinpub. lib. 11. cap de Iud, Mareſchallo. & Soldan.hauehave made great profit by the ſtewes. Your Cardinals hauehave bene mmPeter Martyr comm. in Iudic. c. 16.Judg 16frequenters of the ſtewes: your Doctors hauehave nnHarding Anſ. to the Apology. Ieſuits at Wi… bitch Sparing diſcourſe. p. 13.defended the ſtewes: your ooAgripp. loco ſup. cit. & Grauam. nationis German. nu 91.Biſhops hauehave licenſed Prieſts for a certaine ſumme of mony to keepe whores: and your ppAgrippa loco citato & Grauamen 96 n t…enis German.Officials for mony hauehave licenſed maried wiues in their husband… abſence to play the whores. Adultery is reckned by qqCap. Et…i Clarics. Extra. de Iudici….your men, inter minora … amongſt the peccadillos. And as for fornication in Prieſts, rr…Communiter dicitur, quod pro ſimplici for nicatione qui… deponimon debet, cum pauci ſine ill… vitio inneniantur: The common opinion …ongſt you is, that no Prieſt ſhould be depoſed for it; becauſe there are but few Prieſts who are free from it. I am aſhamed to ſpeake of ſſIob. in. Caſa.him, who in Italian verſes commended the ſinne of Sodome, though your Pope made him Archbiſhop of Beneuentum. Doth no… the reſt proue your Religion an vncleane Religion; and that you hauehave little cauſe to brag of your chaſtitie?

65 By your Religion, the Images of Saints are to be worſhipped with Proceſſions, Gen… flextionibus, inclinationibus; …ficationibus, deo ſculationibus, oblationibus, luminarum accenſibnibus, & perigrinatio p. 58by kneeling vntounto them, by bowing the body towards them, by inconſing of them, (that is, ſacrificing vntounto them, as uuIbid▪Lindwood expounds the word) by kiſſing of them, by offering gifts vntounto them, by ſetting vp candies before them, by going in pilgrimage vntounto them. Now I would know why you ſhould not be held Idolaters forthis, ſeeing ſacrificing to any thing but God onelyonly, hath beene alwayes xxExod. 22. 20. Auſtlin de Ciuit. Dei, lib. 10. cap. 4Exod 22:20reputed idolatrie; and the burning of incenſe to any thing, hath beene alwayes held ſacrificing?

66 I hauehave ſeene a yyHor… B. Virg. impreſſ. Pariſ. … 4. An. 1526. fol. 62. 63.prayer of yours, which (as the Rubricke ſaith) was ſhewed vntounto Saint Auſtin by reuelation of the holy Ghoſt; and of which you giuegive out, that who beareth it about them, ſhall not periſh in five nor water, neither in battell, nor iudgement, nor ſhall die ſudden death, nor be poiſoned with venome. z lib. 1. ſac. …And I hauehave ſeene certaine verſes which your Pope … ſent with three Agnus Deis, to the Emperoue of Greece, running thus:

Balſanius, & munds cura cum chryſmatis vnda,

Conſiciunt Agnum quod muns douibimagnum.

Fonte velut musum, per myſtica ſanctificatum,

Falgura de ſurſum depell…t …malign…m

Peccaium frangit, vt Chriſti ſanguis, & …angit…

Pregnanſ ſeruatur, final & partia liberatur.

The Engliſh is Iof. Hala in h… diſſwaſſue from Pogetie, prefixed his booke intitled, The peace of Rome.Dona defert dignis, virtutem deſtruit …

Port…ses munde, de flucti…u… …r…pit v… dae.

Balſam, and pure water, and chryſine licour cleere,

Make vp this precious Lamb I ſend thee here.

All lightning it diſpels, and each ill ſprite,

Remedies ſinne, and makes the heart contrite▪

Euen as the blood that Chriſt for vsus did ſhed:

It helps the child bed paincs, and giues good ſpeed

VntoUnto the birth: great gifts it ſtill doth win,

To all that weare it, and that worthy bin:

It quels the rage of fire; and cleanly bore,

It brings from ſhipwracks ſafely to the ſhore,

Now I deſire to know (not how your Pope can be excuſed from blaſphemy, in aſcribing as much to his Lamb, as to the Lambe of God; for I know that paſſeth your skill, but) how your Church can be excuſed from ſorcery?

67 Some of your Painters picture Chriſt and Simon of Gyrene carying the Groſſe of Chriſt ioyntly▪ but (as aaConcord. Eu. … cap. 143.Ianſenius proueth well they caried it ſeuerally, Chriſt one part of the way, and Simon another part of the way; whereby appeares it was farre from a cart loade: yet you tell vsus of ſo many peeces of it, in ſo many places, as that you cannot denie, but that at this day it would fraught a ſhip of three hundred Tnnue. Now I deſire to know, how it, being inſenſible, of leſſe then a cart loade, is become a ſhip loade; eſpecially ſeeing for the firſt three hundred yeares after Chriſt, no body diſcerned any growth of it, yea no body regarded it?

68 bbBaron. Annal. 30. 3. ad an. 326. … 52.Some of your Crircifixes repreſent Chriſt nailed vponupon the Groſſe with three nailes, ſome with foure: of mo hoiles then foure, we neither reade in your Lay-men books, nor in your Clergy books: yet there are a number of nailes ſhewed in diu… places, which are ſaide to be of the nailes wh… withall Chriſt wa… nailed vntounto the Croſſe. Now … p. 60deſire to know, how they being but foure at firſt, are come to ſo many now▪ eſpecially conſidering both Ruſſinus hiſt. lib. 1. cap. 8. and Socrates hiſt. lib. 1. cap. 13. and Theodoret hiſt. lib. 1. cap. 18. teſtifie, that Conſtantine made bridles of ſome of them, and an helmet of the reſt of them: and that ccDe gloria Marty…. lib. 1. cap. 6.Gregory Turonenſis who relates the matter a little differently, affirmes, Helena her ſelfe caſt one of them into the ſea, to make it ſafely nauigable. Did that which ſhe caſt into the ſea ſpawn… thinke you, that we hauehave ſuch a frie of nailes?

69 You ddMaij 3.keepe a ſolemne feaſt in honour of the Croſſe whereon Chriſt died, though Chriſt was moſt deſpightfully vſed thereon. Now I deſire to know, why you keepe not rather a ſolemne feaſt in honour of the Aſſe whereon Chriſt rode into Ieruſalem, ſeeing he was eeMath. 21.Matt 21royally vſed when he rid vponupon the Aſſe?

70 You ffBellar. lib. 2. de Imag. cap. 27.teach, that the Croſſe of Chriſt is to be worſhipped, ratione contact us, becauſe it touched the bodie of Chriſt. VponUpon which ground would it not follow, I pray you, that if the woman who was cured of the blooddy iſſue, Luk. 8. were liuing, ſhe muſt be worſhipped? and the multitude too, who at the ſame time thruſt him, and trad vponupon him? Would it not follow, that Iudas who kiſſed him, and the other ſonnes of Bebial who bufferted him; and all the ground whereon he trod both in Egypt and in Iudea, ought to be worſhipped in like manner?

71 Allen in his defence of Purgatory, ch…. 6.I reade in your bookes, that a Nothing can enter into heauen, which is not purified to the point. Nothing p. 61can ſtand in Gods ſight, that hath any blemiſh of ſu…ne, any ſpot of corruption, any remnant of infirmitte. And I reade likewiſe, that vponupon this ground you maintain, that many mens ſoules go to Purgatorie to be purified to the point, that afterwards they may hauehave entrance into heauen. Now ſeeing you confeſſe, that bbMichael. Epiſe. Me…ſpurg. in …atech. cone. 11. de Symb. Apoſt.mens bodies ſin againſt God as well as their ſoules; and ccAllen loco ci….that ſinne hath wrought in the bodie great filth and feebleneſſe: I deſire to know why you do not maintaine that mens bodies go to Purgatorie to fit them for heauen, as well as mens ſoules? Mee thinkes, it ſhould be as vnſeemly to ſee a filthy, a feeble, a corrupt bodie, as to ſee a ſinfull ſoule in heauen.

72 You tell vsus, that ddBellar. lib 1. de Purgat. cap. 1.Purgatorie is onelyonly for thoſe ſoules which are not perfectly purged in this life: and yet you tell vsus, that eeIdem lib. 2. de Purg. cap. 2.many mens ſoules whoſe ſir sare forgiuen in this life, go to Purg atorie. Now I would know, how theſe two tales can ſtand together. For as ſin defiles the ſoule, ſo forgiueneſſe purgeth it. That ſoule, whoſe lins are forgiuen, is perfectly rurged. And therefore if your Purgatorie be onelyonly for ſuch ſoules as are not perfectly purged in this life; in ſeemes to me, it cannot be for thoſe ſoules whoſe ſinnes are forgiuen in this life. But if you meane to giuegive me full ſatisfaction herein, you may not mock mee, by diſtinguiſhing, that in ſinne two things are to be conſidered, viz. Culpa & pant, the fault, and the puniſhment of the fault: labouring to make me beleeue, that though the fault beremitted, yet the puniſhment remaining, there is matter enough for Purgatory to worke vponupon. For I would hauehave you p. 62know, that I know well, it is the fault of ſinne, and not the puniſhment of ſinne, which defiles the ſoule. ffBonauentur. in Centileq part. 2. ſect. 2. Bellar lib. 1. de ansiſſ. grat. cap. 14.Omnis paena, in quantum pa…na eſt, iuſta eſt, & a D… All puniſhment confidered as puniſhment, is iuſt, and from God▪ And it is abſurd to ſay, puniſhment is purged with puniſhment.

73 I reade in your bookes, that your Pope for deliuering of ſoules out of Purgatorie, preſcribes ſometimes no more but the ſaying of a Maſſe at ſuch an Altar in ſuch a Church: or the ſaying of a pater neſter twice or thrice, &c. Now I would know, with what iuſtice God can keepe him in ſuch horrible torments as you ſay are in Purgatorie, for the want of ſaying of a Maſſe, or two or three Pater noſt…r…l, whom in merciemercy he meant to deliuer vponupon the ſaying of a Maſſe, or two or three Pater noſters. One of your Ieſuites affirmes confidently, that iiMaldonat. to. 2. de poenit. cap. de Indulgen▪ q. 6. pag 202.Deus eſſet profecto crudeliſsimus, ſi propter vnam orationem Dominicam quae non diceretur, animam pro qua fudie ſanguinem ſuum detineret in tant is torment is: God might iuſtly be reputed cruell, if for want of pattering ouer a Pater noſter, hee would keepe any ſoule, for which he ſhed his bloud, in ſuch torments as are in Purgatorie.

74 I reade in your bookes, kkViuald in candelab. aur …. tie. de ſatisfac. nu. 17 edit. Brix. Anno 1595.Solum Deam noſſe quae ſit iuſta poenitentia, that God onelyonly knowes how long any ſinne deferues to be puniſhed in Purgatorie; though llDiſcip. de Temp ſer. 156. D.ſome take vponupon them preciſely to ſet downe, that eueryevery ſinne deſerues as many yeares Purgatorie torments, as there are dayes in ſeuen yeares, viz. 2555. And yet I reade that your Pope grants Indulgences in this manner: Qu… hot veljll… p. 63ſecerit, liherabit ani…m … à Purgatorie: He that doth this or that, ſhall deliuer a ſoule out of Purgatorie. Now I would know, how your Pope comes to know, that ſoules are ſo neare the time of their deliuerie, that the doing of this or that will ſuffice to make euen for the remainder of their puniſhment? or rather, whether you be not of my minde, that the Pope in granting ſuch Indulgences playes the K. and the people in making reckning of them play the fooles. The Ieſuite aboue cited, mmMaldonat. loto ſupra citato.diſputing the queſtion, An Papa vel Epiſcopi poſsint animas liberare à Purgatorio: whether the Pope or the Biſhops hauehave power to deliuer ſoules out of Purgatorie, reſolues they hauehave, prouided, tantum pro illis ſuffragi…ru… … liberentur: ſed tamen neque poſſent, neque debent vti hac forms, Qui hoc velillud fecerit, liberabit animam vnam à Purgatorio: … illerum ſcit quantum debeat paenar… illa an…ma quae liberanda eſt, vt iudicare poſſet ſatis eſſe illud ſuffragium quod praecipit ad liberandam illam▪ concluding thus, Cum autem hoc ignoret, non poteſt niſ…temere dicere, Qui fecerit hoc, liberabit animam vnam; which is in effect as much as I ſay.

75 I reade in your books, that as in the old Law there was a nnLuke 20.Luke 20Treaſurie to keepe mony in for the vſe of the poore; ſo now there is in the Church a ooZecchins de Indulg. & Iubil, cap. 1. n…. 6.treaſurie to keepe ſpirituall commodities in for the vſe of ſuch, who hauing their ſinnes forgiuen them, are yet liab…e to great puniſhments, either here or in Purgatorie. Which ſpirituall commodities are raiſed (as ppBellar. lib. 1. de Indulg. cap 2.you tell vsus) of the ſurpluſſage of Chriſts p. 64ſufferings; and of the ſurpluſſage of other holy perſons, ſuch as Iob, Elias, Elizeus, Eſay, Ieremy, Ezekiel, and other of the Prophets, the virgin Marie, Iohn Baptiſt, &c. For Chriſt ſuffered more then hee needed; and many holy perſons ſuffered more then their ſinnes deſerued, qqZecchius loco citato nu. 5.as you ſay: rrBellar. lib. 1. de Iudulg. cap. 4. ad ob. 3. & 4.which, ne inanes & ſine fructu eſſent, leſt they ſhould be thought to hauehave bene ſuffered idly and to no purpoſe, are reſerued for the vſe aboueſaid; and are to be diſpoſed by your Pope, whom you make the ſſSolus Papa habet claues huius the ſauri. Ioh. de Combis in compend. Theol. lib. 7. cap. 6.one onelyonly Lord Treaſurer thereof: hee by his Indulgences may communicate more or leſſe of▪ them to whom hee thinks good. Now in as much as you confeſſe withall, that Chriſts ſufferings are of themſelues ſufficient to make ſatisfaction for the temporary puniſhment of all men, as well as for the eternall, and yet not exhauſted: I would know why the ſufferings of the Saints ſhould be ioyned to them? and whether it be not as abſurd to hold, that any part of Chriſts ſufferings were inanes & ſine fructa, idle and to no purpoſe, as holy mens? and how it came to paſſe that ſuch a maſſe of treaſure ariſing from holy perſons in the old Law, the Prieſts of that time could make no vſe of it, but left it vntouched for your Pope?

76 I reade in your bookes, ttBellar. de amiſ. grat. lib. 6. cap. 12that diſeaſes of the body are temporall puniſhments of ſin: and that uuRhem. Annot. in 2. Cor. 2. 11.2 Cor 2:11your holy mother the Church pardoneth exceeding often and much, all or great parts of what puniſhment temporall ſoeuer due or deſerued either in this world or in the next. Now if your Mother hath power to do ſo, I deſire to know, why ſhee cureth not by her pardons, the p. 65Ague-fits, the Strangurie, the Stone, the Goat, wherewithal many of her children, her beſt beloued children, her Cardinals, her Popes, are oftentimes afflicted?

77 I reade in your bookes, xxAntonp…r…. 3. cit. 32. cap. 5. ſect. 5.that your Pope hath power to emptie Burgatory at once. And if the ſaying of a Maſſe or a Pater noſter will helpe to emptie it, as you hauehave borne men in hand heretofore that it wil; I would know how you can excuſe your Popes from vnſpeakable vncharitableneſſe and hard heartedneſſe, in that themſelues ſay no moe Maſſes and Pater noſters for Chriſtian ſoules then they do, nor ſet moe of their Prieſts on that worke. I doe not doubt, but if ſuch commodities would redeeme ſoules, the Carmelites ſhould hauehave no cauſe to brag of their priuiledge, viz. yyTheſ. Calmel. impreſſ. Pariſ. 1601. teſte Moulins in the defence of the Cathol. faith. Artic. 21.That none of them ſhall lie longer in Purgatorie then the Saturday following their death: for the Pope might deliuer▪ eueryevery man the ſame day he died.

78 I reade in your bookes, zzHorae. B. Virg. ad vſum Sarum in 16. p. 206.that your Biſhops may abſolue from blaſphemie, from hereſie, from periurie, from ſorcerie, from Sodomitrie, from ince…s, from beſtialitie, from murther, and from ſuch like ſinnes: but they may not abſolue him that ſtrikes a Clergie man, that falſifieth the Popes letters, that ſaith Maſſe in an vnhallowed place, that buries an excommunicate perſon in the Church or Church-yard, &c. Theſe are Papall caſes. The abſolution from theſe is reſerued to your Pope. Now I would know, why they ſhould be denied the leſſer, to whom the greater is granted. It is written, aaSixt. Senenſ. Bibl. ſanct. lib, 2. verbo Tradi…i… nes.Rabbini grauius plectendos eſſe cos aiunt, qui contradicant verbis Sc…ibarum, p. 64duplicate page p. 65duplicate page p. 66quam verbis Moſaicae leges: that the Rabbins ſay, I hey deſerue more grieuous puniſhment who tranſgreſſe the ordinances of the Scribes▪ then they who tranſgreſſe the ordinances of Moſes. And doth not this your reſeruing of Papall ordinances to your Popes hearing, ſuffering ordinary Biſhops to diſpenſe with the breaches of Gods ordinances, argue your kin-ſhip to Iew ſh Rabbins?

79 They who knew your practiſes better then I do, hauehave written, bbEraſni. ſcholijs in. …piſt. ad Epiſe. Baſil. de delectu ciborum. Nu 29.Qui guſtauit ouum, trahi…ur in carcerem, cogi…u…g de haereſi cauſam dicere: qai totim dtem Dominicum vacat temulentiae, ſcortis & aleae, audit bell as homo: ſuch as entean egge on a faſting day, are impriſoned by you, and called in queſtion vponupon ſuſpition of hereſie: whereas they who▪ ſpend the whole Lords day in drunkenneſſe, in whoring; in dicing, are accounted good fel owes. ccGerſon …. part. epirum Tit. de directione cordis. conſid. 30.Seuerius punitur quindoque Monachus ſine euculla incedens▪ quam adulterium …ut ſac…ilegium committens: A Monk walking without his cowl, is more rigorouſly dealt withall▪ then if he were guiltie of adulterie or ſacriledge. And in generall, ddIbid. & Ferus co … i… Math. 15.Matt 15Grrauius plect…ur agens contra vnum Papae decretum, quam delin quens contra diuinum praeceptum & Euungelium: He who offends againſt the Popes law, is more ſeuerely puniſhed then he who offends againſt the law and the Goſpel. And doth not this ſhew, that as eeMa…h. 15.the Scribes and Phariſees, ſo you make void the commandements of God for your traditions?

80 I hauehave a ffHor… B Virp. ſecun lu…n rſum S… um in 4. i… preſſ Pariſ, An 1526.booke of yours, wherein there are many pardons granted vponupon the ſaying of certaine prayers, ſome for ſcores, ſome for hundreds of dayes, p. 67ſome for hundreds, ſome for thouſands of yeares: among which there is ggFol. 6….one for 1000000 yeares; and hhFol. 144.another promiſing as many yeares of pardon as there are bodies buried in that Church-yard where the prayer is ſaid, which may amount to a numberleſſe number; though perhaps not to ſo many as Pope iiTreatiſe of diuers matters concerning London. Chap. Of the whole Pardons of Rome, granted by diuers PopesSilueſter granted to the Church of S. Iohn La …erans, who at the … of it, granted ſo many yeers of pardon thereto, as there fell drops of water that day, albeit neuer man ſaw a …eater raine then fell that day. Now I would know of you, why any man ſhould trouble himſelf with ſaying of thoſe prayers which hauehave pettie pardons of dayes, or ſome hundreds of yeers aſſigned them? Mee thinkes it were enough to ſay that prayer which hath 1000000 yeares of pardon, and the other Church-yard prayer, which comes to a nemo ſcit, and to let the reſt ſleepe in the decke.

81 You kkMichael Epiſe. Merſp in cat…ch. Ca…hol. centione 60.teach, that Auricular confeſſion is neceſſary, to the end that your Prieſts hauing power to binde and looſe, to remit ſinnes and to retaine them, may the better know whom they ſhould binde, whom they ſhould looſe: whoſe ſinnes they ſhould remit, whoſe ſinnes they ſhould retaine. And l Math. 16. Iohn 20.Matt 16John 20indeed it is plaine by Scripture, that Prieſts (as you call them) hauehave equall power to bind and to looſe, to remit ſinnes and to retaine them. But this is it that I maruell at, and wherein I deſire to be ſatisfied by you, why if confeſſion be ſo neceſſarie for the two foreſaid ends, we ſeldome or neuer heare of any who came to be confeſſed, whatſoeuer their ſinnes are, who are bound by your Prieſts, whoſe ſinnes are retained: but that all go away looſed, all get abſolution.

p. 6882 You nnNauar. in Man praelud. 9. nu. 8.teach, that innumerable ſinnes are veniall, that is, ooRhem. Annot Rom. 1. 3….Rom 1:3pardonable of their owne nature, ppDe tani…. & remiſſ. …. Omnis vtriuſque ſecus. in Gloſſae.ſuch as we need not make confeſſion of, qqAz…inſ…it. moral. part 1. lib. 4. cap. 8. 9. quaritur.ſuch as for which a man deſerues not to be called a ſinner, rrIbid. 6. quaeritur.ſuch as make no breach of friendſhip betweene God and vsus; ſuch as God (according to ſſBenauent. in 2. d. 42. Act. 2 q 2. ad vls.Acts 2ſome of your Doctors) is not diſpleaſed with: ttFranc. a Victor. in ſum. Sacram. de poenit. nu. 110ſuch as may be pardoned in this life by a knocke of the breaſt, by the Biſhops bleſſing, by the holy water ſprinkle, by ſaying a Pater noster, &c. And yet you tell vsus, that if theſe ſinnes be not pardoned in this life, uuBellar. lib. 2. de Purg. cap. 1.the delinquents ſhall go to Purgatorie, where the paine is ſo intollerable, that a xxDiſcip. de Tep. ſer. 160. B.good fellow who had lien there thirtie yeares, hauing it in his choiſe, whether he would lie there one day longer, or returne to the earth, and be bound for an hundred yeares together to walke vponupon ſharpe iron nailes which ſhould pierce his feete, and to eate nothing but bread baked on the imbers, and to drinke nothing but vineger mingled with gall, and to weare nothing but that which was made of Camels haire, and to lie vponupon the bare earth with a ſtone vnderunder his head in ſtead of a pillow; made thoiſe to abide all this rather then to abide in Purgatorie one day longer. Now I deſire to know what the reaſon might be, that God in the next world ſhould torment his friends in ſo horrible maner, whom he would hauehave quit from blame in this world for a thing of nothing?

83 A yyIllyrieus de ſectis &c. Papiſtarum, p. 219.Gentleman of Germanie payed a yearly annuitie out of his lands to a Monaſterie not farre from him, bequeathed by his father, to the end that p. 69the Monks therein ſhould pray for the deliuerance of his fathers ſoule out of Purgatorie. Now in proceſſe of time, the Gentleman vnderſtood that the Monkes of that Monaſtery bragd much of certaine Indulgences which they had lately procured, affirming, that whoſoeuer would buy them of them, might deliuer out of Purgatorie what ſoule ſoeuer they deſired. Hereupon the gentleman pretending great care to free his fathers ſoule from Purgatorie, made offer of a good large ſumme of money, vponupon condition they would make him good aſſurance that by thoſe Indulgences his fathers ſoule ſhould be indeed deliuered. The Monkes ſweare he need not doubt hereof, for it was certaine he ſhould be deliuered: yet for his better ſecuritie, they procure it to be confirmed vnderunder the ſeale of their Monaſterie and of their Order, and cauſe it to be ſubſcribed with their owne hands and the hand of their Generall, that by the purchaſe of thoſe Ingulgences his fathers ſoule was vndoubtedly deliuered out of Purgatorie. With theſe aſſurances the Gentleman departed. And when the Monkes, vponupon his fathers anniuerſary day came vntounto him for their Annuitie, he denied the paiment, becauſe his fathers ſoule was deliuered by the Indulgences which they ſold him. With which anſwer the Monks were diſcontented, and complained of the Gentleman to the Biſhop; who gaue iudgment that the Gentleman muſt continue the paiment of the Annuitie: to which iudgement the Gentleman refuſed to ſtand. My deſire is, you would deliuer me your opinion, whether the Biſhop had better reaſon to giuegive ſuch a iudgement, p. 70or the Gentleman to refule the iudgement▪

84 A zzIllyritus loto citato & Lauzterus de ſpec…ris, part. 2. cap. 13.country fellow was wont in meriment to ſay, That he was verily perſwaded there were but a few ſoules in Purgatorie, or rather none at all. For which hee was at length called in queſtion by the Inquiſiters. Now he confeſſed that he had often ſaid ſo, and thought he had good proole for it. For (quoth he) you, and ſuch as you are, teach vsus, that none go to Porgatorie but penitent Chriſtians, who hauehave not in this life fully ſatisfied for their ſinnes. And you teach vsus withall▪ That eueryevery Maſſe deliuers one ſoule (at leaſt) out of Purgatorie: and that the firſt Maſſe of eueryevery Prieſt deliuers fifteen ſoules: and that innumerable ſoules are deliuered by Indulgences. Now we all know, that in eueryevery village and towne, there are more Maſſes ſaid eueryevery day then there dies penitent Chriſtians. And how then is it poſſible that there ſhould be any ſoules in Purgatory? Was not this caſe prettily argued?

85 aaChe…niſ. in Ream. part. 4. tit. de Indulg.Tecolius the Pardoner bragd he could forgiue ſinnes to come and paſt Hereupon a Germain gentleman procured of him a Pardon for a ſinne to come; and afterwards robd the Pardoner as he paſſed thorow a Forreſt, profeſſing that that was the ſinne for which he procured the pardon which he bought of him. Did not the Gentleman ſerue the Pardoner right?

86 You bbBel'ar. lib. 3. de …ccl ſ. cap. 2.define your Church, to be a companie of men prof…ſsing one faith, vnderunder one head, to wit, the Pope. Whereupon it muſt needs follow, (muſt it not thinke you?) that when you hauehave no Pope, you hauehave no Church. Now after the death of eueryevery Pope, there p. 71is a time wherein there is no Pope. Your Chaire ſtands emptie, ſometimes many dayes, ſometimes many yeares. And doth it not thereon follow, that after the death of eueryevery of your Popes, there is a time wherein you hauehave no Church?

87 You brag as much of the name of the Church, as the ccIet. 7. 4.Iewes of old did of the Temple of the Lord. At eueryevery other word (almoſt) the Church is in your mouthes. And if your champion ddRat. 3.Campion lie not, Audito Eccleſiae nomine hoſtis expalluit, We no ſooner heare of the name of the Church, but our harts faile vsus. Now I pray you of all loues tell, what you meane by the Church, when you eeGretſer. tract. de ag… oſeend. Script. canon. cap 4. Col. 1888.ſay the Church is Index omnium controuerſi…um, Iudge of all contronerſies: and that Infallibilias verbe Dci ex Eccleſi… ſtimon…o pendet, The in…allibility of the word of God depends vponupon the Church: and that we muſt heare the Church. Are you of Gretzers mind, who ffIdem lib. citat. cap. 6. col 190…. et defend. Bellar. lib. 3. cap 10. col. 1450.ſaith, that in theſe particulars, per Eccleſiam intilligimus Romanam Pontifitem: By the Church we meane the Pope? If ſo, much good do you with your Church; I had rather be of a poore Chappelrie, then one of your Church.

88 It is ſaid, that all you Pr…eſts take this oath, ggBulla Pij 4. ſup. formae profeil▪ ſid conſtis. 30 in ſumma conſ…s. ſ…m. Pont. d Greg. 9. vſque ad Sixtum 5.…go N…ſacram Scripouram iuxta cum ſenſum quem t nuit & … ſancta mater Eccleſia, cuius eſt iud…care devero ſenſu & interpretatione ſacrarum Scripturarum admitt; nec …m vnquam niſ…iuxta voanimem conſenſum patrum acc…piam & interpretabor: that is, I ſuch a one, do take the holy Scripture in that ſenſe, which my holy mother the Church, whoſe dutie it is to iudge which is the true ſenſe of Scripture, hath taken p. 72it, and takes it in: neither will I euer take it in other ſenſe then ſuch as the Fathers giuegive thereof with one conſent. Now if you do ſo, I would know how you can cleare your ſelues from periury, ſeeing it is plaine, you ſometimes take and expound Scrriptures in that ſenſe, which neuer Father gaue of them. As for example, Mica 7. v. 8. 9. which hhBellar. lib. 1. de Purg. cap. 3.you alledge for Purgatorie: for no Father did euer ſo expound it. Sometimes you take and expound them in that ſenſe which is contrary to ſome Fathers; as when iiIdem lib. 1. de Purg. cap. 7.you expound the words in 24 of Prou. v. 16. of falling into ſinne: for Non de iniquitat…bus, ſed de tribulationibus loquitur: The text ſpeakes not of falling into ſinne, but of falling into aduerſitie, ſaith Auſtin de Ciuitate Dci, lib. 11. cap. 31. Sometimes you take and expound them in that ſenſe which is contrary to all the Fathers, which we find to hauehave interpreted them; as when kkIoh. de Pariſ. Tract. de poteſt. Regia & Papali cap. 3. S…pleton. Antidos. in Euang. Ioh. cap. 10John 10you take Chriſts words, Ioh. 10. 16. which he ſpake of one Shepheard, to be meant of your Pope, and not of Chriſt himſelfe: for the llVide Rainold. Apolog. Theſium, nu. 24.Fathers ſay, that by one Shepheard, Chriſt meant himſelfe.

89 I am told, mmSymanch. inſtitut. Cathol. cap. 23. tit. de Eccleſ. nu. 5. Apolog. Staph. adu. Illyr. fol. 82. 83. Pigh. Hierarch. E…cl. lib. 1. cap. 5. Hoſ. lib. 3. de authorit. ſac. Script.you commend the Colliar, who being asked by a Diuell, as he lay on his death-bed; or by a Cardinall, as he was trauelling on the way, how he beleeued, returned anſwer, As the Church beleeued. And being asked, how the Church beleeued, replied, As he beleeued. Vouchſafing no other anſwer, but, I beleeue as the Church beleeues, and the Church beleeues as I beleeue. Now if this be true, is it not true alſo, that Laico-papiſmus nihil aliud eſt quam merus idiotiſmus, The Diuinity of p. 73Lay▪papiſts is nothing elſe but foolery? Certainly nnLib. 5. cap. 20. Ad maiorum iudicia confugiunt, &c.Lactantius laughed at them as fooles who being aſked a reaſon of that which they be…eeued, could giuegive none, but reſted in their forefathers iudgements, quod ills in ſapientes fuerint, ills prohauerint, illi ſciuerint, quodeſſet optimum: becauſe (forſooth) they were very wiſe, they approued of that which they held, they knew what was beſt to be holden: concluding, that ſuch did ſeipſos ſenſibus ſpoliare, & ratione abdicare, ſhew themſelues idiots.

90 It is written by the ooWatſon in his Quodlib p. 100 & Sparing diſcourſe, p. 36.Secular Prieſts, that when Sixtus… ▪ conuenting the Generall of the Ieſuites before him, demanded why he and his Order called themſelues Ieſuites: and receiuing anſwer, that they did not call themſelues ſo, but Clerks onelyonly of the ſocietie of Iuſus: and that the Pope replying ſaid, But why ſhould you appropriate vntounto your ſelues to be of the ſocietie of Ieſus, more then other Chriſtians are, of whom in generall the p Apoſtle ſaith, Vocati ſumus in ſocietatem filij eius, Wee are called into the ſocietie l 1. Cor. 1. 2.1 Cor 1:2of Ieſus? The Ieſuites Generall made hereto no Replication. Now my deſire is, you would ſupply what was wanting in the Generall of the Ieſuit…s: for me thinkes the Popes anſwer doth conuince the Ieſuites to be as faultie in taking vponupon them in ſpeciall to be of the ſocietie of Ieſus, as if they had taken vponupon them to be named Ieſuites of Ieſus. Which was held altogether vnlawfull in former, as well as in theſe later times. For nuno dicimur Chriſtiani à Chriſto, & in Paradiſo appellabimur Ieſuani à Ieſu: We are here on earth called Chriſtiās of Chriſt, whereas in heauen we ſhall be called Ieſuites of Ieſus, qqIn Mar ali part. 7. ſer. 5. de parturit. Maria, part. 4. ſol. 259.ſaith p. 74Bernardinus de Buſti. And ratio quare dicimur Chriſtiani à Chriſte & non a Ieſu Ieſuanieſt, quia rem ſignatam hoc nomt… Chriſtus, ſcilicet vnctionem nobis commendant; ſed rem ſignatam nomine Ieſus, non communicauit nobis. Interpretatur enim Saluaeor, cuius effectus viz. ſaluare ipſi ſoli conuenit. Ipſe enim vt dicitur in Euangelio, Saluum faciet populum ſuum, &c. acſi dicerit, ipſe ſolus & non alius: The reaſon why (here) we are called Chriſtians of Chriſt, and not Ieſuites of Ieſus, is this, ſaith rrConſtit. Prouin. lib. 1. …it. de conſuetudine. Huius autem.Lindwood: Chriſt hath communicated to vsus what is ſignified by his name Chriſt, viz. vnction, but hee hath not communicated vntounto vsus what is ſignified by his name Ieſus: for Ieſus ſigniſieth a Sauiour; and it is his propertie to ſaue, and no mans elſe, as the Scripture witneſſeth.

91 It is written, ſſArnald in his Pleadings againſt the Ieſuites & Azor. inſtit. moral. part 1 lib. 12. cap. 21.that the whole Order of your Humble Friers were put downe in an inſtant by Pius 5. Anno 1570. for that ſome of them would hauehave murthered Cardinall Borrhomaeus. ttSee Sedulius coment. in vitam S Fran…iſ. cap 3. nu. 8.And all the Frier Minorites were baniſhed out of Apulia by Fred…rik 2. for that they perſwaded the people to put in execution the Popes commandement. uuAzer. lib. cit. cap 5.And the whole Order of the Templaries, for ſuſpition of impietie, were ſpoiled of all they had by Clemens 5. approuement. Now I would know, if you and your fellows had bin ſo ſerued for your Powder plet, what reaſon you could hauehave rendred againſt ſuch proceeding with you; ſeeing it is an old ſaid ſaw, Fares culpa, parespoena, They who ſinne alike, ought to be puniſhed alike.

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