A Second Reply to an Answer Made by Doctor Whitgift Part 1, To the reader
To the reader.
THe cauſe off the ſlovvnes of anſvver, hath bene in part my often ſicknes, and vvant off bookes off all Sortes: a fevv onelyonly excepted, vvhichwhich I brovght vvith me, and thoſe for the moſt part Engliſh: ſo that for eueryevery Place almoſt, cited off the D. I vvas conſtreined to ſeek in other mens libraries, and after I had vſed the book, to cary it home againe. VVhichWhich vvith vvhat los of time, yt vvas: may eaſely be eſtemed. Ad hereunto: the ſlacknes off the print. For althovvgh yt had bene my ſinguler aduantage, both for poliſhing and better ordering off thinges, to hauehave put nothing vnderunder the pres, before the vvhole book had bene finiſhed: yet beginning to print, after I had made an end off one treatiſe, and begon an other, yt vvas notvvithſtanding ſcarce able to ouertake me.
Amongeſt the cauſes, vvhy I ſet forth one part, before the vvhole vvas ended: one ys, for that this former part roſe to a iuſt volume. An other, that if any thing hauehave eſcaped vvhichwhich may be hurtfull vntounto the trvvth: I might (being aduertiſed) amend yt in the later part: vvheroff I deſire the Godly reader, vvith as conuenient ſpeed as he can, to gyue me vnderſtanding.
The treatiſe off the apparel I hauehave paſſed by, the cauſes vvherof (aſſigned by me) if they ſhall not be approued, by thoſe pag. 40….to vvhoſe iudgemēt I ſubmit my ſelfe: vponupon ſignificatiō off their minde in that behalf, I vvill reſume yt again in that place vvhere I ſhall handle the conuenience and inconuenience off the ceremonies off the church, vntounto vvhichwhich place, I vviſh I had reſerued the moſt part off that Tractat, vvhichwhich in my book ys the firſt.
The learned reader I deſire, that vvhere … confute ſome thinges, vnvvorthy in his iudgement to be mentioned: he vvould gyue that, to thoſe that are not ſo vvel aduaunced. Althovvgh I confes, that off a nomber off them the conſultation (vvhether any vvere ſo rude as not to perceiue them, vvithovvt helpe) ſtood me in more, then the confutation. The reader that vnvvillingly readeth the controuerſies, betvvene thoſe off the ſame profeſsion in doctrine (I truſt) ſhall not loſe his trauail, if he deſire to be confirmed againſt the errors off the papiſtes: the ſame in many places, vvith the Anſvverers. Off all I deſire, both learned and others, that they vvould ſupport my vveaknes, vvhereſoeuer and in vvhat ſort ſo euer yt ſhall appear: ſeing I truſt, it ſhall be manifeſt vntounto them, that in a good cauſe, I hauehave laboured alſo to kepe a good conſcience.
For better vnderſtanding of the book, after yovv are a litle entred: yovv ſhall (vvhere I remembred yt) finde the doctor, althovvgh not alvvaies in ſo many vvordes▪ yet in the ſame ſenſe, in a ſmaller letter: the teſtimonies and that alledged out off my former book and admonition being in a greater. Sometimes throvvgh his to muche fondnes, and repetition, I put onelyonly a vvord or tvvo: to gyue the reader to vnderſtand that I vvander not vvithovvt an aduerſary: referring him, for further knovvledge vntounto his ovvn book, vvhen I refer yovv for any place, ether of my former, or els off both his (a fevv excepted in the beginning) I folovv his later book: vvhere all theſe bookes be. Of faultes eſcaped in the printing, ſome are ſuche, as ether ouerthrovv the vvhole ſenſe, corrupt yt: or that othervviſe may greatly hinder yovv. VVhichWhich I hauehave ſet apart from the reſt, deſiring yovv to vouchſafe to correct them eſpecially, vvith your pen: conſidering that yt is but a ſmall labor, to yovv in one book, vvhichwhich vvould hauehave bene infinite to me in all. Fare vvel gentle reader: and if thovv take any profit off my labors, remember me in thy praiers vntounto the lord for his aſſiſtance in the reſt off my life, and namely for that vvhichwhich remaineth of anſvver, vntounto the D. book.
The faultes, moſt neceſſary to be corrected.
Page 15. lin. 8. put owt prieſtes and. and l. 14. put owt either prieſtes or, pag. 31. lin. 26. read is not aſword. pag. 57. lin. 11. read with the contrary of that ſentence, pag. 66. lin. 22. put owt againſt, pag. 84. ſtat R flat. pag 152. lin. 9. put owt ſuche. pag. 164. lin▪ 26. yet R. yea. pag. 170. lin. 31. for the ſecond inuiſible. R. viſible. pag. 173. lin. 31 R. faithfulnes, pag. 191. lin. 23. in the margent R. 2. Coun. pag. 211. li. 8. put owt they, pag. 252. lin. 26. for decree. R. they decreed. pag. 261 lin. 20. paſtors R. people. pa 266. lin. 32. R. for if the. pa. 273. lin. 34. in certein copies, For thoſe alledged Titus to proue Timothy and: read thoſe alledged to proue that Timothy and Titus did. pag. 296. lin. 26. R. Euangeliſtes and paſtors. pag. 368. li. 16. giftes, R. vices. pag. 390. li. 16 put owt but. pag. 402. lin. 16. R. inconuenient. pag. 440 lin. 5. this R. there is. pag. 441. li. 9. put for as, where as, and lin. 12. R. and in not. pag. 443. lin. 2. obteined. R. obſerued pa. 499. lin. 22 after the word before: ad, yt appointeth. pag. 516. lin. 19. for biſhops R. elders, pag. 553. li. 2. put out belike ſuche as ours.
Other faultes vvhichwhich may ſomevvhat ſtay the Reader.
Page 9. line 6. put owt and pag. 11. li. 15. ſaith R. faith. page 18. li. 35. one read owne. page 19, li. 25, R, procedeth. page 21. li. 19. R. Vincentius. page 23. li. 6. they R. there. page 31. li. 2. R. ſpake. page 33. in the margent put owt Ierome Tom. 3. praeface in Iob. page 37. li. 11. R. bouldnes. page 41. li. 5. R. ſuſpition. page 42. li. 21. R. not to come. page 46. in the margent. R. implicita. pa. 46. li. 30. R. members, page 49. l. 14. for R. of, page 50. li 21. R. magnifie, pa. 51. li. 11. there al R the real, page 52. li. 29. put owt the, page 53 li. 9. R. that a man, li. 11. R. and not onelyonly, page 55. li. 36. R▪ herewith, page 61. li. 25. diuiſ. 7. R. 5, page 64. li. 28. R not note, pag. 77. li. 18. R. Ancyran, li. 21. put owt is page 94. li. 16. R. foreign, page 96. li. 31. R. remnantes, page 106. li. 4. R. ſnatcher, page 108. li. 35. this. R. thus, page 112. li. 18. R. tel me now, page 116. li. 19. put owt yet, page 131. li. 26. R. poore, page 133. li 26. R ſelf, pa. 145 li. 8. R. anſwerer, li. 8. be R. he, page 146. li. 24. R. ſoundnes of doctrine, page 148. l. 36. R. not, page 151. li. 6. R. gift, l. 29. R. abilitie, page 194. l. 8. put owt the figure of twelue, page 211. li. 23. M. R maiſter, page 225. li. 20. R. I hauehave, page 233. li. 3. if, R. yt, page 234 li. 35. in the magent, R. …75, page 238. li. 13. R. was then, page 247. li. 8, R. the whole, page 265. li. 19. R. fauouring, page 259. li. 24. R. yow might, page 281. li. 15 put owt and, page 293 li. 20. R miniſtery, page 302. li. 11. R title, page 316. li. 13. he R. be, li. 7. R. moſte, page 334. li. 37. R. with, page 337. li. 18. R. yt is in an, page 341. li. 29. be R. he, page 351. li. 35. R. are in the, li. 36 are R. of, page 364 li 30, R ſeauen yeare, page 373. l 21. R. reading, li. 28. R. dealing, page 380. li: 24 in the margent, R. 572. page 394. li. 13 yt, R. yet, page 405. li. 29. R. foreign, page 457 li 36 for the ſecond there, R. his, page 460. li. 32, R. in that, page 478. li 20. R. for him, page 485. li. 12. R. weigh, page 492, li. 1. put owt which, page 494. li. 18. R. title, page 504. li. 24. R. chew wordes, page 503. li. 12. 17 29. 33. R Sozomene, page 508▪ li. 29. R. fondly, page 534 li. 29. R. had ſaid, page 536. li. 1. R. doen, page 562. li. 34, R. peece, page 565. li. 29, their R. other li. 33. for other, R. their, page 566. l. 16 R. with, page 570. li. 9. in the margent, R. aduerſus, page 581. li. 30, R. ſcambling, page 585. li, 8, is, R, as,
The anſvver, vntounto the doctors praeface: entitled, to the godly reader,
TO all here / in controuerſie / cōſidering they are barely ſaid without proof: yf they be affirmations / one yea / yf they be denials / one nae / ſhall be enowgh: ſeing they are all handled at large in this book. Except that / off ceremonies vſed in popery / wheroff how vntrwly he ſpeaketh when he ſaith that the reiecting off them / ſtandeth vponupon this / that we may not vſe, in any wiſe or in any conſideration reteined in the church any thing that hath bene abuſed vnderunder the Pope: both hath manifeſtly in my former book / and further ſhall (God willing) in the later part off my reply appear.
Anſwer to his two Tables / wheroff the firſt is intitled off daungerous pointes off doctrine: the other off vntrwthes and falſified autorities, conteined in my reply.
AFter I had ended my book / and was entred vponupon the preface: I receiued a treatiſe called / An examination off M. Doctor VVhitgiftes cenſures, conteined in tvvo Tables, ſet before his book intituled the defence of the anſvver to the admoni. Wherof as I was glad for the truthes ſafe which ſhall receiue ſtrenght by yt ſo I was ſory / that I receiued yt no ſooner / for that it might both hauehave caſed me off muche labor / and hauehave ſerued me for a good direction in thoſe places / which might ſeem to require a larger defence / then the ſhortnes yt foloweth / would receiue. And as thoſe off the churche which acknowledg this trwth / ſo I eſpecially / for whoſe ſupport (I take) yt was written / hartely thanck the autor and deſire the reader / to vſe yt for a ſupply / where my anſwer doeth not ſatiſfy him. Whiche anſwers off myne / ſo far as I hauehave hetherto gone: he ſhall finde / after this ſort.
In the firſte Table.
The firſt Article becawſe yt was not lincked with any 1.particuler cauſe in controuerſie I pourpoſed to anſwer in this place: but now I will reſt in the anſwer which is made. The 2. is anſwered page xlij. line 33. The 3. is anſwered page 2, 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8.xlv. line 17. The 4 page liij li. 20. The 5. page lxxxix. li. 14. The 6. page xcv. l. 29. The 7. page ccxlij. li. 21. For the 8. I refer my ſelf to the foreſaid treatiſe: eſpecially conſidering that I hauehave paſſed by that whole Tractate. The 9. is anſwered page ccccxlviij. lin. 6. 9. 14. 15.The 14. page. ccclj. li. 28. The 15. page ccclxxiij. li. 37.
In the ſecond Table.
The firſt is anſwered page viij. li. 22. The 2. page ix. li. 26. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8.The 3. page. lxij. li. 21. The 4. page lxxxij. lin. 37. The 5. page xcj. li. 4. The 6. page clx. ij. l. 29. The 7. page cxcj. li 1. In the 8. that part touching ſubtil ſuppreſſion / is anſwered page cclij li. 12 the other lieth vponupon Illiricus / whom I named the autor off that report / yf yt be not in the Code. The 9. is anſwered page cclv. li. 16. The 9. 10. 11. 12. 17. 13. 14. 15. 16. 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. 26. 27. 28. 29. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. 35. 36. 37.10. page cclvj. li. 27. The 11. page cclxxvj. li. 27. The 12. and 17. page cclxxvij. li. 17. The 13. page cclxxx. li. 12. The 14. page cclxxxj li. 4. The 15. page cclxxxij. li. 7. The 16. page ccc. li. 33. The 18 pa. cclx…x li. 34. To the 19. and 20. I anſwer as to the 8. off the firſt table. The 22. is anſwered page cccclxxxj. li. 18. The 22. ccccxxxvj. li. 12. The 23. page ccccxciij. li. 33. The 24. page diiij. li. 1. The 25. pa. dxij. li 28. The 26. page dxxxiiij. li. 11. The 27. dlxx. li. 15. The 28. page dcxxv. li. 26. The 29. page dcxxvj. li. 36. The 30. page dcxv. li. 4. The 31. page dcxxvij. li. 29. The 32. is anſwered before in the Epiſtle. The 33. page dcxlj. li. 13. The 34. page dcxliij. li. 33. The 35. page dcxlv. li. 1. The 36. page dxxiij. li. 5. The 37. page dcliiij. li. 1. The reſt in both the tables remain to be anſwered / in the ſecond part off my reply.