Doctor Hills Reasons for Upholding of Papistry Unmasked — Archbishop George Abbot

Doctor Hills Reasons for Upholding of Papistry Unmasked · Archbishop George Abbot

THE FOVRTH REASON. Conversion of Countreyes.

T. HILL.

IT … most pl…ne and manifest, that all … which ever beleeved in Christ, were first converted to his … by such, … either … precisely sent, or … the least wise had their authority from the …, which lived in the time in which they were con…rted. … thing is … set dow… in the History of the first conv…rsion of every countrey, as no Protest… vvere … …ver so … ….

G. ABBOT.

1 TO deale favourably with you, and not to answere you as in this place you deserue is there any man of tolerable learning, or any whit seene in the Ecclesiasticall story, who doeth not heere thinke that you want some body, who may not only exagitate you, but exco…te you also? when, as if you were become some Aquaviva or General of the Iesuits, you so and aciously giuegive downe such generall propositions, not onelyonly farre from truth, but much estraunged from the very shewe and semblance thereof. I do lesse pity you, because the farther I goe, the more I perceiue you to be a sworne servant to Antichrist, & therfore there is nothing which may advance your masters credit, but you a… devoted to him, must say it & do it. But in my very bowels I pity, & take compassiō of divers my bewitched coū treymen, sily women and young fondlings, who receiving from you such stuffe; so boldly & asse verantly averred, hauehave not the skill to discover you, nor the grace to repaire vntounto such, as may lay open the Ambuscadoes and snares, which you hauehave prepared for them. Where there needeth no other proofe to descry this your dealing, then to obserue, that in this your so potent and puissant challenge, you cite not one author, you name not one particular, you single not out the Pope, you point not out the countrey, you assigne not the preachers by whom it is done, you mention not the time, nor yeeld vsus any reason wherefore you do say it, but only this that you doe say it. Wherein you over-lash beyond the most that ever wrote on your side; for other assumed somewhat, but you throw at all; and losing hauehave nothing to pay. The Iesuites whom afterward you commende in this Chapter, doe not vse to extenuate their holy Fathers commendation, but to set it as high as may be: and aControv. cap. 2. … Wats. Quodl. 8. 4.Costerus among thē being one, who had a … deale more reading, and learning and iudgment, thē you seeme to hauehave, pretermitting (as he telleth vsus) the Churches of the East and of the South, saith, it is certaine that Germany and Fraunce were first converted by such as Peter sent. And afterward he would bring in the kingdoms of England & Scotland as brought to the faith, by the successours … Peter in the see of Rome; and to those he addeth Africa, meaning as … should seeme some pa… thereof, lying neere to Italy: for hee himselfe allo…h Aethiopia to Saint Matthew, and Aegypt, Libia, & the Africanes there about to Simon, and Saint Marke the Evangelist. But the conversion of Spaine he … S^t. Iames: of Thracia and Scythia Europ… …o Saint … o… Scythia Asiatica to Philip, of Armenia and the hither part of India to Bartholomew, of Parthia, Media, Persia, …, the Brach…ane & Bactrians vntounto Thomas, as also the farther part of India; which is yet beleeved in that coūtrey, as bOsor. degest. Eman. lib. 3. Maff Hist. Iudic. lib 2.appeareth by such as hauehave written the navigations of the Portingales into those partes. And at these things are witnessed by some of the old writers, so cEccl Hist. lib. 3. 1.Eusebius hath this farther, that Asia fel to Iohn the Evangelist, meaning Asia the lesser or Natolis, but that Peter as it seemeth did preach the word to the Iewes, who were d1. Pet. 1. 1.dispersed in Pontus, Gal…tia, …, … and Asia.

2 Thus in the time of the Apostles, the greatest parte of the known world had heard of the faith of Christ, & in some good measure embraced it: that being verified, that eRom. 10. 1…their sound that is the Apostles went out through all the earth, and their wordes into the ends of the world, and Christs Prophecie being fulfilled, that fMat. 24. 14the Gospell of the kingdome should be preached through al… … world for a … nes vntounto all nations, and then should the end come, which was done before the destruction of Hierusalem, that gVers 34.generat… beeing not yet passed, which lived in Christs time. And this is so vndoubted a truth, that Costerus saith, The hControv. cap 2.Catholike Church as first was propagated by the Apostles themselues, almost through all knowne countreyes. Now all this while there was no Pope; and if it should bee obiected (as no other shift there is in the world, and that is but a simple one) that Peter as Pope sent the rest of the Apostles, some to this place, some to that, I require one text o… scripture to bee shewed, or one monument of antiquity to be produced, which maye confirme so much. It is not vnlikelye, but that the Apostles in some assembly at Hierusalem did consent, what regions each of them should betake themselues vntounto: but that any one did appoint to the rest their charges, we no where find. Nay plaine it is that Peter himselfe, had his portion assigned him, to preach to the iGal. 2. 7.Iewes, as Paule had to preach to the Gentiles, which was the greater charge. And whither this were appropriated to him by God, as the text seemeth well to encline, or whither by the consent also of the Apostles; Paule had his Commission in the same manner; which he so little thinketh inferiour to the others, that he kIbidem.nameth it before Peters, and standeth vponupon lver. 8. & 9.tearmes of equality in power, and fellowship in action. But that I may force the authour of this libell to say, Penne thou writest vntruth, Samaria received Christ, by the preaching of mAct. 8. 5. 14.Philip, before that Peter knew of it, and the n27.Eunuch of Aethiopia on the way, was in like sort brought to religion by the same Philip, and he went home immediately, and planted the faith in his Countrey (as oEccl Hist. Lib. 2. 1.Eusebius sheweth) which was done without Peters privity: for a good space after that, hee made doubt, whither the Gentiles might hauehave the worde opened to them, vntill that by a vision qAct. 10. 10.from heaven that scruple was removed. And I pray you was there nothing done by Saint Paul, whose authority was immediate from rGalat. …. 1God, & not frō man, he beeing not set on worke from other, but receiving his commission from Iesus Christ himselfe? The history of whose labours in turning men to Christ, although Saint Luke doth particularly relate in the Actes of the Apostles, yet for brevity sake we will looke to one place only, of his owne testimony; and he saith that sRom. 15. 19from Hierusalem, & rounde about vntounto Illyricum, he caused the Gospell of Christ to abound. And to take away all pretence of obiection he addeth, that he preached the Gospell where svers. 20.Christ was not named, least hee shoulde hauehave built on another mans foundation. If these things be so plaine as no Christian can doubt of them, blush and blush againe at such desperate audaciousnesse, as maketh no conscience, egregiously to faine.

T. HILL.

TRue it is that Heretikes have corrupted such as were Catholikes before, but that they ever converted any Heathen Nation to Christianity, can never bee shewed. I know very well that Iohn Calvine to get glorie, sent certaine of his Ministers into nevve-founde landes: but I never coulde heare that any of them converted so much as one sily vvoman to their Gospell in those partes. The trueth is, their agreement in doctrine vvas so greate, that one destroying anothers buildings, they became laughing flockes to the Heathens, and so vvere glad to depart with shame.

G. ABBOT.

3 THAT Heretikes hauehave corrupted such, as were weaklings or discontented persons, is true: and may well bee exemplified in your broode perverting diverse credulous and indiscreete folkes, from their obedience to God and their Princes: but they are not sounde Catholikes, or vvell setled and grounded in the faith, who will listen to you, or any seducer. And if there bee any heathen nation vvhichwhich hath hearde of the name Christ by you, and your polluted Christianity; it is most certaine, that it hath bin by Heretikes, the servauntes and attendantes of the whore of Babylon, beeing a hundred waies infected with heresie; and the vvhole body of Popery where it differeth from vsus, being nothing else but a masse of abhominable heresie. But vvhere-as you say that Calvine sent some of his Ministers into the nevvefounde lande, if you vnderstoode your selfe in this, which like a Parret you speake from other men, and know not what it meaneth, the tIo. Leriu… in navigat. in Brasil. ca. 1, 2, 6.viage into Brasile in the yeare one thousand fiue hundred fifty & fiue, was the original worke of Villagagno a Knight of Malta, who pretending himselfe to be religious, & seeing the persecution, which at that time was vsed in France against Gods children, vnderunder K. Henry the second, gaue out in words that hee would search out a place in the newe-found VVesterne vvorld; whither persecuted Christians might flie out of Fraunce, Spaine and other countries. And for this purpose hee had ayde of Cha…llion, that worthy Admirall of Fraunce, who was afterward sl…ine at the uAn. 1572.Massacre in Paris. And whereas by his letter, Uillagagno had made request to the Church of Geneva, to send with him or vntounto him, diverse Ministers of the Gospell, they at his entreary condescended therevnto, and some went: who as especially they desired to prepare a place for their afflicted country-men, whereof at that time many were burnt for Religion, so their next intendment was, to vse their best meanes to convert the Barbarians vntounto the faith of CHRIST. And when diverse of the Ministerie leaving their countrie, kinred, and that estate which they had in Fraunce, were come thither with those resolutions, they never dissented in the least pointe of the… doctrine. But Uillagagno like a notable Hypocrite, togither with a Popish Priest of his, one Cointas, (who had before abiured Popery there, as also the Generall voluntarilie had done) relapsed to their vomite, evill entreated their Ministers by all meanes that they could devise, set the companie vponupon a mutinie, and forced such as lost not their lives there, to returne to their country, when they had scant spente one yeare in those partes, and that full of vexation, by reason of their Conductours perfidious falshood. This was the reason, wherefore that viage sorted to small purpose; and not the discorde of the Ministers. And this wicked practise did arise from the Cardinall of Lorraine, who either in secret before the departure of Uillagagno, or afterward by letters drewe him to Apostate from his faith, …s Lerius who was there in presence, and reporteth the specials of all that viage, and their Generals vsage there, doth amply remember. And that this was the true cause of their returne, wee neede not appeale to any of our men, fince Costerus the Iesuite will tell it thus, ^u The Calvinistes not many yeares agone, Controver. cap 2.did attempt to bring in their errours to the people of India and Peru, but by the …ide of CHRIST, and by the industrie of the Catholikes they were excluded. Indeede the Cardinall of Lorraine be stirred himselfe in that businesse, being so bitter an enimy to the Gospell of CHRIST, that hee could not endure, that the Frenchmen should have it at home or abroade, least belike multitudes of them should have left their countrie, and built Colonies elsewhere. So he cared not what losse or dishonour the kingdome of Fraunce had, so there might be no Sanctuary, or refuge for those whome hee reputed heretikes, dealing as honestly and faithfully therein, as Steven Gardiner while hee lived, and afterwardes other of the Cleargie, did with Caleis in Queene Maries time: which towne they vnderstanding to be the receptacle of many good Christians, fled out of England for their conscience; were so averse from regarding, repayring and supplying it, that the French discrying the weakenesse thereof, by attempting it both sodeinely and subtilely, & afterward pursuing their enterprise fearcely, did get it from the English. Such was the blessed minde of that Machiavellian Cardinall, whome GOD xCommentar. Relig. & Reip. in Gal. Lib. 13.remembred at the last, suffering him by a colde (which he had taken by going barefoote, and whipping himselfe for his lascivious sinnes) to grow first into a fever, and then into a madnesse, which sent him raving, and foolishly speaking, to receive his iudgement. The Queene mother as ashamed that Ahitophel shoulde proove Nabal, caused it to bee reported about the Courte, that the man went to GOD, in most sweete meditations; but the other was so evident, that every bodye laughed at the simplicitie of their devise, who would have that covered, which the Lorde had shewed of purpose, that every ones y1. Sam 3. 11.eares who heard of it might tingle.

T. HILL.

BVT who knoweth not that the Catholikes as they have converted all to Christianity that ever were Christians: so in this age they have brought infinite numbers to the Christian faith in the East & VVest Indies, by the meanes and labours of the most happy and holy fathers of the holie Order of S^t. Frauncis, of S. Dominicke, and of the blessed Society of Iesus, which blessed Religious men in our owne Country there of England, onelyonly in regard of their sacred function are executed as Traitors. And have not these I pray you their authority from Rome?

G. ABBOT.

4 THE vanitie and vnwisenesse of this asseveration; I hauehave plentifully shewed before. But heere I do adde, that there is scant any Country whose Authenticall Recordes doe proove, that your Romanistes (for these you must meane, as in your former speech) brought first the faith vntounto them. Of Italye, Fraunce and Germany I vvill say nothinge: let them aunsvvere for themselves; but vvee English men may best speake of England. zBristow Mo…v. 17.Some Papistes hauehave saide it that Augustine the Monke vvas the first, vvho brought the faith into England by Gregories meanes, and therfore they doubte not to call him our Apostle. Let it bee that some Saxons first receaved by him Baptisme; yet who beholdeth not in Bed… aEccl. Hist. lib. 1. 7. 8.writing that storie, that Christianitie had bin in Britaine long before? There were then Brittish Bishops who well knewe the faith of CHRIST, and liked bLib 2. 2.not of Austen for the pride which they saw to bee in him. But long before this, was the name of Christ knowen in this Iland, cBed Hist. 1. 7.Albanus being heere martyred, Helena the mother of Constantine the Great being dHuntingt. Histor. lib. 1.borne heere as it is storied, and Pelagius the heretike against whome Saint Austen the Bishop of Hippo wrote, beeing of this country. eBed lib 1▪ 10:So that it is but a toy, that Gregories Monke was the first that ever brought Christianity hither. The wiser sort of Papists, having it out of fLib: 4. 19:Monumetensis, who long since was branded for a g… in pro…m: Hist…r:fabulous writer, and frō hLib: 2: c: 21Freculphus who was one of some better credit, say that King Lucius of Britanny, about the yeare of our Lord 180. did send to Eleutherius the Bishop of Rome, & from him had some sent in, who baptised him & his people. This so overthrowing that other opinion concerning Austen, is ordinarily taken vp among our Romanists thēselves, in so much that M. Watson in his iQuodlib: 814:Quodlibets, nameth for preachers of Christ, Fugatius & Damianus, supposed to be sent hither by k…: 4: 19:Eleutherius, amōg the old Albion Britains, & Saint Austen amōgst the English Saxons, of whō we all came. But as touching that of Elentherius, the l…. Fo… in Hist: Eccles:letter …owe extant as sente from King Lucius vntounto him, is rather for a Copy of the civil and Imperial lawes of Rome, to bee sent vntounto him into England, then for any thing else there mētioned. I may not therefore heere forget, that it is receaved for a veritie, that yet long before the daies of Lucius and Eleutherius, the seede of the Gospell was sowen in Britaine, evē in the prime age of the Apostles, by Ioseph of Arimathea; which by the Iesuite mControv. cap. 2.Costerus is not concealed when he saith, For men vvill have, or they say, that Ioseph of Arimathea in the Apostles time was in England, and that Simon the Leaper didgovern the Church Cenomanensis in Fraunce. And to manifest that this is verie probable, it shall not be amisse brieflie to cite such reasons, as Maister nEccle. Histor. l. 2.Foxe hath collected, to shewe that the Britaines had receaved CHRIST, before the daies of Eleutherius and Lucius, vvho lived about the yeare of our LORD 180. First hee citeth out of oDe victor. Aure… Ambros.Gildas, that in the yeare 63. Philip the Apostle sent Ioseph of Arimathea hither out of Fraunce, and he first laide the foundation of Christian Religion. Secondly out of Tertullian, that pContr. Indaeos.the places of the Britaines which were inaccessible by the Romans, were subiect to Christ. Thirdly out of qHomil. 4. in Ezech.Origene specifying that since the comming of Christ, Britaine did consent to the knowledge of the onelyonly God, and both Tertullian and Origene, hee reputeth to bee, before the time of Eleutherius a little. Fourthly out of Bede rHistor. Eccl. l. 5. 22.signifieth that the Britaines in his time, especially such as had not conformed themselues, a little before to the Romane fashion, did keepe their Easter after the manner of the East Church. Fiftly out of Petrus … writing to Saint Bernard, and affirming that the Scots kept their Easter in the same manner, which sheweth that all the partes of this Ilande were brought to CHRIST, by some who came out of the East; or else the ceremonies should have beene planted after the fashion of the VVesterne Church. Sixtly out of sLib. 2. 40Nicephorus, affirming that Simon Zelotes brought the Gospell into the Iles of Britaine. Seaventhly sEpistol. ad Eleuther.from Lucius himselfe, vvho plainely signifieth that hee had received CHRIST, before the sending to Eleutherius for the Romane Lavves. These reasons collected by Maister Foxe are more of force, then the slight testimonies of such late vvriters, as may mistake one thing for another, the sending for of the Imperial lawes, to be to call for the faith of Christ. But admit it were thus, and we should yeeld to the conceipt of these later authors, what maketh this for them, or against vsus? Since the words of the Apostle Paule may be vsed in this behalfe, t1. Cor. 14. 36.Came the word of God out from you? that is to say, were you the first citty whence the Gospell was derived? was it Rome it selfe that had it originally? or was it not rather converted, by that which came from Ierusalem? That cittie in Iudea was the fountaine of all, & therefore if any place should be respected for that which is past, Hierusalem shoulde bee renoumed, and magnified even of Rome it selfe, and of all other, because from thense all primarilie, (albeit some mediately and some immedi…tely) sucked the doctrine of the Christian faith. But as our Papistes in this case make no account of Hierusalem, since the glorie both inward and outward thereof is decayed, so wee make as little reckoning of Rome, which is so vtterly swarved from the puritie of that profession, which it had not onelyonly in the time of the Apostles, but even of Eleutherius, that vix uTerent. in Eunucho.cognoscas cand…m esse. VVee can in no sorte discerne it to bee the same.

5 VVhat a harvest your Dominicane and Franciscane Friers have made in the Indies, I deferre to recount till I come to the nexte Chapter. OnelyOnly heere I tell you, that vponupon vncontroulable warrant wee finde not, that almost any man of worth, for learning, wisedome, warfare or government, hath by his conversion given any testimony to Christendome, of the good which your Friers have done among the Indians. You please your selues with fancies, and mulus mulum scabit, one of you doth falsely trumpet the praises of another. If you be such convetters, why goe you not into Africa, into the kingdomes of Marocco and Fez, to Tunis or Argier? From Spaine or Italie, the distance is not much to these. Or why do you not crosse the Adriatike sea, & step into Grecia or Morea? why traveile you not farther to Constantinople, Tripoly or Aleppo to winne men from Mahomet, which is so much the easier, because all these Turkes & Saracens admit of some Positions belōging to the Christiā faith, but the Indians accept of none. Truth it is, that vntounto these places, other nations of Christendome for trafficke do resort; and therefore if you should report any vntruth cōcerning these, you would quickly be disproved. But far traveilers may say more then ordinary men, and for that cause you tell vsus a tale of the Indies, and some of your men say that there they cast out Devils also. They do wel to lay it in places so distant… for although they egregiously faine, yet we shal hardly take them tripping: it is no ready worke to convince them. But wee imagine that your attemptes for conversion, may have the same successe in the East and VVest Indies, as the offer of your uMaff Hist. Lib. 1.Portingale Priestes and Friers had in Congo, where adventuring vponupon verie small acquaintance, to baptize the king and the inhabitantes, the most part as your Historiographer saith, (but it is to be feared that all) quickly renounced Christianity, & returned to their heathenish wallowing in the mire. They disliked not the first principles of the faith, neither the Ceremonies therein, but when they were called vponupon to leave their grosse vices, as adultery and witchcrafte and seeking to Devils, to remitte iniuries, to restore thinges vniustly taken each from other, they would not endure these exhortations, but like reneging Apostatas they became as before. And of likely-hood so it fell out frequently with the Spanyards in America, where they xPetr. Martyr. Decad. 3. 10.were exceeding nimble in administring baptisme, to those who knewe very little. Had it not beene fit, that before the Sacrament had beene imparted, the Infidels should out of Gods booke largely hauehave heard of many thinges? which course Iohn the Baptist did take, preaching repentaunce; yMath. 3. 2and that woulde well have tryed them before hande, and so Gods name might not hauehave beene dishonoured, nor Baptisme abused, nor the people made the worse, nor the Priest never the better. Doth not the true Church of Christ gaine much by such titulary bargaines, and is not Gods kingdome much increased through it? And yet doubtlesse such good matches your Friers also make in the Indies, but especially in those of the East, where the inhabitants have more witte, and your messengers have lesser power. And if it bee so and no otherwise, yet with vsus heere in Europe, all these must goe for good Christians, and if there bee a score of such Nu…s Christians, wee shall heare of fiue hundred. So much may a tal… growe in co… so …. And the reporters speake for their owne reputation, and therefore without questioning you must beleeue them.

6 But I cannot chuse but heere smile, at the vertuous titles vvhichwhich you bestovve vppon the Iesuites, vvhen you call them the blessed Societie of Ies…, and th… blessed religious men. Hovve gladlye vvoulde you clavve them, vvho perhaps lately at zApolog. of the Archpriest…c a. 5.Rome did clapper-clavve you? And albeit you be now got to bee a Doctour of Divinitye, yet since it vvas certainelye against their aAnswere to the Manifestat. c. 1vvilles, you are vvith them but in nature of a Probationer, and an eye is c…rryed over you, so that if once againe you exorbitate from the rule of your superiours, hauehave at you for an olde grudge. Since your comming into Englande, to the ende that you maye deserue better of your good Lordes the Iesuites, you hauehave set out this present Pamphlet; yet the colde commendation vvhichwhich vvas vponupon you, continueth still, leaving an imputation of vveake iudgemente in you by your credulitye, and of heate and rashnesse in your apprehensions and contentions. Yet novve standing vponupon your triall, there is some hope that the tongue which formerlye you exercised vponupon these iollye Iesuites in the Colledge at Rome, shall bee turned against your King and Countrey, that in time you also may bee if not a Iesuite, yet one of those blessed men, vvho having their authoritye from Rome, and not from heaven, from Antichrist and not from God, maye bee entertained as a T…ytour. You beginne pretty vvell, and if you holde on but a vvhile, and increase as you desire, you may deserue such a prefermente. The Iesuites as you tell vsus hauehave their authoritie from Rome, not from Iesus, and vvhat a forge of mischiefe that Rome hath beene against Englande, he is blind who doeth not see. bSand. de Schismat.Thence came the sentence against King Henry the eight. Thence was continuall hatred derived against our late Soveraigne, from the day of her birth, vntill her dissolution from this mortalitie. Thence came the excommunication by Pius the fift, the declaration of the same by Sixtus the fift, the ratification of it by Clement the eight, if the Spanish Generall in cAn. 1601:Ireland did vvitnesse a truth. Hence came the Conspiracy of one Noble man, nowe acknowledged by dCatena in vita pij 5.him who vvrote the life of Pope Pius the fift, the insurrection of other Nobles, the attempts on Ireland in the Lord Grayes time, the incouraging and ayding of the vincible fleete in the yeere 1588. the late tumults in Ireland, besides such infinite proiects by Ballarde, Parrhy, Lopez, Squire, and such infamous varlets, to destroy her vvho vvas the most famous and renoumed Prince of Christendome. These thinges vvere sufficient, to cause the honourable Councel, and chiefe Magistrats not to sleepe, but as with eies opened towarde you: And if vvisedome vvill say eVirgil. Aen. 2.ab vno disce omnes, or ex vnguibus leonem, pretende you as long as you wil, that the Iesuits are heere executed for their sacred Function, vvee hauehave reason not to doubt, but somevvhat more there is in it. He who wrote the Iesuites Catechisme in French, as he hath many memorable matters, touching the sweete and sacred vices of these vnblessed and irreligious Fathers, so hee hath some thing touching Englande, as that fLib. 3. 3.Parrhyes attempt in the yeere 1584, And gCap. 4.Squires in the yeere 1597, was plotted, incouraged and abetted by the Iesuites, as hee sheweth by the whole processe of it. These devises can bee the execution of no function which is holy, vnlesse you will take it to bee holy after the Devils fashion. And may it not vvell bee supposed, that they vvho vvere so vvickedly affected tovvarde our last Soveraigne, vvill carrye the same minde tovvarde our present King, the mirrour of all Princely vertues, vnlesse the everlasting blessing of God, and prudent fore-fight otherwise do restraine them? VVhat louelove this Iesuiticall crewe doeth beare to his Highnesse, let that one thing in steede of all testifie, that they combined abroad, and to their best plotted at home, to bringe a Spanish Princesse the Infanta into that throne, vvhichwhich by all righte divine and humane belonged to his Maiestie, as the indubitate heire to the Imperiall Crownes of these kingdomes of England and Ireland. This intendment of theirs, is as cleere as the noone day, by hDoleman▪Persons his booke of Succession, by the vrging of the Studentes in the Seminaries to subscribe to the Spanishe title, if it were but in blankes, by the frequent charging of the Iesuites therewith, in the late books of the Secular Priests, & their Assistants; vntounto all which the Authour of the Apologie and Manifestation, doth not so much as faintly, & for a fashion, giuegive the least denial. We doubt not therefore but his most illustrious Maiesty, will be circumspect against such vipers, and that his Highnesse considereth the fruits of them, and their doctrine in Fraunce, the murther of King Henry the third, the animating of Paris and so many great citties to rebellion against the puissant King nowe regnant, the attempts of isasuit. cat. lib. 3. 6.Peter Barrier, and kCap. 8.Iohn Chastell (by the lesuites meanes) to commit murther and parricide vponupon his royal person, besides all the doctrine which they hauehave of the want of E…ds, to slay Kings whome they holde tyrauntes, of the Popes 'power to excommunicate Princes, and to absolve subiectes from the oath of their alleageance, of all Cleargie men in a kingdome exempt from the chastisement and governement of the temporall or Civill Monarke, and onelyonly subiect to the Bishop of Rome, the verity of which points hee may at large see, who will reade that little but excellent treatise, Le Fra…c Dis…rs. Their vow of blinde obedience to their Superiours, their position of ordine ad Deum, their rule of propter bonum societatis, will inferre any varletry, traiterousnesse, vilainy, or impiety in the worlde, bee it whatsoever. Lastly the experience which is had of them, doth manifest that they are like the olde Pharises, of whom lAntiquit. lib. 17. 3.Iosephus could say, that they were aprowde generation and dangerous vntounto Kings; for they entred Polony, and mQuodlib. 3. 7.straight there followed vponupon it a rebellion against their Soveraigne, they hauehave beene the meanes that nIes. Catec. lib. 3. 16.Stephen Batori novve king of Poleland, is thrust from his ancient kingdome of Sweden, & the whole life of the activer sort of them, being nothing but a oQuodlib. in praefat.tampering in state causes, and Princes affaires, their felicity is to set the Realmes where they come into a combustion. If then for these and the like reasons, the King of Fraunce professing for the Romish faith, hath by solēne Edict banished these Iebusites out of his kingdome, and that on paine of death, and they are not harboured in his Realme, but only in Burdeaux and Tholouse, which is to be hoped will also shortly bee redressed; is it to be wondered, that our kingdome professing the reformed religion, & being England which of old could endure no wolues should abandon this lewde Society? It might rather be reputed a singular weakedesse, in so wise and vigilant a State, as God bee praysed this is, if there should not be provision made to keepe out such Caterpillers, or rather Foxes and Beares, who come to destroy the flocke, and insteed of converting of countries wherof you speake, intende the perverting of consciences, and turning them from that due obedience, which they owe to the Almighty God of heaven, and to his Vice-gerent here amonge vsus. It hath pleased the Lord long agone, to open the eies of our Governours, to see the drifts of these men, and wee are to pray that their heartes may ever bee inspired, to see the execution of such wholesome lawes, that some may take the pCant. 2. 15Foxes, the little Foxes which destroy the Uines, that is to say, such body-killing, & soulemurthering spiritual enemies, who destroy many a weake womā and vnadvised rash young man.

T. HILL.

I will not here speake of the infinite number of Miracles, wrought by Catholickes in conversion of Countreys, and namely of those which are now done in both the Indies, by the holy Fathers aforesaide, for that I reserve that matter for his proper place: but I would advise you here diligently to weigh the sequele of the Assertion of the Protestantes: howe that if Papistes be not true Christians, and of the right religion then doth it necessarily followe, that neither Spanyards, nor Portingales, nor Sardinians, nor Sicilians, nor Italians, nor Germaines, nor Transylvanians, nor Hungarians, nor Polouians, nor Danes, nor Flemmings, nor Scots, nor Irish, nor English, no nor any Nation vnderunder heaven had ever true Religion, before Frier Luther maried Moune Bore, before Iohn Calvin run away to Geneva, before Peter Martyr with his Fustolugges came to teach at Oxford, and before a number of such like good companions, ledde only by sensualitie and carnall zeale dishodded themselues and became such spectacles to the world as every mā knoweth. Which thing to affirme is flatly to denie Christ, and all Christianity, as I shewed in my first Reason.

G. ABBOT.

YOur mounstrous Miracles you put over to another Chapter, and thither (God willing) I will follow you, so that in good time you shal heare of mee. The foolishnesse and ridiculousnesse of this your other assertion I have qAnswere to the 1. Reason.already manifested: but heere you are disposed to commemorate the nations of Christendome, although to small purpose well I wote, (vnlesse you would hauehave vsus note that you put the Spaniards first, and the English last.) For if you have named the French also, & the Bohemians, & Muscovits & Graecians, we must answere you that among these or so many of these, as it seemed good to the divine Providence, there was true Religion; and yet the grosser sort of your Papistes had none of it, albeit some touched with some smal staines of Popery did belong to Gods kingdome. And these were not only before the birth of these excellent men whō you name, but in all ages since Christ his time. VVherefore your bold talking heere, is no better then idle trifling. That Doctour Luther was a Frier and his wife a Nonne, wil be easily granted vntounto you; but in a Christian mans vnderstanding, what more preiudice is therin, then that rExod. 2. 10Moses for a time was brought vp as the sonne of Phara…s daughter, or that sAct. 23. 6.S^t. Paule was a Pharisee, or that sLuk 82. 3.Mary Magdalone was agrievous sinner, or tLuk. 19. 1.Zacheus the maister of the custome? It was no fault for uGen. 19: 12Let to come out of Sodome, neither is it to be blamed, that any hastē out of uApoc: 18: 4Babylon. But the greese is that he a Votary did mary her a Votary, which Campians malice so expresseth, xRation: 3:d…ec incesto … votam Deo virginem f…sset, and this quarrell you have also against many other rare instruments of Gods glorie. But if you wil looke to that where your eie… ought to be set, the true fault was, that in their younger-daies beeing swayed by the course of those times, they had without mature iudgment taken a vow vpō thē, which was very rash and vnadvised. From the making of such vowes Salomon yEccl. 5: 5:doth dehort, Suffer not thy mouth to make thy flesh to finne: He wisheth that men should be so providēt as absolutely to promise nothing, which they had not strong assurance that they might wel performe. And that vowes should not be made, which afterward leade to inevitable sinne. Concerning the oth of I…phthe, zIn quaest: & Resp: ad Orthodox: quaest 99:lustine Martyr saith thus, God did suffer the daughter of Iephthe to be offered as a sacrifice, not that he did delight in mans bloud but that posteritie might hau… that sch…ling, that they should never dedicate their vowes to God at large, or indefinitely. Then by the iudgement of Iustine there is no doubt, but men may make too large vowes to God himselfe. In as much then as these persons had taken on thē a yoke, which though it be not so, absolutely to all, yet to them in their conscience was insupportable, and they felte with themselues that they might not continue vnderunder that burrhen without grievous sinne for the preventing whereof the Apostle had propounded a remedy, a1: Cor: 7. 9If they cannot abstaine let them mary, for it is better to mary then to burne, I doubte not but in the feare of God, with sober & long deliberation they did vndoe that, which by the incitement of their friendes, or indiscreetely of their owne heades they had formerly done. And that Lord who vnderunder the Levitical law was so merciful, as to appoint a bLevit: 5: 4:trespasse offering for such a one as had made any vow rashly, assigning him to confesse his fault & thē pardoning the same, would also remitt vntounto his excellēt servants, whō he had singled out to help so much to the building of his tabernacle, that temerations bond which they had made, since with repētāce & grief, they acknowledged their former presūption that way. And that such who after their vowe could not liue cōtinētly, might mary, Epiphanius doth witnes, who whē he hath distinguished betweene iudgment & condemnation, & said cEpiphan: Haeres: 611that better is iudgment wherof the Apostle speaketh then cō demnatiō he resolveth the case thus: It is better therfore to have one sin & not more. It is better that he who is fallen frō his course, should opēly take vntounto him a wife according to the law, and from his virginity a great while should repent, and so againe be brought into the Church, as one that hath wrought evill, as one who is fallen and broken, and hath neede of binding vp, & not to be woūded every day with secret darts, by the wickednes which is brought vponupon him by the Devill. Thus the Church knoweth to preach. These are the medicines of healing. These are the kindes of annointing cōfession. And Ierome although whē he was yong he had writē, Virgins dLib: 1: contr lovinianwhich after their cōseerating hauehave maried are not so much adulterous as incestuous, which is to bee vnderstood, if they might any waies containe, yet thirty yeares after (for so it is to be collected out of his Epistle Ad Demetriadem) seeing how the Church was blemished by the incontinency and want onnesse of some Votaries, saith thus, The name of some Virgins who beare not themselves well, doth defame the holy purpose of Virgins, and the glory of the family of heaven and Angels. Unto whom it is openly to be said, that either they shoulde mary if they cannot containe themselues, or should containe, if they be vnwilling to mary. Thus this father permitteth mariage to vowed persons, if they cannot chastly leade a single life, neither doth he thinke their mariage to be a sinne, as neither did Saint Austen: but if there bee a faulte, it is because they breake their vow. *Aug. de bono vidui. tat cap. 9.Not because she mariage it selfe, even of such is iudged to bee condemned or damnable, but the breaking of their purpose is condē ned, the faith of their vow being broken is condemned; there is condemned not an eSusceptio à bono inferiorevndertaking from an inferiour good, but a fall frō a higher good. So speaketh hee who both there and fIn psa. 83.else-where liketh not the slipping from vowed virginity; which wee also doe not like, if there be any godly meanes to continue in it, without perpetuall enormous sinne; wherein the triall must be a mans owne conscience soberly and most advisedly consulted, as betweene God & the soule, and not the opinions of other men. And I may not doe such wronge to Luther & his wife, or to other of that time, as not to thinke that with long & ponderous advise, they weighed what was fittest in this case to be done.

8 That Iohn Calvine did run away to Geneva is a ridiculous accusation, much false, and more foolish. And whereas you suppose that he was the first who preached the Gospell at Geneva, as now it is there preached, that is one of your ignorances: for a reverend man Farellus by name, did plant the same doctrine in Geneva, before that Calvine came thether: Which if no body else would hauehave told you, you might hauehave learned of gin Antid. Matth 23.Stapleton. But before both those, as also before the comming of Peter Martyr to Oxford, even from our Saviours time, the truth which wee professe, is and hath ever beene: and when you hauehave brabbled as long as you can, you shall never shew to the contrary. Now when you name these three, Luther, Calvin and Martyr, you do not dishonour them, but grace them, since when they are rightly thought of, they are like h2. Sam. 23 12.three of Davids worthies, or in a sorte like the iDan. 3. 12.three children which were in the fiery furnace and not burnt, beeing ever in the flame of Popish rancour and slaunder, & al maledicous defamation, and yet louely to the places where they lived, dying all of them in peace, and the memory of them blessed, as being great bel-wethers in Gods flocke, & renoumed Captaines in the Lordes battailes. Howe happy are those men, who for their constant standing in the gappe, against Sathan & Antichrist, are every day illustrated, and made celebrious, by the maligning of the adversaries of truth? Their soules are in peace, and their glory is promulgated by their enemies trumpets, who the more they oppugne them, the more we doe louelove them, and eternise the memory of them. These and other their consorts, as the Archbishop Cranmer with other of the English, Melācthon and Bucer, and Fagius and many more of their ranke, were no such loose companions and sensuall men as you fondly doe here intimate, neither ever did they become bad spectacles to the world, but ledde their liues in study, in preaching and writing, which may well appeare by such volumes of their workes, as having beene laide on the Popes backe, hauehave broken many ribs of him, that they never will be able to close againe. Their learning, their industry, their faithfulnesse, their vertuous conversation every way, might bee a glasse and mirrour to your Cardinals and Bishops, and all your Romish Cleargy, where for the most parte ignoraunce and idlenesse, and wantonnesse doth abound. And what marvaile can it be, that men so fore-ordained by the secret providence of the Almightye, to doe such noble service in the campe of the everlasting Lord, and to ransake the wals of Babylon, should vponupon the apprehension of Gods pleasure therein, make speede to come forth of spirituall Gomorrha, and lay aside their superstitious and Frierly weede, which was the livery of him, who was mortall enemy to their Master Christ Iesus? if kGen. 39 12Ioseph were praise-worthy for leaving his owne garment behinde him, rather then to yeeld to any lewd action which might concerne manners, how are they to be honoured for leaving the Divels cloath, whē they might not enioy it, vnlesse they did prostitute both body & soule to idolatrous abominatiō? And whereas here you bestow your remembrance on Peter Mattyrs vvife, how blessed was shee living, and howe happy is her soule nowe, that shee shoulde in such sort bee exagitated for Christ his sake? Shee was neither flaps nor fustelugs, but a woman indeed of body reasonably corpulent, but of most matron-like modesty, for the which shee was much reverenced by the most: shee was of singular patience, of excellent artes and qualities, and among other things, for her recreation she delighted to cut plūmestones into curious faces and countenances, of which exceeding artificially done, I once had one with a womans visage and heade attire on the one side, and a Bishop with his miter on the other, which was the elegant worke of her hands. By diverse yet living in Oxford this good woman is remembred, and commended as for her other vertues, so for her liberality to the poore, which by Master lIn Histor. Eccl. Sub Maria Reg.Foxe writing how shee was entreated after her death is rightly mentioned. For louelove of true religion, and the company of her husband, shee left her owne countrey to come into England in K. Edwards daies, and so good was her fame here, that when the Papists in Q. Maries time being able to get nothing against her beeing dead, were yet desirous to wreske their teene vponupon her integrity, they would needes rage vponupon the bones of her, a woman and a stranger, and tooke them out of her graue from Christian buriall, and buryed them in a doung-hill.

Pascitur in vivis livor, post fata quiescit.

Envy doth vse on living folkes to gnawe:

But bee they dead, shee doth her selfe with-draw.

Yet this was their Romish charity and Popish humanity, which one wondring at, did recommende the remembraunce of it to these verses:

Foemineum sexum Romani semper amarunt:

Proijciunt corpus cur muliebre foras?

Hoc si in quaras, facilis responsio danda oft,

Corpor a non curant mortua, viva petunt.

The Popish crow hauehave evermore the female sexe embraced,

How is it that a womans corse they hauehave from graue displaced?

Thus if you aske, right readily mine answere may be this,

Their bodies deade they care not for, liue ones they clip and kisse.

T. HILL.

ANd surely I am greatly confirmed in the Catholike religion, beholding the Heavenly manner, vsed by the professours thereof in gayning souls to Almighty God, for that I see them neither to spare goods … labours, …o nor their owne liues, so that they may w… people to Heaven. Gregory the thirteenth Pope of that name in these our daies, spent all the reve…wes of the Popedome in founding Se…ies and Colledges i… diverse L…des and Provinces, thereby to restore the Catholiks religion.

G. ABBOT.

9 IT is not this which cōfirmeth you in Popery, but your discontented humour, your passionate credulity, and most of all, want of the grace of God, who leaving you to your selfe because you tooke delight in humane inventions, now suffreth you to striue to proue some body, in keeping vp the rotten & ruinous temple of Antichrist. For there is nothing named by you here, which should be forcible as to detaine you in your perversnes, since if those actes which you pretend, were grāted you, yet they are matters common with mis-creants, the Turks yearly sparing no cost, nor forbearing to adventure their liues in Hū gary, that they may repell the forces of the Christians, & farther propagate their Mahometane profession. And the māner which your men vse is not heavēly but earthly, since their care is more to bring in all whom they may gaine, to the Bishop of Rome, or the king of Spaine then to the …old of Iesus Christ. But this your asseveration you exemplifie first in Gregory the 13. who in the founding of Seminaties and Colledges in divers landes, spent all the revenewe of the Popedome. I hauehave tolde you before of your generall speeches without sence, reason and probability. Were you great Treasurer, or Maister of the Fisco in those daies, that you either knew his receipts or his expences? How did his Holynesse maintaine his estate, his family, his souldiours, his gard, his gallies, & those huge sūmes, wherat great Cōmanders are everie day? How did he send abroad his spies, and mainetaine discorde among Christian Princes? Did not his purse walke, thinke you? And since his own revenew was spent as you say, did he borrow, or go to best be trust for al the rest? A sober man would be ashamed, to thinke that such a speech should come frō a Doctour of Divinity. What, was it his rent for a mPapirius Masson in vita Greg. 13▪house in Bonony, which was left him by Bo…-Compagnon, his father, that bore al the rest of his charges? he much helped his poore …inred, as his brothers sonne, whō he made a Cardinal, & Philip his sisters son, & others, & this so plētifully, as that the author of the story in some words is constrained to Apologize him for it. And if it should be thought that the most of their prefermēts were in spiritual livings, yet what say you for his base sonne (no newes that with the Popes) Iames Bo…-Cōpagnon, whō he would cal nIbidem.his son according to the flesh? He made him Marquesse of Vineola not far Frō ferrara, & general of all his forces as wel horse as foote: he maried him to a daughter of the house of the Comtes of Saint Flora: he bought the towne Sora for him, and got the King of Spaine to intitle him Duke thereof; he purchased for him Arpmum the country of old Cicer…, & lefte him much wealth besides. And I pray you where had hee all his mony; but out of Saint Peters purse, and from the in-come of the Papacy? Yea, since warres be more costly then peace, where had he all the treasure, which he bestowed on the Italians; whom he sent into oImportāt considerat.Ireland (whereof few brought him any tidings backe againe) or on Stukley & his traine, & many other such good businesses? How do you bob your scholers, whē you give them such googeos? Truth it is that he spēt more in erectīg such houses, thē either his Predecessors or Successors have done. He who writeth the life of pCōcenat Eccl Cathol. in Angl…Cāpian, saith that he erected a Seminary at Rome for the English, & at Rhemes another, one at Lauretum for the Sclavoniās, one for the Germans at Rome, & another for the Greeks. qIn vita Gregor. 13.P…pirius Mass…s doth not leave him there, but saith that hee commaunded, that such houses also shoulde bee erected out of Italye, as one at Uienna vponupon Danubius, another at Vilva in Lituani…, a third at Claudiopolis in Transilvania, and in Iaponia neere …udia hee commanded three Colledges to bee built. But hee doth not tell vsus at whose charges these were erected, or what was given to maintaine them, And certainly they were for the most part but poore & starved things, such as whereof they themselues do make small boast. The glory of his actes was the maintenance of the English Colledg…, where at the first, he gave monethly at rApolog. cap. 3.Rome out of his treasury three hundred crownes, and one hundred to the other neerer England, as Persons reporteth, which arising at the vttermost by the yeare to no more then fifteene or sixteene hundred pound Englishe, it was but a small pull out of the Popes revenew. Yet how long this full pay lasted no body can tell. And we must take it to be so on Father Persons his bare word, who as one of the sIo. Colletons iust defence. pag. 298.Seculars reporteth, hath in that booke as many lies as leaves, or perhaps pages, if not so many as exceed either. Now who doth not know, that the tribute which the Curti…anes of Rome do yeerely yeeld to the Pope, by many degrees amoūteth that trifling sūme? And out of that honest pay he might wel spare a part, to maintaine such as would be his vassals, & do their best to helpe him in far greater matters. And their allowāce being extracted out of this sweet Impost, the speech of one of our coūtry-mē might the better be verified, which I cōfes was very bloūt, but you must take it as it is. He getteth it, quoth he by whores, & therefore hee may more boldly bestow it vponupon knaves. His zeale to his Prince & country which were disturbed by such Emissaries, made him speake more plainely then many will like.

11 But it is your favourable interpretation, when you construe Gregories meaning to be nothing but winning of people to heavē, & the restoring of religion. The Court of Rome hath an e…e to somewhat else besides this. It vvas not for naught that it vvas wont to be said, by a truer speech then verses Curia Romana non captat ovem sine lana.

In court of Rome doe not abide such geese

A sto catch after sheepe that have no fleece.

A great part of Christendome hath with-drawen it selfe from that see, and therefore somewhat must bee adventured to gette some parte of it backe againe. Nothing adventure, nothing hauehave, Gregorie was not so ignorant, but that hee knevve that rule of sComm… tar. lib. ….C…us, that great men must do good, & that to diverse, & if many be vnthankful, or some by in-ability can do nothing, yet it may fall out, that one may require all that cost, which hath bi… bestowed on the rest. If but one of those coūtries in Christēdōe, which are now freed frō the Pope, could be brought back againe by the help… of his Alūnes, that would pay for the charges of all the other. But England especially was a faire floure in the Popes garland, & therfore nothing must be left vnattēpted, to see what good might be done thervpō, Whē tOnuphr: in Iulio: 3:Iulius the 3. was advertised from Q. Mary, that England was by Parliament re-submitted to the Church of Rome, he made solemne Processions & publike thankesgivings throughout his whole chiefe city. The men who were cōming toward him, were somewhat to reioyce his old spirits, but the mony was more. What with the soules, & what with the silver which he devoured in his hope, he was exceedingly cō tēted. Their Records could tell thē, that Englād of all places was their garden like Paradise, that heere they had more worke thē in any one natiō in Christēdome, which may be seene by so many solemne Rescripts directed into this our country, and now to be foūd in the body of their Canōlaw. And they did not loose their labour by looking this way. It was busines to thē more gainfull, then the robbing of beggers. If uMatth. Par. in Henric. 3.three hūdred yeeres agone the Popes could say of Englād, Est …, It is a pitte that cannot be draw… dry, they cannot but imagine that now the world is well amended, some skrapes and fragments of the Indian gold and silver, being come amongst vsus also to amend our little store. This I tell you is a faire baite, to make Gregory the thirteenth, and Clemens the 8. also, to have a monethes minde vntounto vsus. You …ell vsus of another matter▪ but we doe not doubt of this. But God ever blesse vsus frō any more such bargains. And as the mā of Rome in maintaining of the English Colledges, may well be supposed to have longed after this our Realme, that heere he might exercise his spirituall Iurisdiction: so it is as easie to con…eave, and as probable to beleeve, that when Philip the second and this present King of Spaine have beene at that charge to keepe an Englishe Seminarie at Dovv…y, and a Colledge at Validolid, and other companies else-vvhere, and that vvith so large expence as to send two uApolog. cap▪ 3…thousād crownes at a time, they were not without hope, that the tēporall dominiō of this kingdome, might one day befall a Prince of Spanish blood. And this our fugitive Iesuites have beene ready to put into those Monarkes heades, assuring that the end of one Ladies raigne, would be the beginning of anothers. But he who sitteth in xPsal. 2. 4.heavē doth laugh their devises to scorne, he hath deluded their sooth sayings, frustrated the… yWeston. in Pe…oration.Prophecies, made their hopes in vaine, so that shame and confusion is on their face which as we trust, will humble them, & bring many of thē to discerne the truth. The Lord be praised for all his wonderous workes, and give vsus grace to be thankfull for thē. Notwithstanding in the meane while it is much to be feared, that the Pope and Spanish King finding themselues to be abused by lies and tales, and fond bragges of Persons and Cr…swel, & UUorthington and VVeston, and such other mates, and that in all worldly presumption they are farther from their expectation, then ever they were, will with-draw that exhibition wherwith hitherto they have charged themselves, and turne both our old and young maisters a grasing, to see if they can make any other shift, and with their Iesuitical facings beguile other Princes also. Perhaps for safegard of their owne honour, this shall not at first be done, least all men should say, that it was not for absolute devotion that they were at this expence: but before it be long wee will expect such newes. It may bee that God may vse this as a meanes to bring some of them to heaven.

T. HILL.

MAny holy and religious Priestes do goe daily into Germany, into Hungary, into Greece, into Palestina, into Aegypt, into Syria, into Aethiopia, into Africa, into Moscovia, into Ireland, into Scotland, into England, and into other hereticall and heathen countries, yeelding themselves to all daungers by sea and land, and to all vvorlali… miseries, having mortified all their carnall affections, renoūced all riches, honours and kinred, and having made themselues most ready for their grave, and consequently for another world, moved onelyonly by the zeale of saving soules. And it moveth me not a little to see what patience, mildnesse and quietnesse these men vse in all their doings.

G. ABBOT.

11 THat the men whom you send abroad are holy and religious, you must give vsus time to credit heereafter. but that many of them are simple men, & sent like zProv. 7. 22Salomōs foole blind-folded to the stocks, we easily beleeve. Your great craftie cōpanions such as Allen & Barret, & H…lt were, & as Gifford & Worthington now are, keepe themselves safe inough. It was but a copy of aConcert. Eccle. …athol. in Angl part. 2.Goldw…ll some times Bishop of S. Asaph, his countenance, that he would come backe hither. By that time he came to Rhemes his minde was altered: he was sicke forsooth, & he was too well knowen in England. Persons was once heere, but he thought longe ere he was gone. He would bApolog. cap. 12.excuse his running away, but the Seculars hould it inexcusable. It may well be seene what mind the olde foxes have to come hither, by that so many of them tooke their Degrees of Doctor-ship of Divinity, as that there were seaven of thē English in that one Colledge at Doway, (if a bird of their owne nest did report truth) within these five yeares. Whē these did hould themselves more exempt thē cōmon mē, frō the ordinary missiō, his cSept. 18. 159…. …o Collet. ust. Defe…ce. fol. …54.Holines was inforced to inhibite, that any more of thē should take that highest Degree in Divinity or lawe, but by speciall leave of Superiours, and on straight cōditions. And I would gladly learne of any man, what one of any worth hath now for these divers last years bin sent hither frō the Seminaries. Al the late cōmers (for ought that cā yet be discovered) are but simple fellows, howsoever they somtimes are magnified, by some of their owne party more vnlearned thē thēselues. Luscus dominatur inter cacos. But the true matter of their going abroade is this. VVhen they are admitted into the Seminaries, they are all bound by a positive othe or vow, that they shall be at the direction of their Superiours, to goe whither soever they shall imploy them, And this doth dAnolog. cap. 11.Persons boast to bee his devise, touching the English Seminaries at Rome and in Spaine. Heerevpon they take occasion to ridde them oft away, sending them not as sheepe but as wolves to the slaughter. If they be seditious, they have learned the precept of eDe legib. Dial. 5.Plato, for the purging of ill humours: they must away. If they see them sufficiently armed to do mischiefe, they must away. So must they doe if their maintenance growe shorte. And if there be nothing else, yet the sinke must be emtied, if not wholy yet some part, to make roome for more filth cōming. This sendeth the poore boy-Priests & other silie ones abroade: who being put to this exigent, make the best of it, & encourage one another in the hope of gaining soules to the Devil. But whē they come to places of dāger, blind bayard may be bold, but that sorte which hath more wit then grace, will make some shift for thēselves. Thē they may cōceale one part of a sentēce to thēselves, & speake the other falsely; then they may equivocate & speake doubtfully, yea thē if need be they make an vntrue othe, as being c…rū non Iudice. Thē some truly turne to our religiō, & save both bodie and soule. Other will counterfeite so much, & at the next occasion relapse to their vomite. Some vnderunder a colour of detecting much to the State, come into the chiefe magistrates, and open all that they can, and so they are the freer from dāger. Other being Prisoners sue to the LL, that they may be heard to excuse thēselves, & lay all the former treason on the Iesuites, & the partakers with the Arch-Priest. And the rest lye hid, more respecting their own safty, thē the charge of their Supe riours. Thus we are sure that here they do. As for Greece or Palesti na, Aegypt or Aethiopia & the other farther regiōs here named, few of thē go thither: & such as are imployed, doe only serve for spies, to vew the actiōs of great Princes & Stats in the world, so to inform the Spanyard, or other who much depēd, vpō him: wherby the Spanish King may take opportunity so to inlarge his dominiōs, or to enter new & cōmodious trafficke, or at least to defeat such forces, as are prepared against his Portingales in the East Indies. Hēce it is, that these Priests cōcealing their professiō, take the greatest care that they cā to learne the languages, or to make mappes of the coūtries. But where be those Turkes or Saracēs, or Ethiopiās, or Infidels, which may truly by thē be said to be wōne to the Christiā faith▪ I would heare of some one mā or woman of note indeed, brought by thē to the flocke of Christ Iesus. I know they talke much of the Easterne parts, but there the harvest may be laid into a little barne. In the daies of Gregory the 13. their great States-mā fPossev…. de rebu… Moscov ….P…ssevinus the Iesuit was imploied to cōvert vntounto the Romish beleefe, Ivan Uasilich, the Emperour of Russia, and his people of Moscovia. And indeede the Great Duke did listen to his mediation for peace betweene himselfe, and Stephen Batour King of Poland, who had then by warre a great hand vponupon the olde man: but not a man or women in Moscovy did there-vponupon embrace the Romane doctrine. And such are commonly the gaines which they make in other remote places, if matters be wel sifted. Now if it be so, that Priests do go to such countries as you intimat; what should they otherwise do? for to their own natiue soile many of thē dare not returne, as being fled thence perhaps for sl…gitious crimes: other hauehave there no maintenāce nor friends & so besids the dàger of the laws, they should be to al mē ridiculous & contēptible, who hauehave traveiled so farre & brought home with thē, I say not liuelyhood & ability, but no learning or good quality. And in the Seminaries they may no longer stay, but if they should refuse gApol…. 12Priest-hood, or offer to stay being cōmāded away, they would be held periured persons, & with cōtumely be turned out; & therfore I cannot blame thē, if they rather adventure any where vponupon vncertaine hope, thē run vpō certaine dā ger. If needs they must beg, they think it the more their credit to do it in far coūtries, then where they are known. And this if they should grumble, as whither they do or no, thēselues can best tell, to whom may they complaine, or who shall amende ought, since their penurious or hard harted superiors, ingeminate vntounto them the vow of obedience, & that is their amends.

12 But how some of these Priests & Iesuits hauehave mortified their affections & lusts, & cōposed thēselues to their graues, may bee iudged by their gallātnes in apparel, their gaming, their striving for place & superiority, their tos-pot…ing & other such behavior as hereafter I shal touch. Now let me rather see whither they hauehave renoūced al riches & h…nors or no? That our Seminarians come into Englād most poore, it is not to be doubted. Yet that some of thē here hauehave purles ful of gold, as hDec'arat. of popish Impost…es exam of Sar will.Dibdale & other, that some spēd many iSparing Discor. of Iesuites.hūdred pounds by the yeare, that some ride in their kIbidem.Coches vp & downe the country, is a matter confessed & not to be doubted vponupon. How many are the cousening & cunny-catching tricks, wherby they hauehave drawn out lQuod 3 10.thousands of pounds out of their ghostly childrens purses? Is it not avowed that mSparing Discovery.2200 poūds at one time was by thē sent over seas out of Englād? Nay are not the riches of the Iesuits so great, that warning hath bin given by one of their own religiō, that all christendōe had need to look to thē, lest they aspire to a nQuodli. 9. vbique.Monarchy here in Europe, as they hauehave done to the governmēt of sapona. And lest this speech may seem to be vttered without all ground, conceiue the infinite wealth of that society. It is too wel known to those who hauehave lately travailed, that the possessions of the Iesuits in some parts of Germany, but especially in Italy & Polonia are incomparably great, some thousāds of manours, townes & villages being theirs. What their wealth was in France may be iudged by this, that the credible report is, that at their last oQuod. 9. 7.expulsiō frō thence, they lost three millions at the least. In Spaine they hauehave what they wil almost. But their greatest benefit is, that vnderunder the king they hauehave free trafficke to the Indies to their inestimable gaine. How this may bee, you shall heare one of their English-Romanists briefly reporte. pThe 2. letter of A. C. fol. 20.The Iesuits in India do more thē cōpetent, respect their tēporal bo…te in that spiritual trafficke. And, with golde, pearle, spice & such like Indian wares, they every yeare frō thēce inrich copiously their society in Europe. If this yet do not satisfie, & you desire to heare more of Iapona, & that frō the mouth of another witnes, hauehave it then from a low Country-man reporting the travaile of some who went rounde the world. qAdditam. None par…s Americae.In Iaponia, of the Portingale, no man hath any authority or power besids the Iesuits, who do there exercise mar…hādising of al matters most ample. And these almost al are Portingales, who while they were in Iaponia did informe the greatest part of the nobles & people cōcerning the popish religiō, & when they had perswaded thē with divers dreames, they did so draw thē vntounto their side, that by these they are now esteemed & reverenced as in the place of litle Gods. These Iesuits also do diligently take heed, that no mōk of any other order be receiued into those lāds. So making thēselues Lords of all matters & men, they do there exercise most rich & most frequēted traffickings. Here thē is now the first credible relatiō that they hauehave won some to their popery; but whither these were wise people or no, to be thus circūvented, other men may iudge. In the meane time it is manifest that these Machiavilian & most earthly minded Friers, hauehave not renoūced al riches & honors, and as men mortified hauehave composed themselues to their graues. Which being true of these who pretend the highest state of perfection, what may we imagine of Secular Priests, the shevve of whose sanctity is contemptible in the eies of these Mounsieurs? This is a taste to you D. Hill of the truth of your asseverations, although I must acquaint you also, that if your Priests should do those externall things which you name, that is endaunger themselues, and leaue earthly commodities, yet this doth not warrant that their labouring is to winne men to Christs faith. No more then theirs was, who rMat 23. 15compassed sea and lande to make a Proselyte, and when hee was so made, hee was two-folde more the childe of hell then they themselues. sIob. ….Sathan himselfe doth compasse the world; but it is not to good purposes. As a s1. Pet. 5. 8.roaring Lyon he walketh aboute, seeking whom he may devour. The Foxe goeth farre from his denne, and adventureth his life also, if he should be caught, and yet his going is to destroy. The tAug. lib. …. con… C…escon Gram.Circumcellian heretikes not for truth but for their fancy, 'parted with al things that this world might yeeld them, yea with life it selfe. u1 King. 1… 2…. ….Baals Prophets did to the vttermost, hazard themselues for Baall. The uEus. Eccl. Hustor. 8. 20Marcionites had their Martyrs, and so also had the xSocr. 4. 27Arrians, who lost their liues. But it is not what a man suffereth, but the cause wherefore he suffereth, that maketh him acceptable to God.

T. HILL.

ANd I see also on the other side, that no Protestant ever had so great zeale of his religion, as that hee woulde for spreading abroade the same, forg… any vvor…ly commoditie, either by founding Seminaries, or Colledges in Countreys, or by going or sending where any difficulty or danger was, but as one wholely respecting this vvorlde, hee vva…ovveth in vvealth, and pleasures at home, or if by any accident hee bee compelled, to flye into forraine Countreyes, hee maye not travaile excepte his prettye par…ll goeth vvith him: but such a one to goe simplye, and as they saye bona fide to convert others vvas yet never ….

G. ABROT.

13 You wil tell vsus anone, that the children of this yLuk. 16 18world are wiser in their generatiō then the childrē of light. And this wee knew before; as also that you are more diligent to doe evill, then many of vsus are to doe good. But the Protestants hauehave a vocation, and keepe themselues in their watches, where God hath placed every one of them, and doe not stirre from it, but when as by the godly Magistrate they are imployed. They are not assured that to leaue their owne charge, and leade a Circumcellian life without speciall appointment is acceptable vntounto God. Antiochus indeede being striken by Gods hande, is reported to professe that he z2. Ma…hab 9. 17.would become a …ew himselfe, & goe through all the worlde that was inhabited, and preach the power of God. But wee propose not to our selues the example of Antiochus. But the Apostles did so. And had they not a aMatth. 28. 19.commission so to doe… Yet might they not goe till they had that Commission: and sometimes they were restrained by the spirit of the Lorde, from bAct. 16. 6. 7such and such places. Yea and the calling of the Apostles is ceased. Doe you read that Saint Ambrose, or Saint Austen, or the old fathers in the Primitiue Church, did take any such course? And whereas Gregory sent some into England, it was vponupon a speciall occasion. cEccle. hist. lib, 1. 23.Bede saith that Gregory was warned there-vntounto by an instinct from God. Indeede it is probable, that dCap 26.Berta wife to King Edilbert then of Kent, had secretly a finger in that busines: for shee being of the French nation was a Christian woman before, and would not condescend to be marryed to Edilbert, but on condition that shee might without impeachment retaine her religion, and a Bishop which shee brought with her for that purpose. It may wel be supposed that her French friends being nere to Italy, or her selfe might sollicite that affaire. But whereas you say, that never any of our faith did leaue his pleasures at home, & adventure abroade, the Proverbe M…dacom op…rtet esse memorem, Alyar had neede of a good memorie hath seized vponupon you: for in this very Chapter you mention the sending of Ministers abroade, by the advise of Iohn Calvine, which was amonge the eLerij Navigat in Brasil.T…pinambaliij in Brasilia, such a iourney every way considered, as never Frier or Iesuite vndertooke a more dangerous, as is evident by the extreme famine endured in their returne, besides the vexation and perils sustained there. And if French-men had beene planted in fExpeditio in Floridā.Florida, there had of likely-hood gone many more. But there the purpose of many Frēch was to have resided, had not the murtherours and massacring cruelty of the Spanyards hindered it, they contrary to their owne word and honor, cutting the throats of all whō they could lay hould vpō. Yea & if it had pleased God, to have prospered our English gSee Hacluits viagesColonies in Virginia, there would not hauehave bin wāting mē of the Ministery, to have advētured & spēt their lives there: & so it may be said for any other place, where God shall dispose the heartes of our Prince & coūtry, to thinke fit, that they probablie may honour the Almighty. And wheras you speake of charges to advaūce true Religiō you needed to have gone no farther then to your owne late Soveraigne, who with the assistāce of her peoples purses, did for the true plāting of the service of God, spend more treasure in Irelād alone, & that without any assurāce or likly-hood of recō pēce againe (which the Spāyard ever stood vpō in his Indies) thē al your late Popes, & Popish Princes hauehave done in sēding abroad their Agēs. And had it not bin Gods glory alone, & the honorable mind of a Christiā Queene, who desired to blesse & not to spill that which was cōmitted vntounto her, her Highnes might with lesse charge, daunger, and trouble, have desolated the country of the auncient inhabitants, and peopled it with English, beginning with the Sea-coastes, and going forward into the In-land, wherof your Catholike Kinges of Spaine would peradventure have made no bones, as is evident by their proceedings in America▪ but a true regard of Christianity, and a minde to deale regally in that as in all other matters, induced her Maiestie to waste an inestimable deale of goulde and silver, besides the losse of men; and all this to bring that rough and vntractable people into the sheepefolde of Christ Iesus, if possibly that might be. And albeit the times and present occasions were such, that by necessitie the expence of her Highnesse, was rather imployed vponupon Souldiours, thē on Seminaries & Colledges, yet the resolutiō of her as of a most Christiā Princesse was illustrious that way, whē beyond the consultations and advises of all her Graces most noble Progenitours, yea beyond the opinion of Stephen Gardiner himselfe, as L. Chancellour and a Privy councellour, (howsoever as a Bishop he was otherwise minded) shee was pleased to graunt vntounto that nation, that at Dubline they should have an Vniversity where one Colledge long since was erected, & before this time more might have beene but for the warres. And if all this had bin done by her Maiesties charge, yet howe small would that have beene, in comparison of those masses of treasure, which in warlike service have beene within these fewe yeares expended.

14 Your scoffe of Prety Parnel, and many such more we must beare. But if it bee true, that never any Protestant went about such a worke, as the planting of the faith, how do you knowe that they would not goe without their wives in their company? your tale is tyed togither with points. But is it such a sinne, that men going from their countrey, even about the Lords busines, should take those with thē, whō God hath ioined as their perpetual yokfelowes, to cōfort each other in sicknes & in health? It was wont to be that hMarc. 10. 9what God had coupled togither, no mā s… seperate, Wold you have vsed this speech against i1. Cor. 9. 5.S^t. Peter, & the brethrē of the Lord, & the rest of the Apostles, that they could not goe vp and downe to preach the word, & spread the faith, without their prety Parnels? And yet you know, or may know if you be not grossely ignorāt, that these led women about with them in their ordinary ministratiō. And is it not more probable that these were wives of their own, thē any other wemē? kLibr. de Monogamia.Tertulliā indeede is of opinion that they were not their wives, but ministra, other wemē to attend thē, as to wash their feet, or their clothes; notwithstāding others do otherwise interpret the place. I wil not now dispute this since al is one in respect of this persēt purpose. But how say you vntounto Aquila, & Priscilla his wife, who first came, togither frō Rome to lAct. 18. …. 18.Corīth, & thē frō Corīth to Ephesus, which were prety iourneies if you have any skil in Geography, & this later viage also was in S. Paules cōpany, who thought hīselfe not the worse, that he had a vertuous woman to go a long with him. And if you reade the s…rie, this mVerse 26.Priscilla by her knowledg in the scriptures, did further the conversion of Apollos, to the immediate beleeving vponupon Christ. For which respects the company of other women, vvho are of approved fame, is not vnprofitable, when men goe aboute the winning of soules; since they in private and with their owne sexe, may be potent. And wee doubt not but many of them in their places doe God very good service, his mercy accepting of their obedience and faith, as well as of that in men; whereof besides a thousande other, this may be one argument, that our blessed Saviour himselfe, in his ter-sacred and immaculate affection, fancying (as I may say) some more then other, with an extraordinary humane kindnesse, is reported by the Evangelist to hauehave loved in that sort but fowre, whereof two were men, & two were women: the disciple nIoh. 13. 23.whom Iesus loved, and Iesus oCap. 11. 5loved Martha, and her sister Mary, and Lazarus. Your scorne therefore against woman-kinde, may be returned vponupon your selues, who rather louelove to commit sinne cantè, then in honest marriage to liue castè; and there-vponupon some of you like travailers, do make bolde rather where you come, then be at any further trouble, as that pMat. Paris in Henr. 1.Cardinall of yours did, who in Englande did all the day in a Synode inveigh against the marriages of Priestes, and at night vvas taken himselfe in bed with a strumpet. How doe your younger & youthfuller fry make bolde with their neighbours, when your graue auncient Cardinals doe shewe themselues so carnall? And heere I pray you take knowledge, that for a little while I doe favour you.

T. HILL.

AND if by any occasion offered vntounto such, they goe about to plant their Gospell any vvhere, they doe it in such a turbulent and … manner, and … by Epistles after Saint Paules vse, but by Pistole as Beza did, as every one may see what spirite pricketh them foreward.

G. ABBOT.

15 THat the doctrine of the Gospell shoulde by Sathans servantes bee reputed turbulent and mutinous, is no newes. Some saide that they founde Saint Paule a qAct. 24 5pestilent fellovve, and a moover of sedition, among all the Iewes throughout the world, and yet good Sir, I pray you, do not you beleeue that accusatiō against him. And no truer is this slaū derous Calumniation against vsus, who teach all Christian duetye to Princes and Magistrates, and that for rRom: 13. 5conscience sake. But Calvine and Beza, as appeareth by their writings, and diverse of our English men, as may bee seene to the everlasting infamie of you and yours, by the letters of the Martyrs in Master Foxes great volume, hauehave planted and watred & confirmed the faith, by very learned and godly Epistles, imitating therein not onelyonly Saint Paule, but diverse other of the Apostles, and Saint Ambrose, and Saint Austen, with many moe the greatest lights in the ancient Primitive Church. Their bookes speake to your shame, & to their owne everlasting praise; since as by preaching and verbal exhortation, they shewed themselues instant in s2. Tim 4. 2season and out of season, so by their writings of all sortes, and among other by their Epistles, they omitted no duty, which might appertain to the Ministers of Christ. And this is it, which maketh the Romish Synagogue so much to s…arle at them. But this word of Epistles, as a flaze of your Rhetorike is heere put, but to bring in your tale of Pistoles, wherewith falsely you doe labour to defame M. Beza. Campian telleth vsus your meaning, when hee saith, sRation 8A notorious cut threate, being full of Beza, shoting off a Pistole secretly did kill that French Noble man the Duke of Guize, being a Prince of admirable vertue: then which fact our vvorld in our age hath seene nothing more deadely, nothing more dolefull. The Iesuite had quite forgot the Mossacre tCommentar: Relig: & Reip: in Gallia: l: 10.at Paris at Bartholomew-tide 1572. when at the mariage of a king to the daughter & sister of a King, so many thousands of Noble men and meaner persons, assembled thither vpō the fidelity of a king, were slaine in their beddes, or in their owne or their friendes lodgings. That was it whereof Campian with those words should hauehave spokē. But his malice rather served him, and fitter it was for his purpose, falsly to accuse that Reverende man Theodore Beza, that he had perswaded Poltrot to kill the Guize at the seege of Oreleans. We allow not of the deed, but vtterly condemne the fact: & there was never learned man of our party, who defended it or excused it. The malefactour also received condigne punishment for his labour. Indeede the uIbid. lib. 6. & 7.Guizes after the death of their father, did publikely giuegive out, that the Admirall and one other noble man had hyred Poltrot ther-vntounto, and that Beza had approved the deed; but when the admiral heard of it, he knowing it to be a malicious slaunder, did by publike writing require, that according to the lawes of Iustice, Poltrot who was reported to hauehave said so much in his torture, might be kept aliue, that he might come face to face to iustifie himselfe: but this was denied, and Poltrot in all hast was executed. But when the rumour still cōtinued, that the Admirall was touchable with the fact, he putteth forth an honorable declaration, & Protestation of his innocency therein, which was so apparantly true, that the king at Molune in Bourbon, did by opē sentence cleere him, and acquite him of that vniust imputation. Now the maine fact being avoided, Beza proveth to bee innocent; since by his most desperate enemies he was never thought to be more then an accessary, by allowing it at the instance of the Admiral, wheras in truth he spake not with Poltrot, but was more then an hundred miles of from him. And yet, notwithstanding that all this is as evident as the Sunne, good Doctor Hil, doe you keepe the lie going, and let it not die in your hands.

16 But if we shall rightly scanne who they be, whom an ill spirit in this case pricketh forewarde, let vsus remember the practise of the Papacy in this behalfe. Was it not the uIbid. li. 10.younger Guize, as holy a Catholike as his Father, who suborned one to shoote the Admirall with a Pistole, at the cruell Battlemewtide in Paris? And when that wounde proved not to be mortall, did not he in person come to his lodging at midnight, & send vp cut-throates to murther him? VVas it not the Popish crewe, (wherein by greate probability King Philip himselfe, and the Duke of Parma also had a finger) who first procured xDinoth. de bel. civil. Belgie. li. 5.lauregny to shoote the Prince of Orenge with a Dagge, and some yeares afterward Balthazar with the like weapon to kill him? If ought could be saide for these things, yet what can be answered for the death, of K. yMeterran. Hist lib. 5.Henry the 3. of France, one of your own religion, who was stabbed by the Frier? And this fact was not only liked of by infinite numbers of Papists in France, yea and as it should seeme zSee the Franc. discoursedefended also by publike preaching and writing, but it was allowed of by the Pope and his Cardinals: bone-fires and processions vvere made for it at Rome, yea Sixtus Quintus made a solemne publike Oration, in gratulatiō of the good event, aDe interdicto Regn Franciae. edit. Francosurti. Anno. 1591pronoūcing that Clement the Iacobine who perpetrated that vilany, was worthy not only to be reputed a Martyr, but to be reckoned a Saint. All the Papists in the world name the example of such a deede attēpted, or atchieved by the Protestāts, yea or that which may come nere it by 1000. degrees. And was there not in like sort an intendmēt of bIesuit Catech li. 3. 6.Barriere, for the slaughtering of the present K. Henry the 4. which was a second time put in practise by cCap. 8.Chastel a scholer of the Iesuits, who assaulted & somewhat hurt the same King? For this cause by an Arrest of the Parliament of Paris, there was made a decree against the Iesuits, banishing thē out of Fraunce, as also before the pallace in that Imperial City, a dCap. 20.Pyramis was erected, which containeth a narratiō of the same. This Edict was ratified by the highest court of France, which yet notwithstanding consisteth most of Papists: & the force of the Edict standeth yet vpright, albeit besides infinite other meanes, eLa Saincte Messe declar. In praefat. ad Regem.Richeome the Iesuit hath made such a flattering & clawing petitiō, to the king in behalfe of his Society, & hath to win her favor also, fTableaux Sacrez des figures mystiques.presēted & dedicated a braue baby book of the Masse, to the Q. Mary de Medices now Regnant, that her Highnes withal honorable favour would secōd their request. Cā English mē forget that, which in the name of his holines, was by the gDiffer between christiā subiect. D. Bilson part. 3Cardinal of Como signified to D. Parry by letter; that to kil our late Soveraign, a womā & a Princes, was not only lawful, but had his merit in heavē? & cā it be out of memory that hMeterran lib. 13.Babingtō & the rest of the resolute Gētlemē should violētly hauehave slain her, but that god did divert it, & her Honorab. Coūsel did discover it? & who was the chief leader here but iAnswer to the Manifestat. cap. 3.Ballard a Priest: & Recusāts must be the Actors. You know we could tell you of more English thus Italionated, and so growne according to the Proverbe, Divels incarnated, who hauehave attēpted other such lewdenesses. All this while then you have great reason to talke of Beza his Pistoles, a matter wherein is no ground of truth, when as some of your kLa verite defend vide …. disc.bookes do directly tende that way, and many of the vndoubted actions of diverse of your side, doe testifie that you and not we, are the onelyonly Prince-murtherers, and traiterous King-assaulters that bee or ever were in the world: which I would have vnderstood of the Jesuited factiō. The Lord deliver our present Soveraigne from you, as frequently & in miraculous manner, hee preserved his late gracious hand-maiden Elizabeth.

T. HILL.

NEither doe they take any other course in their proceedings, but to destroy States & kingdomes, & to displace lawfull Monarchies and Magistrates, as the lowe-Countries, Germany and Scotland can sufficiently witnes, and ever then beginning is of pride and envy as Luthers was: or by abusing themselves in their former estate, as Sir Iohn Calvine did, or by yeelding themselves slaues to ambition as they did in Scotland, or by following Lust and Lechery, or of some such like brutish occasion, and never indeede vponupon any ground, vsing their religion onelyonly as a serveturne, whē other meanes faile to atcheeve their vnlawfull desires.

G. ABBOT.

17 IN this Chapter you continue so like your selfe, that a mā should bee behoulding to you, if you would speake but one true word. The Reader perhaps will wonder that I take such paines with you, to lay you so plainely open: but if I could tell howe, I would purge you of that lPs. 140 3.poison of Adders, which is vnderunder your lippes. At least I would let both your friēds & strangers see, what a mā of your word you are. But it is fit that Papistes should be such as write they care not what. Good Sir I pray you what State or kingdome hath bin overthrowen by vsus? you may see if you please, that Fraunce hath bin kepte vp by the aide of England, the Germane Princes and Switzers: that when King mMeterrā. Histor: l: 14:Henry the 3. was like to be beatē out of his king …ome, by the Guizes Barricadoes at Paris, & by the vile cōbination of the vnholy League, the King thē of Navarre, & the Protestāts were the only men, to whō safely he might fly for succour. And if the King that now is would declare his own mind, he must acknowledge that the safety of his Realme & Person, doth not least of all depend on the fidelity, circumspection & vigilancy of h…s Hugvenots. The kingdome of Denmarke was never so potent, nor so orderly governed, as it is at this day, since religion there flourished. Since the Gospell hath had free course heere, England may truly be said for felicity & all humane happines, to be the peerelesse paragone of the whole world. At the moderation of superiours; at the obedience of inferiours; that the people every way are foūd so nIud. 5. …. 9.willing, stand amazed al you fugitiues, & ill-willers to your countrie. And especially, that when you though that at the death of your late Prince, you should have had your long ex pected lubilee, & all this …and should hauehave beene as the field … bloud, stand agast to heare how with vniformity of hart & … ▪ all the good subiects of this land did conioyne to expr… … ioy, that they might have such a Lord & Governo…r, as now by cods mercy they enioy. They were not glad that they we… qu…t of one, that so they might live in an Anarchy or tumultuous cō fused State, but it was their vnspeakeable comfort, that since the blessed God had takē vntounto him, her who was their most gracious Lady, he had another in store, whō they might serve in peace, & follow in warre, & frō the bottome of their harts pray for in both. So hath the word of God seasoned the harts of old & yong amōg v…, with true subiectiō & Christian obsequiousnes to the higher power. Now for Germany, when was it in the Electours & other Princes more flourishing, thē of late? Whē were the governmēts of the Pals-grave, Duke of Saxony, Laurgrave of Hasse, & others of the religiō, more in riches or setled trāquillity thē now? And if the Empire it selfe be weakened & the strength therof be pulled on the knees that is not the fault of the Gospell there professed: for that errour was longe since runne into, by oHa…lan. Histo…. l. 15.Charles King of Bohemia and Emperour, who to get the Empire to his sonne, released to the Electours and Princes, the tributes & other revenewes Imperiall: And when they had once tasted the sweetnes therof, they would never part with it againe. Scotland was never more prosperous, in deeper peace, & surer trafficke thē it is at this day. And if heretofore there have bin any tumultuous, it was the fault of some humorous persons, and not of Religion, as may appeare by the cōparing of that time with this, when neverthelesse now the same doctrine is there professed. The Cantons of Suitzerland & the Protestants about thē, do all well maintaine their States & governments: And the Vnited Provinces doe make a prety shift to keepe that which they had: & it wholy seemeth to be in such a cōplete order, that the King of Spaine knoweth not wel what to make of it. Then certainly al States and kingdomes be not quite destroyed by vsus, but those countries which harbour the Gospell, live in as good reputatiō as other their poore neighbours do by them.

18 But somewhat els there is in it. The low Coūtries have shoken of the yoke of the Spanyards service. Some of them indeede have, but so many of their pApolog. Prin…p. Aur…. Vid… …ter. lib 1 & Dino…h lib. 1.Apologies and other Defences published to the Christian world, shew that it was not hastely & vnadvisedly done. They have let it be vnderstood, that the Duke of Burgūdies government over them, was not so absolute as the power of other cōfining Princes is over their Subiects. That there is a very great reciprocal duty of his parte toward them, even by the Positive Orders of their coūtry. That their first submission of themselues to their Dukes then being French, and afterward to the house of Austria, was ever on that cōdition sworne vntounto, that the… Privileges should be kept. Among them those which are the liberties of Brabant, are the cheefe. Now as these Hollanders say for thēselves, whē King Philip the 2. tooke that harsh coūsaile, to govern thē by Strāgers, to over-rūne thē by his Spaniards, to brīg in the Inquisitiō, to behead their Nobles, & burn vp their people, to erect new Bishopricks for a bloudy purpose, & in a word without …bling or cōsul…g the Stats, to alter by the sword the whol face of those Provinces, they sēt oft to the Court in Spaine, they vsed …nfinite supplications which would not be heard, intercessions of neighbour Princes, many pawses and sta…es & hopes, & at last being driven by extreme necessitie they proceeded farther, even proclaiming that he had lost the Interest which formerly he had over them. Nothing made them so averse, as their vnderstanding by a qMeterr: lib: 2:letter intercepted, that there was a proiect in the King, to vse diverse of their Nobles well at first▪ and afterward to destroy thē. This letter was writen from Fran…cus Alava Embassadour for the K. in Fraunce, to the Lady Governes the Duchesse of Parma. But when all this is said, your Papists were every way Actours in this, as farre as any other: they did ioyne with the rest, and were most forward for the maintenance of their Privileges. And this so farre appeared, that they iointly would have submitted all to rMeter: l: 12▪Henry the 3. of Fraūce, a Prince of the Romish religiō, which in very deede formerly they had done to sLib: 10:Mounsieur the Duke of Alansō, choosing him to be their Duke of Brabāt, when he gave no other signification, but in his faith to be Popish. Yea the case of these Low-coūtry-mē seemed to mē of al sortes so iust & reasonable, that first sLib: 8:Mathias, and afterward tLibr: 17:Ernestus Archdukes both of Austria, both kins-mē & of bloud to King Philip, & both of the Romane faith did come personally into those parts, and were Governours of the forces of those vnited Provinces, which in the eies of every indifferēt mā doth leaue a strōg impressiō, that the dealing of the Spanyard was more discōmēdable toward thē, thē theirs was toward hī. And I do verily beleeve, that if matters were now fresh to begin, the King Catholike who now is, & his very wise & sage councel, would be wel advised, before that they would vndertake any courses so apparātly offensiue to the whol body of that people. Notwithstādīg I do leave this whol questiō of the Low-coūtries, to the vnderstāding & cōsideration of the wise, & to that which time shal farther discover. The rising of the uSleidan: Comment: Lib: 4: & 5:Cōmōs in Germany, was not caused by Religiō; for those of greatest fame who professed the religiō, as Luther namely, did disswade them from it, and wrote against them: but it was such a mutiny as sometimes Subiectes make in other Nations, and the like whereof of late the olde uPeda: de historias.King of Spaine had in Arragon, and so had England in the daies of Kinge Richard the second by Iacke Stravve, VVat Tiler and other such noble companions; and another such in the raigne of King Edward the sixt. Of such insurrections vvhat opinion vvee have, may partely bee seene by that treatise of Sir Iohn Cheeke, The true subiect to the Rebell, & partly by our preachings & writings since. We dislike it, we detest it, we condemne it, we pronounce it to be Rebelliō. In the stirres which were in Scotland there is no doubt but there were many errour… on both sides. If the ambition of some, whither in Parliamēt or otherwise, or the disorderly tumult of some multitudes did sway to farre, let thē be are their owne blame. But this did not overthrow the kingdom: no we know that it stādeth to this day in great glory, albeit perhaps that be not wholy to be ascribed vntounto thē, who in their chāges did as much looke to seeming ciuil pollicy, as to the veritable & approovable rules of religiō. We doe not hold it to be the power or pleasure of the Subiects, to depose their lawful & obsolute Princes. By God xProv. 8. 15.Kings do raigne: he it is who setteth thē vp, & he it is who must pul thē downe. If they grow to be tyrants, yet as tempests, invndations and other plagues sent from aboue, they are to be endured. The more wicked a body was Rob. Persons, who in his booke of yDoleman Lib. 1.Succession would subiect the royal throne to the vulgars discretion, of whom I say no more in that point, since a zH…ywar. answ. to Dole:learned man hath tendred an answere to those disputations. OnelyOnly prety it it to see how the author excuseth himselfe, for vsing another mans name in that worke. He calleth himselfe Doleman, as alluding to that a…sa 53. 3.Uir bManifest: cap. 4.dolorum mentioned by the Prophet. So Dole shall bee as Latin, and man shall be as English, a very handsome coniunction. So that shall by Persons be arrogated, to himselfe a wicked miscreant, which is peculiarly spoken of Christ the blessed sonne of God. So we must beleeve him, that he did not know that there was any Priest whose name was Doleman. What will not this man say or vn-say for his advantage? And how grosse doth he iudge all the world to bee, when he would flappe the Readers in the mouth, with such absurde and sencelesse tales as this is. If he will needs …ve vir dolorū to intimate him, let him take it frō dolus, doli, and not from dolor doloris, and so he may rightly bee tearmed, vir dolorum, or dolosus a deceitfull man, which appellation hee rightlie did sit to himselfe.

19 When you have alleaged these examples of different kinds and different iudgments, you little remēber what Papistes do in such cases, When after the conference at Poissy, the cAn. 8561. Comment. Relig. & Reip. in Gall. Lib. 3:Edict of Ianuary had (vponupon some conditions and restraint in circumstances) permitted libertie of religion in Fraunce, did not the olde Duke of Guize being then combined with the Constable and the Marshal of Saint Andrewes (without ground or title, but only to advaunce the Popish cause) with dLib. 4.drawne swords set vponupon the Protestants assembled at a Sermon at Vassy, and slew many of them, which afterward cast all Fraunce into a civill warre? In the time of King Henry the 8. the eIo Fox & Holinsh in … Henr. 8.Yorkeshire and Lincolneshire men being incited therevnto by the Popish Priestes, did rise vp in armes to recover, or retaine their Romish superstitions. VVhat was the cause of the last fAn. 1569.insurrection in the North, but to expel the Religion nowe established? It is confessed by him who gIn Cōcer. ta…. Eccles. Catholic. in Anglia.wrote the life of Thomas Earle of Northumberland, that he rose onelyonly in the Pseudo-Catholike cause, being animated thervnto by the Popes Bull of Excommunication, and therefore he is there reputed a Martyr, and so called, whereas all men know that hee dyed for open Rebellion. And if in this case the whole world otherwise should be silent, yet the insurrection of the Irish in those late yeares, for and in behalfe of Popery, as also the comming thither of so many Priestes, and their stickling in that businesse, besides the aide … nomine sente in by the Spanish Kinge, vvould sufficiently demonstrate it. So when that you saide that this was the manner of the Protestantes proceedinges, to plante their Gospell in turbulent sorte, you should have saide Papists, and then you had spoken truely. The rest vvhichwhich you heere adde, containeth vaine vvordes, and that vvhichwhich is nothing material. That vvhichwhich first gave light to Luther, vvas the horrible profanation of the merites of Christes bloud, by setting pardons at sale, and the horrour of his conscience to see Religion in that sorte to bee abused, for gaine to Leo the tenth and his kinred. And against whome should hee bee proude or envious? Against hSleidan. lib. 13.Tecelius for sooth and ignoraunt and impudent Frier, who gave such immoderate commendations of his Indulgences, as that if a man had defloured the Virgin Marie, and begotten her with childe, yet for mony he could pardon it. Was this man to be envied? or rather to be pitied? or rather to be punished? or rather to be crucified with some irregular torture? It is a most poore and base slander, to report that Luther was offended, because the sale of the Indulgences was permitted to the other, and not to him. He who looketh vponupon the iCentu. 16. An. 1517.95. Propositions, which even vponupon the instant he propounded to be disputed vponupon, in the Schooles at Wittēberge against Pardons, cannot but see that he had song disliked the vsage of that marchandise, and all the circumstances belōging thervnto. He may easily discerne that his very heart & soul was moved against the matter, & not against Persons only. The abuse of those Indulgēces was so fowle, that kHist. lib. 13Francis Guicciardine a Papist himselfe doth much dislike it. How Calvin did ill order his life, neither you nor any of your crew can truely report. I know you hauehave a grosse slaunder spread of him by a lewd companion, contrary to all shew of verity, which when you lSee the 5. Reason.farther touch, you shal hauehave farther answered. Of whom you speak in Scotland, you cannot tell your selfe: and therfore I know not for whom to answer. If any being stirred by ambition did amisse, we hold it a fault as wel as you do: but if any did well, and it bee but your conceit that he did it for vaine-glory, the error is yours for iudging so rashly. As for lust, leachery and brutish behaviour, doe not you suspect, but I shall largely proue them to be rather in your men then in vsus. In the meane while concerning those who hauehave beene spreaders of our Religion, it is as much when they are charged with evill things, that mQuintil. Lib 5. 12.Aemilius Scaurus negat as that Quintius Uarius ait, that one doth deny, as that another doth affirme. And for the ground on which they stoode, it was and is such, that none of you can shake it, no nor the nMat 16. 18gates of hell any way prevaile against it. It is built vponupon the oCap 7. 25rocke, and therefore fret you, and rage you while you will, it cannot be overthrowne. And whereas you say, that they vse their religion but for a serue-turne, to compasse evill practises, you are fowly besides the marke. For they questionlesse were in earnest, & would not otherwise hauehave left country and friends, and all earthly preferment for their conscience sake, yea their very hues, as thousands of them hauehave done, within these hundred or two hundred yeares. Yea many of great iudgement hauehave come from you, as he whom D. pCalvino-Turcism. li. 1. 5.Gifford calleth Cardinall Vergerius, but indeede was but like to hauehave beene Cardinall, for being without a cause somewhat suspected of Lutheranisme, hee to qSlcid. l. 21purge himselfe thereof taketh penne in hand to write against Luther; where labouring about the point of Iustification, hee had his eies opened to behold the verity, and embraced true Religion, although hee lost his Cardinality for his labour. There might many other bee named, who by choosing want and imprisonment, and al worldly miseries, for the doctrine which wee professe, did shewe that what they did, was to serue no earthly turne, but to saue their soules, and in that they were in very good earnest. These are idle obiections without matter or authority.

T. HILL.

IT is plaine therefore in my iudgement, that the Catholikes are they, who ever fished simply and sincerely with Saint Peters net, and therein hauehave inclased miraculous multitudes of fishes, and that the Protestants by their extraordinary and late angling hauehave caught …ore, but such as were in a better and more sound manner taken before. And although Freculphus writeth that the Arrian heretikes converted the whole nation In Chron: tom. 2 lib. 4. cap. 20. Socrat. li. 4: cap. 27. Sozom. l 6. cap. 37. Theod. l. 4. cap. vlt.of the Gothes from Paganisme to the faith, in the time of Ualens the Emperour: yet it appeareth by Socrates, Sozomenus & Theodoretus, that the greatest part of those Gothes were Catholike Christian, before, & afterward seduced by the Arrians: for Heretikes cannot possibly convert any to such faith, as may make the cōverted better then they were before.

G. ABBOT.

When you say It is plaine in your iudgment, it is the wisest word that you wrote a great while: for your iudgmēt is a very weake one, as by that which is gone before, & that which followeth after, hath and will appeare. If Catholikes be they who fish with Saint Peters net, what is that to you, who are not the one, and doe not the other? You are heretikes, fallen from the sinceritie of Christes faith to humane fables, and your fishing is not like Saint Peters to rLuk: 5: 101catch men to GOD, but to his Arche-enemye at Rome. And vvhat store you hauehave taken with your Babylonish baites, will in your next Reason appear. Now whither the Protestants hauehave caught any or none, let whole Christendome iudge: nay the power and revenew of your Pope so much diminished, will speake if all be silent. But whither they were in better case before, or no, Christ shall pronounce at the day of the generall resurrection, and his word in the meane time shall determine. They who hauehave felte the servile yoke of your superstitions and inventions, and nowe do truely taste the sweete promises of the Gospell, will not leaue their passage to Canaan, and turne backe into your Egypt, to gaine all the world by the bargaine. We can never yeeld sufficient praises vntounto God, who of his mercy hath freely vouchsafed vsus that favour, which he hath not afforded to many other. And wee desire to stande sGalat. 5. 1.fast in the liberty, wherewith Christ hath made vsus free. Heere you are a happy man that you chaunced to hit vponupon the story of the Arrians, for now you cite vsus something, wheras for three whole leaues together, we hauehave had neither text of Scripture, nor authority of any divine or humane writer…, but only your bare word, and that is worth but a little. Well, Freculphus saith that the Arrians converted the whole Nation of the Gothes, in the daies of the Emperour Valens, from paganisme to the faith. But there bee three Ecclesiasticall historiens vvho seeme to crosse that. Let vsus heare them speake. sSocr. 4. 27Socrates saith, that vnderunder Valens, or in his time many of the Gothes received the Christian faith, and he addeth that to please the Emperour, they addicted themselues to the Arrian sect. Here then there is nothing which hindereth, but that many of them might be new converted at the very first by those heretikes. tTheod. 4: 32.Theodoret indeede hath it, that being formerly converted to Christ, and beleeving aright, yet when they were enforced to seeke friendship at the hand of Valens, by the instigation of Eudoxius a great Arrian neere about him, they were swayed by the Emperour to entertaine the Arrian heresie. And Vlphilas their owne Bishop was a maine forwarder thereof. … Sozomen for the most part accordeth … So…. 6: 37.with this, that is to say, that Vlphilas who before had been a means to bring them to the Christian faith, was afterward won over to be an Arrian, and by his incitement, as also to satisfie Valens, the Gothes became of that beleefe.

21 But the errour whereinto these writers did run, partly by living so far of, and partly for lacke of distinct knowledge, howe many divers people of the Gothes there were, whom they, (especially the two later writers Theodoret and Sozomen) do cō found and put togither, is explicated by Iornandes, who of purpose writeth a uIornandes de rebus Geticis.story of the Gothes, and lived among them now more then a thousand yeares agone, even vnderunder the Emperour Iustian, about the yeare of Christ 530. Hee then relateth it thus. That there was a people called Ostrogothes, & another tearmed Vese-Gothes, dwelling not far each from other, & the one of thē in ancient time descended from the other. The Ostro-Gothes had formerly received the faith, but being beaten and pitifully killed by the Hunnes, a rude nation and not heard of before, breaking in vponupon them, the Uese-Gothes then frighted by the example of their neighbours, least the Hunnes should over-run them also, agreed to flie vntounto the Romanes for aide; and the more to perswade Valens to releeue them, they being infidels formerly, desired him to send some teachers among them, which might instruct them in the Christian saith. Valens sendeth them Arrian preachers, who taught them heretically to beleeue in Christ. These Uese Gothes thus converted, being outragiously abused by some of the Emperours people, tooke vp weapons against the Romanes; which when Valens vnderstoode, he goeth with an army against them. Loosing the field he flieth, and being glad to betake him to a Cotage, he was so pursued by those Gothes, that they set the house on fire, and burnt both it, and him in it. By the iudgement of God saith xIbidem.Iornandes, that he should be burnt with fire by them, whom seeking the true faith, he had turned aside to perfidiousnesse, and had writhed aside the fire of charity to the fire of hell. The Vese Gothes then being so great a nation, were by the Arrians first cōverted, or perverted to beleeue falsly on Christ. And this is plaine also by Orosius, albeit he vse the name Gothes in general, and without any distinction. The Gothes saith yOros. li. 7. 33.he had by their legates humbly intreated, that Bishops might be sent vntounto them, by whom they might learne the rule of the Christian Faith. Valent the Emperour with deadlie pravity did send teachers of the Arrian sect. The Gothes held the instruction of the first faith which they receaved. Ualens had before the rule of the Catholike faith; but leaving it, hee did intangle himselfe vvith the perverse opinion of the Arrians. Therefore by the iust iudgement of God they burned him alive, who by reason of him, when they are deade, are to burne by the fault of their errour. And that is the truth your owne conscience D. H…st telleth you, which is manifest by the mincing of your words, the greatest part of those Gothes were Catholike Christians before. Not all, but the greatest part. Therefore some, which is in truth the whole Nation of the Uese Gothes, were first cōverted to Christianity by Arrian Heretikes. And so your owne Proposition that Heretikes cannot convert Infidels, is made voide by your owne example. Nowe wheras you say, that such turning is not to make the converted better thē they were before, we must confesse that if you speake of such as be Heretikes indeede, and not those whom you onelyonly call Heretikes, being Gods good servants, that the gaine thē is but this, that formerly they knew not Christ at all, and now they know him in some sort, although it be not so rightly as they should. If this bee to bee accounted but a little, then your Indian Converts of whom you boast, gaine but a little by you, for you mingle to their handes the doctrine of the Gospell, with many pollutions of vile Idolatry, & most horrible superstition, like to that of the olde Heathens.

T. HILL.

FOR that they having indeede the Scripture in some sorte, yet have not the true sence thereof, which properly is the sword of the spirite, and the wordes are rather the scabard in which the svvord is sheathed. And therefore they fighting onelyonly with the scabard vvithout the sword, cannot wound the heartes of Infidels, And no marveile though they perverte Catholikes, for that men are proue to liberty, and to loosenesse of life, vvhichwhich by such doctrine is permitted. So that they are indeede most aptely by Saint Augustine likened vntounto Partridges which gather togither Libr: 13: cótr: Faust▪ cap. 12.young…ones which they begot not: whereas contrarywise the Holy Church is a most fertle Dove which continually bringeth forth new Pigeons.

G. ABBOT.

22 HEretiks you say have the Scripturs in some sort. Certainly many of them have the wordes without any difference frō the Orthodoxe. For whereas many of thē sprūg vp in the Greeke Church, they had for the Old Testament the Septuagint in Greeke, & the Newe Testament word for word, in that language wherein it was writen. But they want the sence thereof, which is the sword of the Spirit: for the wordes are but the scabard, and the scabard cannot wound the hartes of the Infidels. What mischiefe with the letter of the text, and their owne perverse interpretation. Heretikes may do to thē, who were formerly vnbeleevers, may bee gathered by that of the Arrians last named, by the Pelagians, by the Donatistes and many other. But those have not the true sence. What is that to vsus, vnlesse you can prove that we also want it, which M. zRation. ….Campian in kindnesse would threape vponupon vsus. There is not in the world, any fit meanes to come to the right sence of Scripture, which our men doe not frequēt. They seeke into the Original tonges, wherin the booke of God was writen. They conferre translations of all sortes: they lay one text with another, & expound the harder by that which is lesse difficult: they compare circumstances of Antecedents and Consequents: they looke to the Analogy of of faith prescribed in the Creede of the Apostles. They search what the first Councels did establish: they seeke what was the opiniōs of the Fathers concerning textes in question, and refuse not therein to cope with you about the highest points, as the Primacy of your Pope, Transubstantiation or any other vvhatsoever. Yea they looke over the interpretations of your vvriters, to knovve if anie thinge there occurre vvorthy observation: they conferre one learned man vvith another: they praye to the blessed. Trinitie to open and lighten their vnderstanding, and in a vvorde they omitte no meanes, vvhichwhich either Saint aDe doctr: Chriist l. 3: 4Augustine or anie other good writer, doth or can prescribe vntounto them. Only heere they lay a strawe, that they are not perswaded, that the Bishop of Rome hath all knowledge & iudgment so in bVide Platin, in Paulo: 22Scrinio Pectoris, that by his finall sentence all may be resolved, no not that he with the cBellar. de veth. Dei li. 3. 3.Councell which he shall like to call, is the only determiner of the true meaning of al controversed passages. The Poes all of them are men, and therefore may be deceived; many of them are ignorant men, in comparison of any great Clerk-ship, and many of them hauehave entertained vnsound opinions, as Liberius and Honorius, and divers Councels hauehave grosly erred, as that second Synode of Nice, and therefore blame vsus not, if we pinne not our salvation, vponupon such weake or partiall mens interpretations.

23 When you report that Heretiks pervert Catholiks, by your owne second Reason before handled, you must meane Papistes by your Catholikes, or no body, and then you are a right good Proctor to speake in their cause. Their matter was bad enough before, and in the telling you make it worse. Your Catholike men (for your words can touch no other) are prōe you say to liberty and loosenesse of life. Would you hauehave a fee for this pleading? We do not doubt but many of thē are very licentious, great breakers of the Sabaoth, swearers and blasphemers, and much inclined to other viciousnes, whereof if a man would see the spectacle of all spectacles, let him but goe to Rome. And who would forbeare this lasciviousnes, when a pardon from a Pope, and absolution from a Priest, can make all as cleere as it had never beene? But we on the other side teach our people, that these your peccatill… doe offend Almighty God, and that they, yea every dMat. 12. 36idle word must be reckoned for, and our Church discipline doth bring notorious transgressours to the censure of excommunication, and open pennance for their crimes. They who hauehave turned vntounto vsus, are some of the best and gravest of your sect, and those which bee most vertuous of life, wheras contrarywise, many such as among vsus hauehave beene wanton & toyish people, or deeply touched with suspition of lubricity, hauehave bin observed to retire thēselues to your shores, as being the fittest harbour for such rotten vessels. It were an easie thing to name many, who leading liues as they do, a mā rightly may say of them, They are fit to be Papists. We doe not envy you such persons, although we could wish that even such would come to the truth, and not amende their former vice with future idolatry. But while you receiue such, as hauehave had education otherwise, (howsoever it hath beene neglected by them) you are rather the Partridges, of whom Saint Austen by remembrāce of the words of the Prophet eIer. 17. 11.Ieremy doth speak, such Partridges as gather the young which you brought not forth, as your Seminaries doe declare. But God be praised for it, some of them doe serue you, as Saint fHe…mer. lib. 63.Ambrose reporteth that the Partridge is served. For whereas one Partridge doth steale away the egges of another Partridge, and hacheth them, if the opinion of that learned Authour be true, divers of the gEpist. lib. 7. 48.young being hatched, when they afterward heate the voice of their owne and naturall dams in the field, leaue their step-mother, and come againe to her, to whom by original right they belonged. So many of your infection after true grace imparted from aboue, doe returne from your Seminaries, and adioine themselues sincerely and laboriously to the Church of England. They are bound to blesse God who delivereth them in such sort, even as hIon. 2. 10.Ionah was freed out of the whales belly. They are come out, not of the Doue-house, which fertilely bringeth forth Pigeons, but from Babylon, where iIs. 13. 21.Z… and O… be, and Ostriches & Dragons. For as the old bee there, so are the most part of the young. Malicorvimal… …vum. A bad crow, a bad egge. And now telling you, that a great part of this your fourth Reason, is taken out of M. Bristowes fiue and twentith Motiue, I let you go play you, though but for a turne or two.

24 BVt to come to the Reader, whereas here the tearme of Heretikes is so oft vsed against vsus, we briefly aunswere with Saint Gregory, kMoral. lib. 10. 16 ex Exod. 8. 26.That is service vntounto God, which to the Egyptians was …nation. And whereas among so many other foolish ones, that is made a reason, why the Popish religion should be truth, saving M. Doctours vnpointed and vncō cluding discourse, what can there by sound argument bee enforced therevpon? What shalbe the ground that must be stood on? For cannot Heretikes pervert? The Apostles hauehave told vsus, that their l2 Tim. 2. 17words fret as a Canker, that mCap. 3. 6.they creepe into houses, yea that n2. Pet. 2. 2.many shall follow their da…able waies. And you heard before what the Arrians did, Or is it not vntounto truth? Why, as touching this disputation, that is the maine question betweene the Romanists & vsus. And to build vponupon that, is but Petiti… prin…: to se…ke to hauehave that graunted, which is mainely and especially denied. We do not yeeld that any of them, winning their Converts to the subiection of the Papacy, do bring them to Christ; but rather to Antichrist. Or is it a necessary cōcomitant of verity in doctrine, that such as hauehave … among them, should be bound to convert Nations to the faith? Thē to say nothing of the Iewish Church, which had the word appropriated to it alone, for so long a time, what shall we thinke of France and England and Ireland, and many other provinces of Europe, which for a thousand yeares togither, are not knowne to hauehave converted any one countrey to Christ: but hauehave had enough, and perhaps too much to do, to keep thē selues in the integrity of piety. And yet our Pseudo-Catholiks make no doubt, but that al that while they had the right beliefe. These things do manifest the ficklenesse and vnstaiednes of th… foundatiō he… laid. But if to tur… men to Christ be so necessary … duety, what wil they say to such a strange bringing home, of so many kingdomes and regions of Europe, within these hūdred yeares, and that by a few at first, and those weake ones, when Sathan, and the Bishop of Rome, and many potent Princes confederated with him, did leaue no meanes vnsought, to stifle Truth as in the cradle? When the sword hath not beene spared, the fire hath not beene forborne: when their mighty men hauehave stroue, their learned men hauehave written; there hauehave beene wanting no libels, no slanders, no defamations, yea no rebellion and treason, and massacting and poysonfull attempts, and yet neverthelesse Truth standeth vpright. You talke of conversion: but all the lovers and wel-willers of the whore of Babylon, may and do stand amazed, and gaze & wonder at the ruine of their kingdome, by so many millions going from them. And we trust in Iesus Christ, the conserver of the faithfull, that in peace, in warre, in al things that can come, this Arke of Noe shall swimme in safety: floate, being beaten vponupon with many billowes, but yet evermore bee preserved. God hath not in his mercy given so much light, that it should be extinguished, or the glory of it much dimmed before his sonnes appearance, With the breath of his month hee hath …. Thess. 2. …:ken and blasted that man of sinne, and it now remaineth, that he should be vtterly abolished at Christes comming. Gaze therfore you Romanists till your eies and heartes doe ake, to see the …ine and confusion of the Gospell; and yet as wee trust in Almighty God, you shall never hauehave your purpose.

Doctor Hills Reasons for Upholding of Papistry Unmasked, Dialogue 4

THE FOVRTH REASON. Conversion of Countreyes.