Doctor Hills Reasons for Upholding of Papistry Unmasked, Dialogue 2

Doctor Hills Reasons for Upholding of Papistry Unmasked · Dialogue 2

p. 71THE SECOND REASON. The name of Catholikes.

T. HILL.

NO man can iustly deny, but that they who have ever holden the name of Catholikes, and have bin knowne thereby, were vndoubtedly of true Religion, for that they had ever on their side, the Scriptures, Miracles, Fathers, Councels & Martyrs, and for that every one which was against them was ever accounted & reputed for an Heretike. And the same Catholik… were ever taken as the trunke, or as the body of the tree, and all others bearing the name of Christians, as branches or boughes cut of the same tree. Now all the world knoweth, that whoseever in any age vvas a member of the Romane Church, and vnderunder the obedience of the high Bishop thereof, hee was ever taken for a Catholike & so tearmed, although in these our daies it hath pleased the Protestants to call such by the name of Papists, which indeede is all one with the name Catholikes; for that it signifieth such as follow and embrace the doctrine of that Church which hath for her head vnderunder Christ the Pope. And it is not amisse, as Chrysostome saith, to be named of them vvho governe the Homil. 33. in Acta.Church in Christes steede, so that they take not their name of any particular man as Heretikes d…e.

p. 72G. ABBOT.

BY this little which is already passed, every man may conceiue, that Master Doctor Hill is desirous to write a booke; (for I dare not saye, make one, for feare of slaundering him) and resolving that the ground of all his …ong should bee taken from Master Bristowes Motives, he coulde not vvell for very shame beginne as Bristow beganne, least at the very entraunce into this his renouned labour, he should be deprehended, to take vp the most part of his ware on trust. Vsing therefore in the front some little simple cunning to goe farther of, he with some change borrowed the matter of his first Chapter aaBrist. 37 & 45. Motive.out of the 37. and 45. Motiue of the other: but not willing to trouble himselfe any more in that painefull sorte to seeke farre of, his fingers present… …itched to bee doing with somewhat neerer hand; and therefore for the slender substance of his second Reason, hee goeth fairely and readily to the bbC…. 1. &. 3.first and thirde Chapter of his good Maister Bristow, and scambling somewhat of his owne in, from those two hee patcheth vp all the …est. Hee hoped that the former being not so much disguised as trans-placed shoulde hauehave covered all which followed: and if that at the first had beene clenly caryed, all which commeth after, woulde hauehave beene the safer vnderunder the protect…on thereof. There is or hath beene some what in the world, which thinketh all well if the heade of it selfe bee hid, although the whole body doe lye out to bee seene. If you knowe not what that is, … imagine it to bee Caligula the Emperour, vvho albeit in great thunder and lightning, as ccSueton in Caligula 51Suetonius reporteth, he would wholy runne vnderunder his bedde for feare, yet if it vvere but a little clappe or flash, he would winke with his eies, and hide his head alone, and then he thought all his body out of perill: But for this borrower vponupon Interest, his body lyeth open to vsus searching for it: and the head, although both winking and hooded, hath not beene hid. And now take vsus with you, I pray you.

p. 732 Every wise one can deny and that most iustly, that such as hauehave desired to ingrosse the name of Catholikes, appropriating it to themselues, and yet hauehave taken no farther care, but titularly to be are it, as … r…, as M…ns … no… …, cannot rightly make challendge to retaine & possesse the Orthodoxe faith; but that the Divine Scriptures, true and approved Miracles, authen…icall Fathers, O…cumenicall Councels, and Christes Martyrs may be as su…e from such counterfeites, as light is from darkenesse; and men shall not bee Heretikes, but God… good servants, who vponupon sufficient ground do stand against them. The true Church is indeed… the Lordes Vine, the tree of his delight, a more precious plant then anye was in Paradise, but those who beare ddApoc. 3▪ 1.Rev 3:1a … to liue & yet are deade, as it was said to the Angel of the Church of Sardis, are to bee accounted no better, then dead boughes or rotten braunches, vntill they see their owne errour and there-vponupon repent. And all the vvorlde knovveth (that vve may vse your phrase, which you borrow of Master eeAppendix to the quodlibets in the margent.Parsons, or of the F…ench … le mon…) that hovvsoever in times past, vvhile Rome kept the Apostolike faith, a man v…ted to the same profession mighte bee called a Catholike, not because simplye and absolutely hee applyed himselfe to the men of Rome, but by reason that …ointelye and together vvith them, hee accepted the Beleefe of the Vniversall Church; yet nov… one conforming himselfe to the practise of that Cittie, to the Decrees of the Popes, to the Canons of the Tridentine Councell, doeth me… to bee tearmed a Cacolike, an Heretike, an enemy to the Church, an adversarie of CHRIST, a vassall of Antichrist. But vve… are contented to giuegive them a milder appellation, of Romanistes and Papistes, or in L…in Pontifi…ij, because they fetch their Dictates and Oracles from Rome, and more respect the voice of their Pope, then the voice of Almightie God; they not sparing to thrust that miserable man into Christs place, and to make him not so much a ministerial, a… … monstrous head of their vn-Catholike Congregation. And since the name of Papists doth so please the, that in the former Chapter they …ssume it, and in this Chapter they … it, giving reason vvhy they shoulde hauehave it, as beeing all one vvith p. 74their pretended Catholikes, wee will not envy it them, but vvith good liberty they may take it. Neither shall they neede to trouble themselues so farre, as to cite Saint Chrysostome for the ratifying of it. His words are these▪ ffHomil. 33 in Acta.But if we wil also hauehave the … of any man, it is not as from the beginners of heresies, but as from those who are rulers …ver vsus, & do govern… the Church. The reason of which speech in that reverend Father, I cannot hastily gesse at, since wee finde not, that in or before his time, the Christians were called by the name of any of the Rulers over the Church, not Petrians no… Paulians, nor any such name. Only his owne adversaries tearmed thē, who did sticke close vntounto him, ggSo…omen lib. 8. 21.I…ita, his proper name being Ioannes, and the appellation of … beeing afterwarde given vntounto him, as a Cog… for his eloquence. In which respect it is probable, that for the defence of himselfe, and those which followed him in the truth, he did vse the words before cited.

T. HILL.

BVt yet the Catholikes are not called Papists, but only of a few Lutherans in Germany, and of some other their adherentes in other countrey… …ere about: for in Greece, Asia, Afrike, and in the In…s, as i… Italy, Spaine, Sicily and in other countreyes of Europe, the … of Papists i… v…terly vnknowne. The name therefore of Papists is … vsed but only of a few, and never heard of before Luther …, for that hee coul… not call them after the proper name of any one man, because there was nev…r any such in the Church, which …ther brought vp any new doctrine, or changed the Religion of his Predecessours.

G. ABBOT.

IF you would, you might quickly know, that names are given for distinction sake, & whē those persons to whom the names belong, are to bee distinguished from a generall sort, they hauehave names more generall: but when from a speciall comprehended in their own generall, they are to hauehave appellations more special. p. 75In Greece if a man had beene disposed to put a difference betweene one that was learned, and the vulgar vnlearned people, it had been a good note of distinction to say, he is a Philosopher. But when the question grew betweene several Sects & their opinions, then for more particular difference, it was not enough to say that Diogenes was a Philosopher, but he was a Cynick: such a one was an Epicurean, another a Peripa…eticke, this an Academike, that a Platonicke. In some sence it is enough to say, that in the yeare 1588, her Maiesty of England had against the Spaniard a campe of so many thousand English, resolute mē, religious, and well appointed: but when there is question of particulars in that campe, then the Oxford-sheere men had those Captaines, the Wilt-shire men these, and their colours were several. So if in India or Asia, the opposition must be betweene the Infidels or Mahumetans on the one side, and the servants of Christ, of what sort soever they be, on the other side, it is enough to say in generall, thus or thus do the Christians: But if there be occasion to particularize any thing, then the Christians in Spaine, or those in Germany are thus and thus affected. VVhen speech is of the doctrine of Mahomet opposed to Christianity, the name Mahumetane will comprehend the Persian and his subiects, the Turke and his vassals, the kings of Argier, Tunis and Marocco, and all that are vnderunder them. But when we talke of the difference in Mahomets profession, betweene the Turke and the Persian, vvhichwhich hath on either party cost much bloud, we say the Persian thus holdeth: the Turke beleeveth thus. Wheresoever in Christendome there is disagreemēt in Religiō, some holding for the Pope and some other against him, there the name Papist is frequent: & this is not only in Germany, but God be praysed for it, in Norway, and Sweden, and Denmarke, in Polonia, in Fraunce, England, Scotland, the Low Countryes, & whersoever else the Gospell is knowne either openly or secretly. Yea in Italy, Spaine and Sicily not only the name of Papistes, but the whole doctrine of Popery woulde quickely come in question, were it not for your bloudy Inquisition, or cruell massacring otherwise, of such as bend not that way. And yet they be not able to extirpate Gods truth. As for the Greekes they louelove you not, neither like of your p. 76Religion; and Asia, Africa and the Indies knowe very little of our differences in Profession, vnlesse it bee by the Christians themselves, and that onelyonly heere and there, as at Aleppo peradventure or some other Marte towne; except you vvill name a fewe creekes or corners of Africa, and the East Indies, where the Portingales have incroched, or those partes of the VVest Indies, where the Spaniards have devoured vp, almost all the olde inhabitants, and planted themselues: and to aske of these Portingales and Spaniards whether they bee ought but Catholikes, is not to aske a mans felow, but to aske a mans selfe, whether he be a theefe or no? But surely the Infidels, or Turkes, or Greekes do neither call you nor know you by that name. And if Luther were the first who gave you that title of Papiste, which pleaseth you so much, you are behoulding to him for fitting you so right: not that you might not lustly have bin so called before. But hee having occasion to display your impiety to the full, and God inableing him with learning and knowledge, as also with spirit and wit for that purpose, hee gave you a name most sutable to your nature, which is the truest vse of appellations and names. It very well agreeth with you: for if Christians be those who harken vntounto Christ, and are directed by him, you may well be Papists, who depend on the onelyonly voice and direction of the Pope.

T. HILL.

WHereas …, Heretikes have …ver take their names of some one who began that Havesy, as the Nestorians of Nestorius, the Pelagius of Pelagius, Lutherans of Luther, Calvinists of Calvin, &c. And although Luther tearmed them Papistes, yet knevve hee so vvell in his conscience, that they ever had beene and ought to bee called Catholikes, as that he caused his followers to change their Creede in saying: I beleeve the Christian Church, and not I beleeve the Gatholike …. Mo. 1.Church: for feare least they should be thought to confesse that they beleaved in the Church of Rome, which ever was called Catholike. And is seemeth that the Protestants know in their …vvne consciences the name of Heretikes to bee so proper to themselves, as that in their translations of the Bible, vvhere the name Heretike occurreth, they put in place p. 77of is, a man that is the author of Sects, assuring themselves that the Reader finding the worde Heretike or Heresie, would presently iudge it to be meant of them.

G. ABBOT.

4. THat Luther & Calvin were Heretikes, you Pseudo-Catholikes may say, but you shal never be able to prove it. They taught Gods truth, and if ever any would have shewed them out of the Scripture, that they had erred, such was their mind, they would have reformed it. As for the name of Lutherans & Calvinists, to be desired or embraced by vsus, we vtterly disclaime it; not that wee are ashamed to bee of the same faith which these worthy servants of God did teach, touching the foundation of Religion; but because we take our name from the Sonne of God, of whom wee are called hhAct. 11. 26.Acts 11:26Christians. This is the name wherein all of vsus doe reioyce, at all times and in all places, without any exception or circumstance of dependance: but the appellation of Lutherans, and Calvinists, or Zuinglians, or any such like, you in your hatred towards vsus do set vponupon vsus. And by your rule of Chrysostome before mentioned, they might without impiety be received of vsus in some sence, since Zuinglius and Luther and Calvine, had a great stroke in the governement of those particular Churches where they-lived, and were much honoured of the Congregations which were neere vntounto them. As for the Nestorians, we at knowledge that they had their title of the Hererike Nestorius, and the Pelagians of Pelagius, yea if you will also, the Marcionites of Marcion, the Arrians of Arius, according to that of Chrysostome: iiHomil 33. in Acta.Are vvee cut from the Church? have vvee Captaine. Heretikes? have vvee our name from men? have wee any leader, as Marcion is to one, and Manicheus to another, and Arius to a third, & to a fourth another beginner of Heresie? But whereas you give down a general rule, that Heretikes have ever takē their names of some one who began that Heresy, we pittie you much & fairely demiūde of you, frō what one did the kkAugust. de Haeres ad Quod vultd.Euchitae, the Quartidecimiani, the Patri…passiani, yea the Anabaptists take their name? you should have said that a great many had their appellation frō the auctor p. 78of their sect, but not all. And therefore put this also among your ignorances.

5 That Luther should be afraide of the word Catholike, so without reason vsurped by you, or arrogated to your selues, is a conceit very childish. He who dreaded not to encounter your Popes triple Crowne, to baite his Buls, to batter his Purgatory, to lay siege to Babylon it selfe, was never so white-liverd, as to feare the Moone shining in the water. Therefore when you shall cite v… some authentical warrant, that he changed I beleeue the Catholike Church, into I beleeue the Christian Church, we will giuegive credite vntounto you. But when you bring vsus Master Bristow in the first of his Motiues, and he giveth vsus no testimony of his speech, neither quoteth any place for it, we thinke that we may safely returne it to the shop, in which it was first forged. Notwithstanding we obserue the manner of your proceeding, you Papistes taking vp things by tradition, or one from another, without ground, to deface any man of rare note among vsus. You in your margent quote Bristow, and there vponupon I turning to the place in him, finde the same accusation, but no place or tract specified, only Luther is put in the margent and nothing else. Your late fabler vponupon llQuinti Evangelij. cap. 1.Nullus & N…, serveth vsus in this sort, saving that he ascribeth that to vsus all, which his fellows limit onelyonly to Luther. Being to speak of the Article in the Creede, I beleeve the holy Catholike Church, the Communion of Saints, he sub-ioyneth thervpon, This Article all the Pretestants in generall, as farre as in them is, doe oppugne. First because they have thrust out of the Creede, the word (Catholike,) & in steede thereof hauehave put the word (Christian,) as is Catholikes were no Christians. This did Luther in the Creede in Dutch, because the word Catholike is a sta… in the … of the Protestantes. It is worth the marking, that first hee chargeth vsus all with it, secondly the instaunce is given in Luther alone, and thirdly no proofe is made of that, no not so much as out of Giffords Calvino-Turcismus, out of which being as slaunderous a worke as his owne, this excellent Authour doeth most commonly take his confirmations. Thus if one Papist will bee so wicked, as to devise something which was never spoken, or to pervert that to ill purpose which was well spoken, his fellowes will presently applaude it as a truth, and publish it one after another, p. 79as if it were as certaine as the Gospell. Now for this of Luther, if there had beene any such matter, which but in probability could hauehave beene fastened vponupon him, would that sweete fellow Cochleus who pursueth him step by step, hauehave forgotten it? Or would he not aswell hauehave remembred him for the Creede, as he did for the Pater-Noster, although that also was but the seeking of a knot in a rush. For it is a complaint made by mmAn. 1522. in actis Lutheri.Cochleus against Luther, that in his translation of the New Testament, he did not keepe the set words of the Lordes prayer formerly vsed, but for Pater noster quies in coelis, he put it, Noster pater in coelo, and for, Sanctificetur nomen tuum, he translated it as if it were, tuum nomen sit sanctum, & yet you must vnderstand that it was into Dutch that he turned it, and not into Latin, where in all likelyhoode it was as a great fault to put Noster before Pater, as it is in English to say Our Father, and not rather Father ours, or Father of vsus. Doe you not want matter of waight to obiect, when you spende your times in such frivolous exceptions? And even of this sort is the next stout reason which followeth. For as Luther was afraide of the worde Catholike, so are wee of Heretike, that is to say, never a whit: for we know that there be Heretikes, as Arrians, Anabaptists and many more: and that the Romanists are as great in Heresie as any, in as much as they vary from truth in many, & those capitall and very dangerous pointes. But if you had not trusted your maister Bristow, from whom you hauehave nnMotiv. 2.stolne this, but looked your selfe into our bookes, you should hauehave seene that Master Beza had translated that foreign of Saint Paul to ooTit. 3. 10.Titus 3:10Titus, hareticu… hominem; and so Tremelius out of the Syriake, A viro haretico. And the ordinary English hath it, even as the Rhemists put it, without varying a title in the whole verse, A mā that is an heretike after the first and second admonition avoide, & another English, Reiect him that is an heretike after once or twise admonition. And I thinke it be not to be found, but where foreign is in the Greeke, we put it ppAct. 24. 14. 1. Cor. 11. 19. Gal. 5. 20. 2. Pet. 2. 1.Acts 24:141 Cor 11:19Gal 5:202 Pet 2:1heresie. And if at any time there hath beene put for an heretike, an author of sectes, it hath beene to no other purpose, but to expresse the nature of the word, & to make it plaine to the people, what is meant by an heretike, that is an inventor or a follower of some strange sector opinion in Religion, p. 80to which peculiar vse, the Ecclesiastical writers hauehave applyed foreign and foreign from a more generall vnderstanding amongst all the olde Grecians. Here it may be noted once againe, that you Papists make no conscience, in charging vsus with any thing whatsoever, that maketh for your purpose. For if it bee in our bookes as cleere as the Sunne to the contrary, yet your people must not looke into our writings, so to disproue your falshoode: that is inhibited vntounto them. Whereby it appeareth, that you not only do your best, to send your ghostly children to hell; but the glory of it is, they must goe thither blindfolded. At this b…ck you now hauehave them.

T. HILL.

AS for their owne name, vvhereby they tearme themselues Protestantes, (which name they take from certaine Lutherans in Germany, who first named themselues so, differing and dis-agreeing altogither from the Protestants in doctrine) it is newe, and never hearde of before in the world, and of the same quality and condition, that the name, Zwinglians, is of. And therefore I conclude with the saying of Saint Hierome. If any where thou heare them, which are said to be of Christ, to be Advers. Lucif. Chryso. in Act Hom. 33. & Iust. in Tryph.tearmed not of our Lord Iesus Christ, but of some other, as Marcionites, Valentinians, Hil-brethren, or Field-brethren, bee thou sure, that they are not the Church of Christ, but the Synagogue of Antichrist.

G. ABBOT.

I tolde you before, that absolutely we challendge no name but Christians, which is full out as ancient as the time of the qqAct. 11 26.Acts 11:26Apostles; but Zwinglians you in your malice tearme vsus, as also Protestants with a contempt. Yet this latter appellation was not begunne by you, but arose vponupon an accident at Spires in Germany. There in a rrAn. 1529.Diet the Duke Electour of Saxony, the Marques of Brandeburge, the Lantgraue and some other Princes, and Citties of the Empire, did make solemnely in writing a ssSleidan. Hist lib. 6.Protestation against a …ecree or Edict, made in preiudice of the reformed Religion▪ p. 81wherevpon for distinction sake, in cōmon speech the name of Protestants, which is the Prosters, was given vntounto thē. By your former rule this cannot be an evill name, since it is not taken frō any man, or from the author of a sect, but it arose from an action, there first thought necessary to be done with those circūstances: Whence it may be no marveile, if that title arising from that action, were never heard of in that meaning before. And since that time, those who are ready to vse the like Protestation vponupon the like cause, or doe approue of that their wise and Christian course there, do not refuse to be called as they were, in some sense, not simply; for some respects, not absolutely; but most of all for difference sake from you, against whō the Protestation is to be made. Yea and custome having so prevailed, we do in writing & speaking promiscuously vse the word Protestants, as we do Religiosi, or Reformata Religionis homines, or Evāgelici, not boasting in these titles, as you doe to be called Papists, but only admitting of thē for customes sake, & to make a distinction between vsus & you, both tearming our selues Christians. Now that we altogither disagree in doctrine frō the Protestants in Germany, is not so much ignorāce in you to avouch, as malice. For you know & sēsibly feele it, that we right-wel agree with thē & they with vsus, in displaying of Antichrist, his Indulgēces, his Pilgrimages, his Orders of Religiōs, in oppugning the Tridentine Councell which is the new-erected Capitol of Popery, in that excellēt Article of Iustificatiō by faith only, and in breefe in all matters of moment, saving the point of Consubstantiation in the Eucharist, which yet also thousands in Germany doe deny, and whereof I shal hauehave occasion to speake farther ssRation. ….afterward. But the hatred which you do equally beare, vn to thē & vntounto vsus for the same respects, doth shew that we ioine in serving the same Christ, & discovering the same Antichrist. Your cōclusiō thē which you draw out of S. Hierome, maketh nothing against vsus; nether doth ought that you intimate out of In. Martyr or Chrysost. They speake of heretiks who take both their name & doctrine frō men alone, & nothing at all from God: whereas first we are Patients and not Agentes, when the name of any man is set vponupon vsus, & this is not by our selues delighted in. And secondlye our doctrine is not from any creature, but onlye from Iesus p. 82Christ and his word, to whom we cleave and sticke as to a rocke, and regard none who bringeth any thinge contrarie therevnto. And so for this boute I leave D. Hill; putting him notwithstanding in minde, that he is so studious a sectatour, and so faithfull a scholer of M Bristow, that without varying a letter he citeth the place of Hierome, word for word as his maister doth, when Montenses and Campitas, might for his credit sake, and to have had a little variety, beene as well translated Hill-men, or Field-persons, as after that sorte that he doth put them. But there Hierome, as it is most probable, alludeth to the Montanists, whom with a kinde of ierke he calleth not Montanists, but Montenses, & for their loose life rather Campitas, as being fitter to tumble in the fields, then to shew themselves on the mountaines, which also is collected by a learned ttMarius Victor. in Annotat. super Hieronim.man vponupon that place.

7 HOwsoever some other simple flourishes are here made by M. Doctor, yet the substance of his second Reason is this; that the Romanists are called the Catholikes, therfore they are the true Church; which Argument is no better then a very vaine & ridiculous thing. For who doth not know that evil persons have good names, as … Adoni-z…dek the king of Hierusalem, … Ios. 10. 1.Josh 10:1who was an Idolater & a Tyrāt, had a name signifying the Lord of iustice, or the iustice of the Lord, & one who was a grievous persecutour of the Christians, was tearmed … Theotec…, the child of God. … Euseb. Eccl Histor. 9. 9.And as it fell out, that Hierusalem which once was xxIsai. 1. 21.Isa 1:21the faithfull cittie, afterward became an harlot: so it commeth too oft to passe, that such as whose Auncesters have had a good name; & that not vndeservedly, do thēselves decline from the vertue of their predecessors, & yet wil strive for the name still. Beth-el in yy…. Reg. 12. 32.Ieroboams time was vnwilling to parte with the name of Beth-el, the house of God; but it rather deserved to be called Beth-aven, the house of vanity. The Priests & Levites, as may be gathered by the consequēce of the text in Malachy, & by the Lords answere there, did beare themselves bolde, that they were Gods Priests, and other there were none; they were of the seede of Levi, which Tribe the Lord had separated to be his chosen inheritance, they were the onelyonly Levites: but heare what God said to it; … But … are gone out of the p. 83… Malach. …. 8.way: yee have caused many to fall by the lawe: yee have broken the covenant of Levi, saith the Lord of hostes. Hee reputed that but a painted sheath with a woodden weapon in it. How did the aaIoh. 8. 39.John 8:39Iewes boast that they were Abrahams seede, Israelites, sonnes of Iuda, the … nant of the posterity of the Patriarkes? but Christ telleth them, If yee were Abrahams children, yee would doe the workes of Abraham. Our Saviour in the Revelatiō doth meete with such marchants, who being in truth of the Synagogue bbApoc. 3. 9.Rev 3:9of Satā, did call thēselves Iewes and were not, but did lye. And among the Christians there have bin men desirous of names, which were not fit for thē, or else the Apostle would not have said, cc1. Cor. 5. 11,1 Cor 5:11If any that is called a brother, bee a fornicatour, or covetous, or an Idolater, or a railer, or a drūkard, or an extortioner, with such a one eate not. The name of a brother in Christianity is much: as presupposing to have God a father to him, who is indeede the father of all the faithfull: & yet there bee brethren in name, who are farre inough from God & goodnes. ddHist Eccl. 3. 18.Eccl 3:18Evil names, as we find in Theodoret, being set on good men do nothing obscure them; The Christians were not hurte, when Iulian in a scorne to our Saviour Iesus, alwaies tearmed them Galileans: and if Socrates, saith Theodoret, had beene called Critias, or Pythagoras Phalaris, or faire Nireus foule Thersites, it had nothing impayred their true reputatiō. So it is in applying good titles to bad persons: they are not for the same in any more estimatiō, with such as be of vnderstāding. Whē theeves by a common phrase are tearmed good-fellows, & light huswives are called honest women, neither the one nor the other are the honester for that nominatiō. Those who are ordinarily called by the name of Iesuits, do little that may savor of the spi rit of Iesus; vnles to seduce youth, to inveigle & beguile the wealthy, to play al trickes of Machiavel, to cōspire the death of Princes, to plot how to set kingdomes in cōbustiō, & cūningly to sow secret discord & sedition, be the imitatiō of our blessed Redeemer; which no man but one inspired by the Devil may acknowledge. What mā of learning is ignorāt, that the Saracens are descended frō Hagar, & from her sonne Ismael, and therefore should be called properly Hagarens or Ismalites, as the eePsal. 83. 6. 1. Chr. …. ….Ps 83:6Scripture doth warrāt. And yet as it was observed by Sozomen, more thē a thousād yeeres agone, to the end that they may avoid the imputatiō p. 84of bastardy by Ismael, and of basenes by Hagar, who was but a bond-woman, they take ffSozom. Eccl. Hist. 6. 38.to thē the name of Saracens, as if they were derived from Sara the right wife of Abraham. Neither can there ought bee saide, why the Romanists should bee the true Church, because they are called Catholikes, but the same may be said for these Mahumetās, why they should be the sons of the free womā, & not of the bond. For the name is most ancient, and they are every where knowne by it, & if Saracēs be but spoken, ech-one that hath ever heard of thē, vnderstādeth that they and they alone, are meāt by it, & in Asia & Europe & Africa, yea in America also, this by custome rūneth currāt without cōtrolemēt, & yet wee know that it is neither so nor so. I might adde more exā ples, as of those who are cōmōly, not only in Englād but in other parts of Europe, called Aegyptiaus, and yet neither they nor their fore-fathers ever came neere to Aegypt.

8: Our Seminary men therefore doe seede their followers', but with draffe & huskes in steed of corne, whē they lay before them such meate as this is: & they who live by such diet are not fedde but corrupted & poisoned by it. Let matters be wel wayed, and there is nothing farther frō Catholicisme thē Popery is. For shall wetake the word as it signifieth? The foreign, is Vniversally or generally, Augustin. lib. 3. contra …audēt.and foreign doth import vniversal, and so the Catholike Church in our Creede, or else-where, doth signify the Church vniversally diffused. That of the Romanists may not truly be reported to be so. For as the Congregations in Asia, & those vnderunder Prester-Iohn do no way admit therof, so those of Greece with many thousands in Europe, do not cōsort with it, & yet are Christians too, howsoever the Pope doth repudiate thē as Schismatiks, because they wil not kisse his feete. How the Vniversal should in this case be so limited, as to extēd no farther then one Particular, our Logicke cānot find. ggContra haeres. c. 3.Vincēti… Lir…s doth define that to be Catholike, which is beleeved every where, at all times, and of all. The Papists cannot truly avere that this agreeth to their Profession. Or shal we take Catholike in that sence as our Iesuits seeme to take it, when they (as the secular hhSparing Discoveri… of English Iesuites.Priests report of them) would appropriate the faith Catholike to the temporall government of the king Catholike, as if it vvere a principle that al of tha… Beleefe, must for their bodies bee vnderunder his Regiment, as for p. 85their soules vnderunder the Roman Bishop; yet they wil not be in the right; since many of our English Recusants make the worlde beleeve, that they have no great minde to beare a Spanish yoke, howsoever some other secretly Hispaniolized, & little lesse then dis-Englished, or traitorified by the Iesuits, do earnestly but most foolishly and vnadvisedly thrist after it. But a great number also in France & Italy, & other Popish parts of Christendome, would for themselves forbid those banes. Or must we expound Catholike for Orthodoxe & true, in which meaning that of Saint Austen may be; The Christiā faith iiDe moribus Eccles. Cathol. lib. 1. 18.is not any where but in the Catholike discipline or instruction; & vntounto which sence, vse & ordinary custome hath now brought the word? Even so they are most farre from it. For while they strive about the name, they have lost the thing: they keepe the shel, but have parted with the kernel: while they lay hould on the Candle-sticke, some other is runne away with the light. Their case is like that of the kings souldiours of kkSocrat. l. 7. 20.Persia, who keeping the name of foreign, or Immortales, were wel proved to be otherwise, whē by the Roman armies they were distressed, slaine, & shewed to be mortal. Let thē lay aside these verbal & titulary gloses, & make plaine out of the Scripture, that they maintaine the same faith, which Christ and his Apostles taught, & then they do somewhat. But they are fallen from it, yea from the sound profession, which was in the daies of the Fathers & Doctors of the Primitive Church, & therfore that which was true of their times, is not communicable now to Popery. No not that of Saint Austen, whervpon they have a maine desire to fastē, The llDe vera Religione. cap 7.Christian Religiō is to be held by vsus, & the cōmunion of that Church which is Catholike, and is named Catholike not onelyonly of her owne friends, but also of all her enimies. For wil or nil the very Heretikes, & favourers of schismes, when they speake not with their owne but with strangers, they cal the Catholik church nothing els but the Catholike church. For they cannot be vnderstood, vnlesse they distinguish her by that name, wherby she is called of al the world. This was spoken of the whole nū ber of Christians in the world, which embraced the right faith, not of the Romane Church onelyonly. And those who nowe are devoted vntounto Rome, doe as much differ from the puritie and integrity of their olde predecessours, as Babylon doth differ from p. 86Sion. Then in oppositiō to Heretikes, which were but in corners and fewe places, the faith which either Rome or any right Christian citty helde, might be called Catholike; but nowe that which the Pope maintaineth, may it selfe bee reckoned no better then Hereticall perfidiousnes, which the farther it is spred, the worse it is with Gods flocke.

9 To set them therfore straight, by bringing thē from such vizards & painted shewes to the matter, it is not any name wherevnto men are directed, for finding out the truth, but mmIoh. 5. 39.John 5:39Search the Scriptures, saith Christ, for in them you thinke to have eternall life, and they are they which testifie of mee. And as they testifie of Christ, so do they also of his Spouse, as we find in diverse of the ancient Fathers. Cyprian saith, nnDe Lapsis.Hee is not ioyned to the Church, vvho is separated frō the Gospell. He who beareth the name of Origene on the Canticles; ooHomil. 3.A good purpose, and the beleeving of right opinions, doth make a soul to be in the house of the Church. But S^t. Chrysostome or the Auctor of the Imperfect worke vponupon S^t. Matthew, doth yet speake more plainely: ppHomil. 49.He who will know what is (or which is) the true Church of Christ, whēce should he know it but only by the Scriptures? The Lord therfore knowing that in the last daies there vvould bee so great confusion of things, doth therfore command, that the Christians which are in Christianity, being willing to receive the firmenes of a true faith, should flie to no other thing but to the Scriptures. Otherwise if they looke to other things, they shall be scandalized and perish, not vnderstanding vvhichwhich is the true Church. By which our Romanists may see, that it is not a naked name, nor any other matter of all that vncertaine rabble, which the writer of this Pamphlet heereafter subioyneth, that can bee our direction, which is the Church, or where is the truth, but only the holy Scriptures. And as Chrysostome hath, qqHomil. 33. in Act.If any agree to thē, he is a Christian: if any fight against them hee is farre from this rule. The word of the Lord is the sure foundation, & he who buildeth on any thing besides this, setteth his house but vponupon the rrMat. 7. 26.Matt 7:26sand, and while he thinketh that he standeth for the Faith, and for the Church, he is enemie to both; as those were to whom Leo sometimes Bishop of Rome wrote thus. ssLeo Epist. 83 ad Episcopos Palestinos.you thinke that you deale for the faith, and you goe against the faith. You are armed in the name of the Church, and you fight aganist the Church. Let him who will farther p. 87be satisfied in this point, reade what a learned man hath written vponupon this Argument, that ssIoh. Rainold. Thes. 5.The Church of Rome is neither the Catholiks Church, nor a sound member of the Catholike Church; and if he bee not obdurate, hee shall never neede to doubt farther in that behalfe. ttIn praefat. De triplici hominis officio.UUeston a most vaine-glorious, but shalowe fellow, at Doway, hath vaunted that if he had leysure, he would beate that servant of God to dust. I feare he wil never have leysure to grapple with him, vnlesse it be heere and there to skulke out at some hole or corner, and runne backe againe, I meane heere and there snatch a saying of his falsely alleaged, & vnconscionably perverted, as already he hath done. But if hee bee the man that hee pretendeth to bee, and I may request any thing of him, let him first begin directly to answere the Thesis before named, and we shall by his cariage therein, iudge what is his true strength. I woulde have VVeston fall about this worke, for it is of too high a pitch for my good Doctour Hill.