Rejoinder to Bristows Reply, Part 2 · Book 7 · Chapter 7
CAP: VII.
Sander.
Master Iewell hath not disputed well, touching the omnipotencie of Christ, in promising the gift of … flesh.
Harding.
Christ, by shewing his diuine power, wherby he will ascend into heauen, confoundeth the vnbeliefe of the Capernaites, touching the promised substance of his bodie.
Iewell.
When ye see Christ ascend whole, ye shall see, that he giueth not his bodie in such sort, as you imagine. His grace is not wasted by morsels, saith S. Augustine, vsus…g Christs ascension to proue, that there is no su… grosse presence in the Sacrament.
Sander.
He is not present to be wasted, but yet he is really eaten.
Fulke.
S. Augustines place sheweth, that Christe reasoned not of his omnipotencie or diuine power, but of the absence of his humanitie by his ascension, and that the thing which he promiseth to be eaten, is not his naturall flesh to be bitten in their mouthes, but his grace to be receiued by faith in their hearts.
Iewell.
This table is the table for Eagles, & not for Iayes, saith Chrysostome.
Sander.
I hauehave answered your iangling of Iayes in my 2. booke. Cap. 27.
Fulke.
And I hauehave confuted your babling of Eagles in the same place.
Iewell.
Saint Hierome saith, Let vsus goe vp with the Lorde (into heauen) into that great parlour, and receiue of him aboue, the cuppe of the newe testament.
Sander.
He saith not into heauen, but into the great parlour, which is the kingdome of the Church.
Fulke.
But by the greate parlour, into which Christ is ascended, he meaneth heauen, where the kingdome of the Church is, and not the earth, where the Church is a stranger: the worde heauen is added in Master Iewel for explication, and not as parte of Ieromes wordes.
Sander.
Chrysostome interpreteth, the parlour for the Church, in Matth. Hom. 38.
Fulke.
Chrysostome was no interpreter of Ierome. In allegories, eueryevery man hath his owne inuention.
Sander.
Christ giueth his bodie and bloude, hee is the feastmaker and the feast, he gaue that Moses coulde not giuegive.
Fulke.
All is perfourmed in the great parlour, which is heauen. Wee must receiue of him aboue the cuppe of the new testament.
Iewell.
Cyrillus saith: Our Sacrament auoucheth not the eating of a man, leauing the mindes of the faithfull in vngodly manner to grosse or fleshly cogitations.
Sander.
Cyrillus against Nestorius, denyeth the Sacrament to be the eating of a bare man, not assumpted into God. I hauehave spoken more, lib. 2. Cap. 25.
Fulke.
Cyrillus denieth the Sacrament to be foreign the eating of a man, and not onelyonly the eating of such a man, as Nestorius blasphemed Christ to be, See lib. 2. Cap. 25.
Sander.
Cyril saith, that Christ setteth before vsus the assumpted flesh of the sonne man.
Fulke.
Yea, but not in the Sacrament only, but as it was eaten of the fathers. Ad Theod. de rect. fide.
Sander.
He saith moreouer, the worde is not able to be eaten. What, M. Iewel? not by faith? yes verily, but not by mouth, but according to the dispēsatiō of ye vniō.
Fulke.
God the word is not able to be eaten by faith, but in respect of the dispensatiue vnion. Cyril speaketh not of eating by mouth: for the properties of both natures remaine to be seen of vsus by innumerable reasons, as it followeth immediatly. Graunt eating of his fleshe by mouth, and the propertie of the humane nature is cleane ouerthrowen. Your charging of master Iewel with the blasphemies of Nestorius deserueth none aunswere.
Iewell.
The olde fathers, Chrysostome, Augustine, Leo, acknowledge Gods omnipotencie in baptisme, yet is not Christ really there. Therfore it was vaine labour to alleage his omnipotencie for the reall presence.
Sander.
Baptisme hath no promise to be the flesh of Christ, therfore you hauehave lost your labour.
Fulke.
Baptisme hath promise to wash vsus in ye bloud of Christ, to incorporate vsus into Christ, to make vsus partakers of his death, buriall, & resurrection, Rom. 6. and yet no reall presence required, no, not of the holy ghost, otherwise than by effectuall grace, working our regeneration and newe birth. Yea, Christ doth wash vsus in baptisme. Ep. 5.